Most DURABLE 5.56 suppressor?

[Rubber_Duck]

MrM4,

What makes you say SureFire suppressors are junk? Yes they are ezpensive, maybe even overpriced, but are they really junk? Or is that just your opinion because you don't like them?

 

[MrM4]

They are junk because I can put a Gemtech or an AAC beside them on the exact same host gun and the Surefire is louder to the ear, that and the ugly welds that make them look like they are a 9th grade shop project.

I hold nothing against the people at surefire, God knows they have gotten alot of dollars from me over the year for awsome quality lights but silencers is not something they are great at. IMHO / YMMV.

 

[devilstalker]

They are junk because I can put a Gemtech or an AAC beside them on the exact same host gun and the Surefire is louder to the ear, that and the ugly welds that make them look like they are a 9th grade shop project.

Interesting. I will keep that in mind. My bigger concern would be weapon report at the muzzle, there is suppose to be a test at silencer forums of the SF can on 556 soon, and they already have the M42K tested, if the muzzle numbers are gapped by a decent amount, I will probably go with the M42K. If they are similar or the SF can is the same at the muzzle, I will likely go with the SF can. I can justify the logic that NOT ONE PERSON has had anything bad to say about the M42K to believe that POI shift is just as minimal and repeatable as the SF can to get one if it is noticeably quieter than the SF can, but if they test the same then I will spend the xtra coin on the SF can... I have heard people say bad things about them, but not in the areas of performance that top my list, and I know some people with combat xp on the SF cans that say they are awesome, which is a huge + for the SF can.

 

[Al Thompson]

Don't get to wrapped up in the decibel reduction numbers. If it's a dis-interested or neutral tester, that's better, but hearing one in person and off to the side is much better.

 

[MrM4]

I to am awaiting the results of the guys at Silencer Forums, if your convinced the SF is going to do what want then go for it. But I would also suggest no buying into the testing results to much, I spent the money on John Titsworths site and while it has alot of info there are some parts of their testing that has been discredited across the forums as bias. The best thing you can do for sound is to shoot them side by side and more importantly step away and listen to someone else shoot them side by side. As for the POI changes I can not give a informed answer as to which is best but SRT is known for having small POI shifts.

 

[devilstalker]

The best thing you can do for sound is to shoot them side by side and more importantly step away and listen to someone else shoot them side by side. As for the POI changes I can not give a informed answer as to which is best but SRT is known for having small POI shifts.

I completely agree, and the reason I have stepped back and considered the M42K is b/c a lot of people, including you, say they have heard both back to back and the M42K is quieter, noticeably. I dont get too wrapped up in db reduction, but if durabillity and POI shift are equal in two cans, I want the quieter one. Since I dont have the option to get both and compare, I have to go off of what others that have shot or heard both back to back say. I KNOW the SF can will have practically no zero shift if the mount is attached properly to the host, that is huge... but I cannot find ONE person say a negative towards the M42K in terms of POI shift, all have said it is equal to the SF can in terms of POI shift, and a lot of people have said it is noticeably quieter as well...

 

[devilstalker]

Ok...
So after a lot of looking into this whole POI shift thing, I have come to the conclusion that POI shift is WAY to variable specific to pin on a silencer. It seems that whatever POI shift I am going to get on my host gun from the SF can is about the same as what I will get from the AAC can... it does NOT seem that if I get .5 MOA of shift down on the SF can on my host gun that I would then get 4 MOA shift down and 2 MOA left with the AAC, right? Whatever shift I get will MOSTLY depend on non silencer specific variables related to my host gun and ammo used, along with the proper mount job of the attachment medium for the can itself... meaning the POI shift from one can will be negligable if not the same as with the other can, AND BOTH cans offer complete repeatability in that shift, whatever the shift may be... right?

Having said this, if it all is the case, I think I am going to go with the M4-2000 and the Breakout flash hider attachment to help out with saving the blast baffle some wear on my 10.5" sbr. I will wait for the test of the SF can hopefully coming soon b4 I purchase, but from what I hear, regardless of db readings, the M42K has a more pleasant and quieter tone than the SF can, so if POI shift really has little to do with the can itself, at least when comparing these two quality cans, then I see no reason to pay the xtra coin on the SF can... especially when I cannot find ONE person to say anything negative about the M42K.

Would someone mind telling me if what I am saying here makes sense, and if so is it an accurate assessment? Im starting to see double... I love shopping for stuff like this, but the amount of homework I have done on this particular purchase has given me a headache...

Thanks for everything, all of you.

 

[jbharned]

There is no bad choice between the two and your looking at it correctly. POI shift depends on many factors like host barrel, taper,length, mount used,weight and length of can,etc. The M4-2000 will serve you well and is a very good unit.

 

[Rubber_Duck]

I have heard that the SureFire cans do lock up tighter on the mount than the AAC cans but regardless what you are saying about factors that affect POI shift is true. I did some research as well regarding POI shift with suppressors and there are things that the suppressor manufacturer doesn't have control over regarding POI shift, such as concentricity of the barrel threads and proper mount installation. I would expect using a quality barrel should give you no problems and give you a very small and consistent POI shift with any suppressor and mount combo.

 

[Zak Smith]

Suppressor issues aside, POI shift is primarily a function of barrel stiffness vs. suppressor weight.

 

[devilstalker]

Settled, I will go with the M42K, gonna get the break attachment instead of the fh to save the baffles in the can from the tyranny of my 10.5" sbr.

Thanks for everything guys, I will post follow up as to how it does in training and ops after it comes in.