Muddy Mini-14

[briansmithwins]

I want to do another test involving getting a Mini-14 dirty, this time with mud. Since a lot of the issues from the Mini-14 dust test were 'it's a old Mini, test a new one' and 'the AR had it's door shut when dusted' I'd like to get feedback as to what constitutes a 'fair' test.

What I'm thinking of doing is run 5 rounds thru each rifle, then coat in mud, fire 5 rounds, recoat with mud, fire 5 rounds, recoat, until 30 rounds have been fired.

Test stops when the rifle has its first malfunction or 30 rounds has been fired.

Rifles I'd like to test are a 580 series Mini-14, an AR15*, a SCAR, a FS2000, and a AK, to serve as a control.

BSW

*I was thinking to do the first run on the AR will be with the ejection port door shut, then each run after that be with the door open.

Link to the original dust test: http://youtu.be/WcfqZFWpk9s

 

[taliv]

if you want to make the rifle look good, coat the outside in mud and it will fire fine

if you want to make it fail, take a loaded magazine, stick it in the mud and then load and fire it

 

[briansmithwins]

The Mini went down pretty much immediately when coated (on the outside) with dust.

I'm not expecting it to do much better with mud, but that's why I actually want to go out and do the test. I wasn't expecting the Mini in the dust test to have FTEx when greased, but it did. Sometimes data does not correspond to the original hypothesis.

BSW

 

[jim243]

I want to do another test involving getting a Mini-14 dirty, this time with mud.

Why?? Are you writing and article on this, taking pictures, have a bunch of money you want to waste, or is someone paying you to do this?

I really am curious as to why you feel you need to do this.

Jim

 

[moxie]

I did learn from the earlier test that flour sifters should be regulated and taxed. They are dangerous.

Other than that invaluable piece of info I am hard pressed to glean any other data with even a paucity of heuristic value, whatsoever, at all.

 

[briansmithwins]

It's fun?

I get to shoot and see what happens when rifles get dirtier than I'm ever likely to get them otherwise?

It's nice to know how far tools can be pushed?

BSW

 

[BSA1]

30 rounds isn't much of a push.

 

[carbine85]

Given the fact that the Mini 14 was never really intended to be used that way or as a heavy combat weapon the test doesn't really achieve much. The Mini is an excellent weapon for what it's intended use is.

 

[1KPerDay]

I for one am looking forward to the test. Be sure to demonstrate a mag through each rifle first to show they're working properly.

And IMO you should hose the rifle off with water (after it stops working, assuming it does) and see if that gets it running again.

 

[1KPerDay]

Oh, be sure to use identical lube on all of the rifles.

 

[breakingcontact]

Given the fact that the Mini 14 was never really intended to be used that way or as a heavy combat weapon the test doesn't really achieve much. The Mini is an excellent weapon for what it's intended use is.

Agreed. Mini is a cool little gun, but it's not an AK-47.

 

[Welding Rod]

Sounds fun to me. Please post results.

 

[M1key]

The last video got a good response. I am looking forward to this one...

M

 

[ID-shooting]

Sorry, last test pure digested and expelled food matter. Any moron that expected not to fail deserves what would happen. Do that again, then do a simple dunk and rinse. Bet your results are different.

 

[adelbridge]

I am certain the life of the rifle will be shortened.

 

[Fremmer]

What about the ham sandwich test? I saw a video of an AK ham sandwich test on here before.....

 

[Sun Tzu warrior]

Brainsmith; The thing is, I see this as a boondoogle, and offensive to human nature, and natures God! In the event that a foreign power should come to this land, and try to dis-arm the fine folks, here in america, would you have the folks which do not have unlimited funds to buy an AR 15 with piston or a Steyr AUG to lay thier weapons down, and leave the fight up to those of you who are much superior, and better equipt?
As I posted during your first "test" Americans are superior when it comes to ingenuity! Remember, I reminded you, how our boys overcame, what the experts said, would be our downfall in the sands of Iraq, this concerning internal combustion engines. The cure, accomplished by simply wraping womens panty hose around their intake filters!
I have been testing some simple solutions this adverse condition. using small girls tights and some velcro, and am having good results, when finished I will post some can-do positives for Mini 14 owners, as opposed to " give up the fight and your guns, you can't stop the dreaded Brainsmiths with their flour sifters full of dirt" like the "Borg" "Resistance is futile, you will be assemilated" He double candle sticks with that noise, a large part of the human experience is, that we will overcome, all adversity to ensure our safety, liberty, and tranquillity! Just ask George Washington, to mention but one! To whom ever I can reach here, at this moment....... The Mini 14 is exactly what the likes of Dianne Fienstein, Et al., fears the most, and rightly so! Affordable, functional, 300 yard, minute of tyrant, liberty teeth!
Never loose sight of the fact that the action employed in the Mini14, is tried and true, in actual war conditions.... WW2, Korean (so-called) war, and the beginings of the police action otherwise know as the "Vietnam war" With nobody (Germans, Japanese, North Koreans or Vietnamese) sifting "coatings of dirt" on our soldiers while they fought valiantly!


PS, Taliv great observation!

 

[briansmithwins]

Oh, be sure to use identical lube on all of the rifles.

Nope, can't do that.

If I use CLP on all the rifles then people will complain that the Mini should have been greased and that I could 'have buried the rifle for two weeks and it would have worked if greased'.

If I grease the Mini others will complain that 'The owners manual says to use oil. It would have worked fine oiled.'

The Mini is getting at least two runs, once greased, once oiled.

Given the fact that the Mini 14 was never really intended to be used that way or as a heavy combat weapon the test doesn't really achieve much. The Mini is an excellent weapon for what it's intended use is.

What is the Mini's intended use? Being transported to a sunny range in a case, shoot a box of ammo, then home and cleaned? Not, say, being tossed behind the seat of a pickup tha's driven in dusty conditions for a month? Not being stuck on a ATV being ridden in the mud?

BSW

 

[goon]

I'm inclined to agree. If the damn thing won't work in a somewhat neglected condition, it's not much good.
Who wants a rifle that only works on sunny days at the range? I'd be really disappointed if I owned a Mini that didn't work in realistic conditions.

 

[Sun Tzu warrior]

Goon? "Somewhat"?!!!

 

[buckstrucks]

Oh god this video is back. That MINI is broken. Fails to run when greased. Get that rifle fixed or grab another before running another test. If you are unable to do this I will copy this test with my rifle to show how a properly running mini will do.

 

[briansmithwins]

Oh god this video is back. That MINI is broken. Fails to run when greased. Get that rifle fixed or grab another before running another test. If you are unable to do this I will copy this test with my rifle to show how a properly running mini will do.

Bold for the reading impaired:

I want to do another test involving getting a Mini-14 dirty, this time with mud. Since a lot of the issues from the Mini-14 dust test were 'it's a old Mini, test a new one' and 'the AR had it's door shut when dusted' I'd like to get feedback as to what constitutes a 'fair' test.

What I'm thinking of doing is run 5 rounds thru each rifle, then coat in mud, fire 5 rounds, recoat with mud, fire 5 rounds, recoat, until 30 rounds have been fired.

Test stops when the rifle has its first malfunction or 30 rounds has been fired.

Rifles I'd like to test are a 580 series Mini-14, an AR15*, a SCAR, a FS2000, and a AK, to serve as a control.

BSW

 

[buckstrucks]

Are you in Cali or NV? I am willing to help out and offer up an Saiga AK, and a New well worn Mini.

 

[fmj50]

Where is the first video ?

 

[briansmithwins]

I live in the Portland, Oregon area but I'm currently in Europe, so any testing is going to have to wait at least a month until I get back.

Original test here: http://youtu.be/WcfqZFWpk9s

BSW