Muzzleloading Overkill.
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A shot deer with "too much damage" still supplies more venison than one you didn't shoot or missed. I hunt with nothing but patched round ball, mostly a .45, but have also used a .62 with patched ball. I know what happens when a deer is hit but do occasionally see results a little bit surprising.
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Eagle's need to eat too
Once used my 375 Weatherby with a controlled expansion 270gr Barnes. At the 80yard distance- The Buck collapsed at the Head on chest shot and was like a crushed tin can, Was Dead before it hit the ground. Bullet Never exited.
Guys at camp called it “Overkill” and I called it a Exceptional way not to have my Deer run, get shot by others with lower power cartridges.
Was it overkill? Don’t really care- yet a few Tons of energy connected like a Bolt of lightning. It did the job to the best of any requirements. I Use a 375win mostly now (few hundred fps less)
This is why I use a Double barrel .58 Muzzleloader.
Ethical and Effective with a fast second shot to keep any tracking to a minimum.
Guys at camp called it “Overkill” and I called it a Exceptional way not to have my Deer run, get shot by others with lower power cartridges.
Was it overkill? Don’t really care- yet a few Tons of energy connected like a Bolt of lightning. It did the job to the best of any requirements. I Use a 375win mostly now (few hundred fps less)
This is why I use a Double barrel .58 Muzzleloader.
Ethical and Effective with a fast second shot to keep any tracking to a minimum.
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I shot a yearling doe with a 58 ball over 75 grains of 1.5F OE at about 70 yards. In many ways, this was a perfect broadside shot on a quartering away animal. The ball went right through the heart, cause damage to the lungs, exited through the front quarter and the animal made it 20 yards or less with a blood trail that wasn't hard to follow through the waist high grass. There was little left of the heart except framing for the hole, in fact. However, when I skinned it I was amazed at the amount of bloodshot meat on the torso. Not what I expected of a round ball that likely wasn't doing a whole lot more than 1250 FPS or so out of the muzzle.
Maybe it was just that the doe was small, but I lost a lot more meat than I would have guessed with a round ball. I may choose to use a 50 cal with PRB next time. Prior to this year, I had been using a 54 round ball with 110 grains of powder.
Maybe it was just that the doe was small, but I lost a lot more meat than I would have guessed with a round ball. I may choose to use a 50 cal with PRB next time. Prior to this year, I had been using a 54 round ball with 110 grains of powder.
Im perfectly capable of pushing my own goats off cliffs....can do it from farther away too.
Didnt find the bouncing to really change the texture much, but i know guys who didnt like it cause the felt it bruised the meat.
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Shanghai McCoy
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Maxim 37 states "There is no overkill..."
(Look it up)
(Look it up)
Maxim 37 states "There is no overkill..."
(Look it up)
? Ok , please elaborate on the subject your referencing
Shanghai McCoy
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There is a list of The 70 Maxims for successful mercenaries from,now defunct, web comic called Schlock Mercenary.
I first heard of it here on The High Road long ago.
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Neck is not meat for me unless it's cut off the bone and ground. A neck roast is a thing of the past in my book.
Since CWD started I haven't eaten any deer meat associated with the central nervous system. Loins and tenderloins are stripped out and no saw is used. Prions are real.
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I filet all the meat OFF those bones. Usually even a small deer will make two or three neck roast to fit in a crock pot. No bones or nerves any more than any other hunk of meat. One of the best parts far as I'm concerned.
I NEVER use a saw on any bone either. I agree 100% on prions but I've been doing them that way for decades before the prion problems became apparent.
Shoot 'em in the eye.
Not to get off topic……..
Yet instead of Starting new thread- a simple off shoot post then back on topic should be ok.
Bones, Saws. Please elaborate on your opinions here. I use a Saw to cut the Caped head off at the neck to Seperate carcass from head cape. I feel it prudent to share opinions of safety- even if opinions vary.
I generally take rear legs, Backstraps,front shoulders and lower neck… a tad.
I grind everything except the backstraps and that’s butterfly cut. I use a Saw on rare occasions to cut legs short and stock in the coolers. Bad idea?
When back at my place I’ll carve all meat off of bones, And wash-clean,silver skin…. grind, mix with pork shoulder.
Been doing it like this for a long time.
Yet instead of Starting new thread- a simple off shoot post then back on topic should be ok.
Bones, Saws. Please elaborate on your opinions here. I use a Saw to cut the Caped head off at the neck to Seperate carcass from head cape. I feel it prudent to share opinions of safety- even if opinions vary.
I generally take rear legs, Backstraps,front shoulders and lower neck… a tad.
I grind everything except the backstraps and that’s butterfly cut. I use a Saw on rare occasions to cut legs short and stock in the coolers. Bad idea?
When back at my place I’ll carve all meat off of bones, And wash-clean,silver skin…. grind, mix with pork shoulder.
Been doing it like this for a long time.
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Only the brain and spinal cord can contain the prions. When cutting off the skull plate just be sure you thoroughly clean the blade prior to sawing any other part.
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Hopefully this year I'll shoot a deer with the biggest round ball I've used, will be shot from my H&A allen underhammer with a 15ga barrel. I have .662 balls there Over a ounce I believe, loaded with 80 grain by volume of pyrodex rs. I can't remember the exact wading I used last year there being shot dry ball style. Think I had a leather wad to seal with a 1/2" thick fiber wad , ball then a few thin over shot cards.
I was shooting at 30ish yards and had a pretty respectable group even after finding out where it was hitting. Shots were hitting about 3-4" high and the last 3 shots were under 3" i only shot about 7 -8 since I only have 25 balls, all were I the paper plate tho. No idea of the velocity but anything over a once of lead should do fine.
I was shooting at 30ish yards and had a pretty respectable group even after finding out where it was hitting. Shots were hitting about 3-4" high and the last 3 shots were under 3" i only shot about 7 -8 since I only have 25 balls, all were I the paper plate tho. No idea of the velocity but anything over a once of lead should do fine.
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Almost blew Bambi’s head clean off.
In Illinois we have a hunter’s kill ritual where the fresh raw liver is carved out of the animal and a bite taken by the hunter and companions. This is a holdover from native indian practice if I recall.
I wish I was there to feast upon the engorged liver with you my brother, long live the hunt!
In Illinois we have a hunter’s kill ritual where the fresh raw liver is carved out of the animal and a bite taken by the hunter and companions. This is a holdover from native indian practice if I recall.
I wish I was there to feast upon the engorged liver with you my brother, long live the hunt!
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6-7 years ago I shot a doe with a sst from a 300 rum, I was waiting over a field and she popped up behind me. I shot behind the shoulder thinking I could save the shoulders, it literally pulled all the internals out the exit hole and meat was blood shot from the brisket to the hinequarters.
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The creepy 70's movie music in that makes me chuckle much more than it should every time
On utube there is a guy shooting a doe in the neck w a barret 50cal. I say that was over kill. But hey he didn’t have to track it. First deer I shoot. I unloaded 4 rounds of 00 buck into it. Ran 10 yards. Took the tractor out put it into the trailer and drove home.
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