Arizona_Mike
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my first and last DPMS
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Ibmikey
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I have a DPMS M4 dedicated .22LR, it is beautifully made and has gobbleed thousands of rounds over thr last couple of years. I heard DPMS was going to discontinue the .22 and I emailed with my concerns if the rifle failed down the road. I received a nice response froom CS and in essence they told me " if it breaks we will fix it". A few thousand rounds later it still looks and functions like new.
My DPMS LR 308 has has a couple of cases of South Africian ball ammo run through it and is still accurate as the devil. Soft shooting but quite heavy even with it's 16" barrel..never had a malfunction.
Contact customer service with your questions.
My DPMS LR 308 has has a couple of cases of South Africian ball ammo run through it and is still accurate as the devil. Soft shooting but quite heavy even with it's 16" barrel..never had a malfunction.
Contact customer service with your questions.
Saleen322
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About 15-20 years ago I saw a stainless steel lower made by DPMS. I bought it to make a service match rifle. Everything fit up well but the magazines would not drop free at first. In the magazine well was just a bit of a burr. I am sure DPMS would have fixed it but about 10 seconds with a file and it was perfect. I still have the rifle and it still is a tack driver. I would not hesitate to buy another DPMS product.
If DPMS isn't satisfactory then perhaps a Colt? Of course, a buyer now won't be afforded the chance to own one made in the era just prior to the .Gov giving the contract to FN - because the Colt rifles weren't passing inspection and had some significant issues.
I can remember opening the shipping box of a new Government FN and it was a beaut. There was a reason Colt lost the contract - and seeing some competition for it, they fixed their mistakes and moved on.
If we have one of the few examples that seem to pop up from any makers inventory as less than perfect, be advised, that NO maker is exempt from it and they can all fail. Case in point, I have a S&W 3Gen in .45ACP that has the annoying habit of chambering empty brass if I load it in the magazine. No other gun I have will do it, all the others will jam every time and let me know it's not a viable round. Only the Smith does it.
Goes to - sometimes its not really a problem. That rail and the PEPR mount? Picatinny rails and their accessories are supposed to be compatible, but not every time. We don't know which is at fault here - blaming one and not the other without a specific cause being found isn't empirical science, it's just an emotional assessment and placing blame for it. Like blaming Smith for chambering empty brass - couldn't I be the real cause of the problem?
Let's not forget that the gun is used and previously modified by others. And as for the magazines, it's a broad based issue that other makers have suffered - a lot. IIRC HK had that problem and it goes to two different specs floating around the world, which cause mags from one to not fit the other even tho on the surface they are both "M16." It's caused issues with Magpul and the Marine Corps about which specific ones they allow to be used in service. I don't doubt we share the belief that a "M16" mag should fit any M16 lower - but the reality is there is no guarantee. What happens is that the more successful mag maker goes undersized for the worst case situation - leaving the handloader with the shortest loaded length mag he may not care to use for his purposes.
Making broad brush comments over a makers reputation based on an anecdotal incident of one item in the hundreds of thousands in their product line basically tells me the owner has a limited and extremely short tolerance toward fabrication and assembly. It's actually NOT something you can buy with more money. I say that because if you were to purchase two watches both certified as chronometers by the Swiss, you could pay for a nice Rolex in an automatic movement or get a quartz for far less with half the allowable inaccuracy.
Just like the government was paying for a Colt but getting something twice as unreliable as an FN. Now add that in both sets of guns, you could find one in each that was better than all of the other Brand. And one that was the worst. We buy a gun and take it home - which one is it that I got? Me, one of the run of the mill ones in the middle, I hope. My feelings won't get hurt, nor will they get overinflated about how great they are and an unbelievable value.
I can remember opening the shipping box of a new Government FN and it was a beaut. There was a reason Colt lost the contract - and seeing some competition for it, they fixed their mistakes and moved on.
If we have one of the few examples that seem to pop up from any makers inventory as less than perfect, be advised, that NO maker is exempt from it and they can all fail. Case in point, I have a S&W 3Gen in .45ACP that has the annoying habit of chambering empty brass if I load it in the magazine. No other gun I have will do it, all the others will jam every time and let me know it's not a viable round. Only the Smith does it.
Goes to - sometimes its not really a problem. That rail and the PEPR mount? Picatinny rails and their accessories are supposed to be compatible, but not every time. We don't know which is at fault here - blaming one and not the other without a specific cause being found isn't empirical science, it's just an emotional assessment and placing blame for it. Like blaming Smith for chambering empty brass - couldn't I be the real cause of the problem?
Let's not forget that the gun is used and previously modified by others. And as for the magazines, it's a broad based issue that other makers have suffered - a lot. IIRC HK had that problem and it goes to two different specs floating around the world, which cause mags from one to not fit the other even tho on the surface they are both "M16." It's caused issues with Magpul and the Marine Corps about which specific ones they allow to be used in service. I don't doubt we share the belief that a "M16" mag should fit any M16 lower - but the reality is there is no guarantee. What happens is that the more successful mag maker goes undersized for the worst case situation - leaving the handloader with the shortest loaded length mag he may not care to use for his purposes.
Making broad brush comments over a makers reputation based on an anecdotal incident of one item in the hundreds of thousands in their product line basically tells me the owner has a limited and extremely short tolerance toward fabrication and assembly. It's actually NOT something you can buy with more money. I say that because if you were to purchase two watches both certified as chronometers by the Swiss, you could pay for a nice Rolex in an automatic movement or get a quartz for far less with half the allowable inaccuracy.
Just like the government was paying for a Colt but getting something twice as unreliable as an FN. Now add that in both sets of guns, you could find one in each that was better than all of the other Brand. And one that was the worst. We buy a gun and take it home - which one is it that I got? Me, one of the run of the mill ones in the middle, I hope. My feelings won't get hurt, nor will they get overinflated about how great they are and an unbelievable value.
Lloyd Smale
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yup you can get a bad gun from any manufacture. Ive got a number of ars in the safe. Some I made some ive bought. Funny thing is ive got a 600 dollar sportical I bought to have a light ar. Theres not a ar in the safe and very few bolt guns in there that will outshoot that sportical at a 100yards including heavy barreled ars and bolt guns and not a single sporter weight gun will outshoot it. . I don't think its ever missed a beat either.
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Any mass-manufactured product is going to have some lemons.
Now some of these companies/products have more lemons than others (*cough* Century). But the DPMS's I've seen all run fine. They're definitely a cheaper brand, but I wouldn't say they are duds.
Now some of these companies/products have more lemons than others (*cough* Century). But the DPMS's I've seen all run fine. They're definitely a cheaper brand, but I wouldn't say they are duds.
cdb1
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Looks like the OP has opted out of his thread.
Offering someone upset with a new purchase fifty cents on the dollar is just being a wise guy or a circling vulture. Maybe that works sometimes, but definitely not in my character makeup.
imashooter
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As I replied earlier, my DPMS Oracle has been a very good rifle. Less than 5 minutes from me is a gunsmith / ffl dealer. I have talked with him about DPMS products and he tells me he has never had one come back to him and he's sold several. And those who buy from him get the Davidson's lifetime warranty therefore they know if they ever have an issue they can take it back to him. Dozens of ARs in my rural community. I'd say the vast majority are DPMS and most of the others are self-assembled along with a few S&W, Ruger, and a Colt or two.
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It's not my character makeup to say something is worthless while it still holds value to me.
I have however removed items from others trash that had value to me.
Reminds me of a "mother" I was unfortunate enough to cross paths with in a store one time. Frustrated with a disobedient child, called him "worthless", I assumed she really didn't mean it but really hoped he wasn't paying attention to her at the same time.
I've bought a few guns that had issues right out of the box and brand new. While disappointing I've yet to have a company fail to make it right although some companies were a bit more responsive and faster to repair it and ship it back than others.
I've bought more guns that were used and had issues. As a result I buy very, very few used guns these days. Even then most companies did something for me and many times the store or guy I bought it from took it back, handled the repair without cost or made it up to me in some other way.
The OP posted once. I'm guessing that when the talk in the thread immediately turned to realistic solutions such as contacting DPMS to see what they could do for him as well as stating that DPMS had excellent customer service and that they'd probably repair it even though bubba had probably gotten ahold of it instead of turning into a dogpile of negativity towards DPMS that the OP wanted no part of his own thread.
If nothing else even if DPMS does nothing at all for him (doubtful, but possible) this thread could be a warning to others to say that there's a good possibility that any time a seller uses the terms 'custom' or 'tricked out' in the ad or when speaking and doesn't immediately mention a reputable gunsmith or well known company in the same paragraph or in the same breath that whatever was done to the gun was probably performed in their garage or at their kitchen table and that as a result that the quality of the work can wildly vary.
I've bought more guns that were used and had issues. As a result I buy very, very few used guns these days. Even then most companies did something for me and many times the store or guy I bought it from took it back, handled the repair without cost or made it up to me in some other way.
The OP posted once. I'm guessing that when the talk in the thread immediately turned to realistic solutions such as contacting DPMS to see what they could do for him as well as stating that DPMS had excellent customer service and that they'd probably repair it even though bubba had probably gotten ahold of it instead of turning into a dogpile of negativity towards DPMS that the OP wanted no part of his own thread.
If nothing else even if DPMS does nothing at all for him (doubtful, but possible) this thread could be a warning to others to say that there's a good possibility that any time a seller uses the terms 'custom' or 'tricked out' in the ad or when speaking and doesn't immediately mention a reputable gunsmith or well known company in the same paragraph or in the same breath that whatever was done to the gun was probably performed in their garage or at their kitchen table and that as a result that the quality of the work can wildly vary.
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Bwaaahahahahahahaaaaa!! Buddy, I can assure you the rifle did not hear the rant from the mean old OP. It's a material object that doesn't have emotion. Totally different from precious children. And dumpster diving? That can be a lot of fun.
No the rifles feelings are just fine. And that rifle still has monetary value. Just calling out predatory tactics.
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Never said they had feelings just that words matter.
It's pretty obvious that he wanted no help fixing anything, he just wanted to "get it out". There was no question on what to do or how to do it.
Now, I have been married far too long to try and suggest ways to fix problems when someone just wants to talk about the problem itself and not interested in resolving it. Logic has no place in a conversation about emotions.
So now if I act in a logical way (buying someone's problem from them), now I am a "predator"? Talk about letting feelings get in the way...
It's worth noting what we are talking about, you pulled from my post on "mentality" and at no point did the OP ever say he thought his rifle was worthless and never mentioned "trashing" or getting rid of the rifle. He simply said, "lesson learned" and I believe him.
It's pretty obvious that he wanted no help fixing anything, he just wanted to "get it out". There was no question on what to do or how to do it.
Now, I have been married far too long to try and suggest ways to fix problems when someone just wants to talk about the problem itself and not interested in resolving it. Logic has no place in a conversation about emotions.
So now if I act in a logical way (buying someone's problem from them), now I am a "predator"? Talk about letting feelings get in the way...
It's worth noting what we are talking about, you pulled from my post on "mentality" and at no point did the OP ever say he thought his rifle was worthless and never mentioned "trashing" or getting rid of the rifle. He simply said, "lesson learned" and I believe him.
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TexasPatriot.308
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the only "tricked out" parts were the hand guard with UTG rails and Ruger collapsible stock plus the fold up sights, my issues are with the magazine well and as of right now I have a live round chambered from my last nights hunt and I haven't had time to address the issue, last night I could not even eject the round by pulling the charging handle....it is jammed deluxe and I don't feel like messing with it at my house, maybe later today in the pasture, I will have to remove the bolt I'm sure....not happy at all, like I said the tricked out stuff was all external, nuthin to do with upper or lower.
I'd contact DPMS, as I had one small issue on one of their rifles and they offered to pay to have it shipped to and from plus the repair. I did not take them up on it, as it was a minor fix, but I felt they were more than fair.
BTW, the collapsible stock can impact functioning, especially if the previous owner messed it up.
BTW, the collapsible stock can impact functioning, especially if the previous owner messed it up.
Our local school district has a policy that if there is a complaint (ANY complaint) against a substitute teacher they fire them without notice or due process. The sub never gets a chance...
Same idea.
That is an issue as the DPMS sweet 16 comes with a fixed A2 rifle stock i believe, to switch the stock to another brand collaspable carbine stock I think your friend would on needed to replace the
1.Stock
2.buffer tube
3.buffer spring
4.buffer
5. castle nut
and the gun would of needed to be in a vise or someway of holding it to remove and replace the buffer tube as well as getting the buffer retainer and spring correct sounds like there is a high possibility you friend messed up this gun big time and with a live round stuck in it I would take it to a REAL gunsmith to
be gone over , If you send it back to DPMS make sure they know that the rifle is no longer a original factory built as the lower is altered and I would think with mismatched internal parts.
Sounds like you bought a damaged rifle as the mag well and rest of rifle could of been damaged in a vise depending on your friends level of gun smithing
can you give it back and get you money back ?
TexasPatriot.308
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I got round out, charging handle back and ejected round, going to gunsmith tomorrow...I am an old grunt and just don't see how a stock has anything to do with a round being chambered....and believe me years ago we had to do a lot of "engineering" in the field, sometimes under fire on our M16s.
cdb1
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The stock may not have anything to do with a round being chambered. Since the rifle is used there is no telling what might have been done to it by the previous owner that rendered the rifle unreliable.
Heck, it may even be unsafe to shoot. I'd definitely take it to a gunsmith. Is there anyway you can take it back?
Heck, it may even be unsafe to shoot. I'd definitely take it to a gunsmith. Is there anyway you can take it back?
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