NAACP Will Sue Over New Georgia Photo ID Law

[Headless Thompson Gunner]

I'd prefer the purple thumb thing to being required to show my papers every time I vote. But given the choice between fraud and Gov ID, I guess I'll go with the ID.

And why does it always seems to be the socialists who pull that "vote early, vote often" crap? It's always the lib wackos who complain about vote fraud ("Bush stole the election", "Bush cronies wouldn't allow blacks to vote", etc). Yet the same lib wackos complain whenever someone tries to prevent vote fraud. Huh?

 

[Brett Bellmore]

If they sued to require the state to open a DMV office in every county, they might actually help some of the people they claim to be defending; Is it ok to have to travel a great distance in order to get a driver's license, so long as you don't need it to vote?

 

[ctdonath]

I'll grudgingly agree with Voter ID. Our elections depend on establishing your civil right to vote, determining your jurisdiction, and ensuring you vote only once - and that it's YOU and not me voting under your name.

I'd love to go the purple-thumb route, except the jurisdiction limitation issue. People who knew there vote "wouldn't count" (say, NY state where D outvotes R 2-to-1 - what's the point of even showing up?) could hop in the car and go to a battleground jurisdiction and try to sway the vote there, even though they don't live there.

With ballots including races from coroner to president, and with so many wanting to "vote early, vote often", and considering that one already has to register to vote, I'll have to grudgingly support Voter ID.

That said, I prefer the NY identification method: your signature is recorded at registration, and compared when you show up at the booth - no cards, no nothing, just sign at the dotted line and let the little old lady see if it's similar enough.

Remember, of course, that any ID system can be circumvented.

 

[Standing Wolf]

There should not be a fee to vote.

There should be no fees to exercise one's Second Amendment civil rights, either.

 

[Lone_Gunman]

There should be no fees to exercise one's Second Amendment civil rights, either.

I agree, but with the exception that it should be up to the individual to buy their own firearm!

 

[kbr80]

There should not be a fee to vote.

I agree, but voting is for Citizens, its a privilege for Citizens. One should have to prove citizenship to vote. Also, showing ID is supposed to stop people who like to vote often.

 

[GT]

Headless:

And why does it always seems to be the socialists who pull that "vote early, vote often" crap? It's always the lib wackos who complain about vote fraud ("Bush stole the election", "Bush cronies wouldn't allow blacks to vote", etc). Yet the same lib wackos complain whenever someone tries to prevent vote fraud. Huh?

It's called "projection". It's basically "a defense mechanism by which your own traits and emotions are attributed to someone else".

The lefties know what they are doing but by yelling harder that it's the evil right wing it takes the spotlight off them.

And voting for the President is a privilege of citizenship not an enumerated right. So you should act accordingly, stand up straight, behave like a normal human being not a porch monkey and present yourself with some form of picture ID for crying out loud.

How hard is that?

Note:

Constitution:
Article. II.

Section. 1.

Clause 2: Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.

Amendment XII.

The Electors shall meet in their respective states, and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President...

G

 

[Lone_Gunman]

One should have to prove citizenship to vote.

I agree, and we have been doing that since voting began in the late 1700's.

You had to be a citizen to vote back then too. You proved you were a citizen by swearing you were a citizen. There was no picture ID in 1800. No birth certificates, no social security cards.

A man went to the poll, and affirmed that he was a citizen, and voted.

Why do we want to change that time honored system now?

 

[Desertdog]

Why do we want to change that time honored system now?

There are many more liars now than then.

 

[kbr80]

Why do we want to change that time honored system now?

Democrats

 

[CZ 75 BD]

Neal Boortz...

has an interesting theory about voting. There are too many people voting. His plan would assign votes per taxes paid. The more taxes you pay, the more votes you get. Don't pay taxes? Can't vote.
Neal Boortz

 

[Glock Glockler]

You proved you were a citizen by swearing you were a citizen

That doesnt prove anything, I can swear I am Jesus but I don't think many people would take me seriously unless I could document my claim.

Why do we want to change that time honored system now?

Good question. Take a look around and ask yourself if the govt is staying within it's confinded Constitutional duties as establish back then and compare to what we have now, maybe the old system is actually broken and our current political situation is the result.

Untimately, the "prove by swearing" bit just gives the advantage to whomever has the least problem lying and cheating to advance themselves politically.

 

[Lone_Gunman]

Our government has many problems, and has overstepped its bounds many times, and has not lived by the letter of the Constitution in a long long time, but I don't believe any of our government's current problems will be solved by making voters show a picture ID.

Do you?

If so, what?

 

[Sindawe]

Hmmmm...when can we can expect the NAACP to sue the State of Colorado over out voter ID law?

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Colorado's Voter ID Law

Before heading out to vote, don't forget to bring a valid form of identification (ID). The state law requires all voters to provide ID when they vote. Any form of ID from the following list is acceptable:
Colorado Driver's License


Colorado Department of Revenue ID card


U.S. Passport


Governmental Employee ID card with photograph


U.S. Military ID card with photograph


Medicare or Medicaid card


Certified copy of a U.S. Birth Certificate


Certified documentation of Naturalization


Pilot’s License


A copy of a current utility bill, bank statement, government check, paycheck or other government document that shows your name and address.
If the document you are bringing has an address, that address must be in the county where you are voting. If you come the polls without ID, you may vote using a provisional ballot. Provisional ballots are processed and counted after the election. If the Election Commission can verify that you were eligible to vote, your vote will be counted.

If you are voting by absentee ballot, you will need to provide a copy of your ID (from the above list) along with your ballot, only if you are a first-time voter who did not already provide ID at the time of registration. You should receive written instructions when you receive your ballot. If you do not submit required ID, your ballot will be processed as a provisional ballot

Source: http://www.denvergov.org/newsarticle.asp?id=8544#idlaw
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Granted, here in Colorado a copy of a utility bill or bang statement looks to suffice. :banghead:

 

[Lone_Gunman]

I can understand why a photo ID would be helpful in preventing voter fraud, and would be in favor of it as long as there are no requirements for getting the ID (ie, no fee, test, etc).

But why in the world would an electric bill be considered proof of who I am?

 

[Zundfolge]

They say the new Georgia law essentially requires many black people to pay a fee before voting.

What about poor white people?

Why the NAACP isn't considered the same as the KKK is beyond me

 

[Sindawe]

Why the NAACP isn't considered the same as the KKK is beyond me

It is really quite simple. Only white people are capable of racism. In other groups, it is "Ethnic Pride". :banghead:

 

[Didorian]

One problem that I've seen here in GA is the sheer # of illegals in this state....
Without an ID card, who knows how many illegals are voteing??

 

[Rockstar]

I'm not sure, but I believe there are provisions in the new voter i.d. law for free i.d.'s for those who either don't drive or can't afford to pay. I'll check it out. I'd be o.k. with no voter i.d., if the Democrats would be o.k. with making voter fraud a capital crime, with no appeal and excecution within one week of infraction.

Let's not thow out the poll tax red herring. Not even close to the same thing going on here. Let's just stop fraud at the polls.

 

[c_yeager]

IF the state provides a FREE I.D. then i dont have a problem with displaying it at the polls. If a person has to pay their own money then this is a defacto poll-tax, and is completely innapropriate.

Of course the larger issue is that the state should NOT be in a position to demand your "papers" in the first place.

 

[Glock Glockler]

Of course the larger issue is that the state should NOT be in a position to demand your "papers" in the first place

Uh, the state is not stopping you on the street demanding your papers, you are walking in to the voting place and demanding to vote, in which case they have every right to require that you document you are who you claim to be.

ut I don't believe any of our government's current problems will be solved by making voters show a picture ID.

Do you?

If so, what?

It's not very easy for me to get multiple official driver's licenses, it's a lot easier to vote early and vote often with nothing more than my word that I am who I say I am. With strict ID requirements I would not have people voting in my district who are not even citizens of this country. I also would not have so many people from Massachusetts voting in NH illegally if they had to give up their MA license to be destroyed, furnish proof of residency, and then get a NH driver's licence.

 

[jefnvk]

But why in the world would an electric bill be considered proof of who I am?

I've known it to be used to establish your residency, but never as identification. How easy would it be to nab your neighbors before it got to him, and use that?

 

[c_yeager]

Uh, the state is not stopping you on the street demanding your papers, you are walking in to the voting place and demanding to vote, in which case they have every right to require that you document you are who you claim to be.

No they are just requiring you to pay a fee to excersize a constitutional right. And frankly if you need papers to vote, you need papers to be an American.

 

[Henry Bowman]

And frankly if you need papers to vote, you need papers to be an American.

Very, very few Americans alive today lack at least a birth certificate (and a SSN).

So anyone, US citizen or not, here legally or not, age 18 or not, for that matter alive or not, should be allowed to vote? "I don't need no skinking papers. Count my vote!"

 

[Lone_Gunman]

It's not very easy for me to get multiple official driver's licenses,

Its very easy to get fake driver's licenses in GA. We see them fairly often amongst illegal aliens here.

The people at the polling place do not have any way of knowing if an ID is fake or not.

So how will this help?