NBC article about dangers of lead to people, specifically children, from shooting

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http://www.nbcnews.com/health/kids-health/lead-poisoning-hidden-danger-shooting-ranges-n237766

Here is a link to an NBC story about lead poisoning being a hidden danger at shooting ranges. Honestly I don't much about the issue other than the basics. Lead is dangerous. I shoot outside and wash up at the range before I leave. Wash up more at home. I don't eat bullets, etc, etc.

This article talks about danger in the headline but then really doesn't provide any examples except kids playing on berm with tonka trucks when the range is closed and they could get exposed.

Seems like a scare tactic to me to worry parent groups and such in an attempt to reduce entry into the sports.
 
It is NBC, of course it is a scare tactic. Certainly lead is a bigger concern at indoor ranges, the ventilation isn't as good. But even elevated lead levels from indoor ranges are well below toxic levels. And unless the children at the range are eating rounds out of the berm or the ammo box, their levels will be low too. Good hand washing techniques after handling ammo or components will go a long way, but that is too much common sense for NBC.
 
Seems like the claims are exaggerated. Lab tests can detect blood lead at levels far below levels which are actually dangerous. Most Americans had higher non-zero lead levels in the 50s and 60s due to leaded gasoline with no known negative effects at the low (but non-zero) levels.

The push for lead free ammo isn't about genuine environmental concerns, it's about driving up the cost of shooting and reducing the effectiveness of ammunition.
 
Most Americans had higher non-zero lead levels in the 50s and 60s due to leaded gasoline with no known negative effects at the low (but non-zero) levels.

We may be seeing the negative effects now. It takes a certain level of brain damage to fall for a lot of the stuff being reported. (like this story) :uhoh:
 
We may be seeing the negative effects now. It takes a certain level of brain damage to fall for a lot of the stuff being reported. (like this story) :uhoh:

Given the specific Americans falling for it, the wacky tobbacky is the more likely culprit.
 
Exposure does not equal poisoning. Even elevated levels are not necessarily poisoning. I'd love to see rates of health effects due to lead poisoning as opposed to the more easily measured but less-meaningful-in-actual-practice lead levels and their asociated inevitably-ever-increasing health risks (as asserted by researchers publishing studies that, oddly, always suggest lead is dangerous enough to warrant funding additional studies, no matter how limited or tenuous the exposure risk).

TCB
 
This smells of laying the groundwork for an outright ban on any and all ammo containing lead in any form. Besides the obvious projectiles, there are lead compounds in primers as well. But "it's for the 'chirrens'" so don't you dare be against it. :rolleyes:
 
Seattle Times article....

I'm the forum member who posted the topic about the Seattle Times series.
I didn't think it was - or biased.
They went in depth about the OSHA/labor issues & some of the health concerns re: lead/toxins/pollution.
I didn't see the NBC News item yet but I agree it's worth considering if you work at a gun range or shoot a lot.
Good points & tips were mentioned before so Im not going to repeat all of them.
Drinking grapefruit juice was good. As was washing any clothes or cleaning any items that may of had direct exposure. Not smoking is also a smart tip but I'm not sure who was doing that before :confused: or what pistol club/range allowed tobacco products while shooting.

Rusty
 
I shoot at 2 local indoor ranges and one outdoor range. At one of the indoor ranges, no one is allowed forward of the shooting line without full coverage HAZMAT gear. At least, that is when they are open and someone has to go out to deal with a stuck target carrier or something. I don't know what they do after hours. They also have hand washing stations at the exits from the shooting lines stocked with D-Lead hand soap.

The other indoor range is newer and I haven't observed their procedures, but they don't have special hand washing stations or special soap in the restrooms.

The outdoor range is...an outdoor range. No special precautions except warning signs on the berms.
 
This was brought up years ago by .gov studies and it forced a retro fit of their facilities to update the ventilation, etc. The local college got massive air movers and the air intake on a cold winter day can overpower the heating system. Gets nippy

It could be said that much of the risk comes from .22 and handloaders - the tactical practical shooters buying store bought jacketed ammo aren't splattering wheel weights off the steel plate downrange, those rounds tend to hang together a lot more.

As for going all copper or non lead being a "power reducer" that hurts downrange performance, I suppose Barnes Bullets is just hanging on by the skin of their teeth from poor market penetration 'cause we all know it takes a chunk of lead ta kill somethin'. Explains the huge comeback in ducks and geese being a nuisance nationwide, too.

Not. There is less lead in ammo now than ever before.

The local paper had a full page spread on it, listing "victims" of lead poisoning and the horrible effects from absorbing a toxic load. The problem is that very few facilities are actually inspected unless there is a blood test report saying someone was contaminated. And, if you work at a range, you are likely a shooter, might reload, and the source of your contamination hasn't been specifically pinpointed.

Much like the research on lead poisoning of ducks, there is a lot of speculation and NO hard science or explanation in parts per million. What constitutes "severe?" We don't know. And it doesn't help that ranges in gun hater communities are the ones made into poster child examples of enforcement - like one in the suburbs of Chicago, aka Obamaville.

Just another anti gun attack story for the agenda masters, but the real point is that we should be aware. It could happen, yes, is it severe problem? I was raised in a lead mining community that spreads over a 50 mile radius, where any building older than 1970 was likely painted with lead paint, and older plumbing drains were likely caulked with lead. We still use lead weights on car wheels, they fall off on the roads by the thousands and are ground up on the pavement or sit on the side of the road. Those are shipped in folded cardboard boxes with no shrink wrap to contain the dust. Same with porous fabric bags of lead shot. I used to work at a factory that would be filled with smoke from welding a known toxic source, galvanized sheet metal. After years of use, managment finally installed fume collecting welding nozzles - so we woudn't have to breathe it.

Live in a sniff test auto pollution controlled municipality? Your air there is so contaminated from exhaust they instituted that inspection procedure, so that is the air that gets sucked into the expensive range ductwork to "protect" you from lead dust.

Don't lose perspective on it.
 
Exposure does not equal poisoning. Even elevated levels are not necessarily poisoning. I'd love to see rates of health effects due to lead poisoning as opposed to the more easily measured but less-meaningful-in-actual-practice lead levels and their asociated inevitably-ever-increasing health risks (as asserted by researchers publishing studies that, oddly, always suggest lead is dangerous enough to warrant funding additional studies, no matter how limited or tenuous the exposure risk).

TCB

Well put. There is no need to impose additional nanny state regulations and require lead free ammo, range inspections, etc.

Like most health issues, 99% of the risk completely evaporates with self-imposed, common sense practices like not smoking, hand washing, and adequate ventilation.
 
I take EVERYTHING from media with huge grains of salt.

Of course, while necessary to life, they would have us think that even writing the word "salt" is hazardous to our health.

My take on media and their regurgitated "studies"...

You're gonna find what you're lookin' for

You're gonna look for "data" supporting the search

The searches are generally issue/agenda motivated

Media makes money indirectly by supporting agitator issues and directly by fomenting and supporting fear and suspicion in the general public


It usually takes very little time for the discerning media consumer to pick apart a deliberately leading "news" item. Problem is, most consumers get the entirety of their take-away content from the shock headline and its supporting first paragraph... or worse still, TV soundbites.

Dead worst is the amount of Americans whose primary source of news coverage is MTV news, The Daily Show and SNL's "Weekend Update".

I grew up for the most part in Anoka, Minnesota - had many family members working at Federal Cartridge, probably had .22 lead on my fingers more than most kids in the world and spent untold hours digging through firing back-stops searching for treasures - kids, go figure.

Somehow, I managed to make it well past half a century without fathering gilled children, sprouting an extra eye from my forehead or in fact exhibiting ANY chronic health issues.
 
Since their birth, I've been working with my kids to make sure that they aren't eating my ammo. So far, so good. One still likes to lick the windows though.
 
There's been chatter about using the EPA against the 2nd for a while. This is one small step to get that ball rolling 'for the children'.
 
There is no doubt that lead can be very harmful, particularly to children. I certainly wouldn't let my children play in the dirt at the range. That said, I doubt the exposure from occasional shootint at an outdoor range (what we do) is much to be concerned about.
 
That could be the reason why there s a lot of autistic cases. Kid's brains are affected as they go shoot with mama , mama, grandpa and grandma. LOL
 
If the worry is children playing on the berms after they close, I think the horse left the barn ALONG TIME AGO.

Did they stop to think about the parents who let their children play in such an area, or IF THERE WAS EVERY SUCH A SITUATION OUT SIDE OF THEIR CREATIVE lunatic brains?!:mad:

be safe
 
There's been chatter about using the EPA against the 2nd for a while. This is one small step to get that ball rolling 'for the children'.

Yup -- four years ago, the EPA floated the notion of receiving petitions to ban lead in ammunition (which would necessarily cause the cost of ammo to skyrocket -- an eerily familiar theme).

The EPA shelved the idea based on the huge and strenuous outcry from Second Amendment proponents.

But we know that such mischief is never far from the minds of statists.

http://www.usnews.com/news/washingt...o-regulate-lead-in-bullets-after-nra-protests

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As said, keep this in perspective. There are about 100 million Americans who own guns. The article stated that "between 2002 and 2012, a total of 2,056 Americans in “police protection” and 2,673 likely involved in “target shooting” had elevated blood lead levels."

That means over ten years, an average of 267 civilians likely involved in target shooting had elevated blood lead levels per year. Elevated is NOT toxic. Not too bad, all things considered such as other environmental exposure to lead. Was a control experiment done to see what non-shooters' blood levels were? If not, these figures are meaningless except to incite opposition to shooting.
 
Worrying about lead poisoning from shooting is a bit like worrying about flooding if you pee in a river. These reports are ridiculous, but there is an hysterical journalist born every minute. The antigun folks promote this hysteria at every waking hour. It's pathetic.
 
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