New bullet: "hypercav"

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Navy_Guns said:
The "Farenheit .451" thread ended kind of abruptly... Sounds like more of the same?
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=407097
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I read the entire thread you posted. In the end i see this as an Apples and Oranges comparison.

Since i'm not an expert in the fields of powders, etc., I'll reserve comment. What I can appreciate is the idea of someone willing to try to improve any product.
I don't speak as to the end products' viability, but on the surface, I doubt seriously that I would want ammunition that takes a gun dedicated to that specific ammo.

The history timeline does leave me with questions...started in '08, I would have fully expected at least some test results by now.

This is nothing less than I, and all of you, should expect from my project.

Notable differences abound from here...

The Hypercav modification is simply that; a modification that can be intergrated into EXISTING, proven, ammunition. It is designed to allow any HP round to operate as originally designed, but over a wider range of in-field conditions.

There is no magic here, no special 'loads', etc..

My design only exists to make good or even marginal ammo...better, more reliable.
 
One other concern I do have... in most self defense situations the bullet hits cloth first, which is a porous material. Does the hypercav offer any advantage in this situation?
 
Until we see some hard, scientific proof from actual tests,we're all just woofing in the wind.
As far as the folks who are discrediting this invention, just remenber: Walt Disney tried to sell the concept that became Mickey Mouse to MGM Studios. Louie B. Meyer pitched him out and told him nobody would ever pay money to see a cartoon about a rat.
Also,math formulas don't always prove to be correct. It can be mathmatically proven that bumble bee's can't fly. Guess nobody told the bumble bees.
Maybe we should all give this thread a rest until there's some hard data.
 
hammerklavier said:
One other concern I do have... in most self defense situations the bullet hits cloth first, which is a porous material. Does the hypercav offer any advantage in this situation?
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I can't fully answer that question, as there are more tests to be done. However, what we do know so far is while cloth material (plugging) is a real problem with HP ammo, the porting can relieve some of that by design alone.

One "by-product' aspect we're looking at is with the relief delivered by removing the air factor, it's conceivable that the nose area of the HP round could be smaller, which will help reduce the plugging issue.

Of course you could eliminate plugging altogether...just shoot 'em in the head...lol
 
I can't fully answer that question, as there are more tests to be done. However, what we do know so far is while cloth material (plugging) is a real problem with HP ammo, the porting can relieve some of that by design alone.

One "by-product' aspect we're looking at is with the relief delivered by removing the air factor, it's conceivable that the nose area of the HP round could be smaller, which will help reduce the plugging issue.

Of course you could eliminate plugging altogether...just shoot 'em in the head...lol
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I would say that for most autoloders, a smaller opening on the HP would be highly desirable, so that it may feed more like an FMJ.
 
I can't believe there is no proof! I mean, all testing and development is done overnight, on the same night!

Good luck with this. It sounds like you have reasonable expectations for your own design and aren't just trying to make a quick buck. It's nice to see someone take some pride in their work regardless of what the internet geniuses are saying.

To those that want to be skeptical, that's normal and understood. I don't see a product being sold with a "Just trust us" marketing scheme and is still in the testing stage. Duh. I don't know why you think you are supposed to just trust him when even he isn't 100% sure about the product, hence the continuous testing.

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Mapquest shows a better depiction of where the address is. I'm glad Google is now the end all be all for directions.
 
iiibdsiil said:
I can't believe there is no proof! I mean, all testing and development is done overnight, on the same night!

Good luck with this. It sounds like you have reasonable expectations for your own design and aren't just trying to make a quick buck. It's nice to see someone take some pride in their work regardless of what the internet geniuses are saying.

To those that want to be skeptical, that's normal and understood. I don't see a product being sold with a "Just trust us" marketing scheme and is still in the testing stage. Duh. I don't know why you think you are supposed to just trust him when even he isn't 100% sure about the product, hence the continuous testing.

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Mapquest shows a better depiction of where the address is. I'm glad Google is now the end all be all for directions.
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FYI: Gel-block testing by Brassfetcher should happen sometime after the first. Report and photos will follow.

I know I have the patience of a snapping rubber band, but even I know these things take time if you want to do it right...

I had no idea how importand my domicile was in relation to this project! Heck, if I'd known that, I would have shown my address as a Mansion in Bermuda...

Actually, the Mrs. should be glad we live where we do...left up to me, I'd have a good horse, a Flyrod and a tent (tent optional), and be perfectly happy...lol

Some folks still equate material things as a measure of success...some folks...

Have a happy and prosperous New Year!
 
This is my take on what is going on here. We have a gentlemen who is probably an mechanical engineering student writing his thesis on bullet expansion and using our collective knowledge for his research.
 
eddism said:
This is my take on what is going on here. We have a gentlemen who is probably an mechanical engineering student writing his thesis on bullet expansion and using our collective knowledge for his research.
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I don't even want to know what part of your anatomy you pulled THAT one from...

Let's review; 1st, Hypercav is fake. Then, I"M a fake. Next, I live in a retention pond (still think that one was kinda cool...) and now, I'm an engineering student useing all of you for my thesis research.

I think someone may have started their New Years party a little early...

Very funny stuff here.
 
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This thread reminds me of the Palm Pistol that came out a couple years ago...remember it? An alzheimer's disabled grandmaws gun for the nursing home. Paid for by medicare!!
http://www.palmpistol.com/
They have an address of a respectable looking house. I think their lab is in the 2 car garage around back?
 
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As mentioned by some other members, are we not above these insulting comments?, about where a man lives . None of this is constructive to anyone nor is it very High Road.
It may be time for a mod to review some of this behavior. If you don't have anything constructive to say, why resort to nasty comments about someone who you don't even know? Whether you agree with the theory or not, personnel attacks are kid stuff.
 
Well OK, but it's hard to trust someone with a username that's a singular instance of a plural. :neener:
 
Oooh, I've always wanted to post this. Here's my chance.
 

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Could you give us some simple emperical evidence of any sort. Perhaps a video link of your thing in action. Your bullet into a block of wood would be a start.

Heres a way to quantify bullet energy if you under the restraints of a budget. You can always use a ballastic pendulum as a kind of "transformer", to exchange the high speed of a light object (the bullet) for the low-and thus more easily measurable-speed of a massive object (the block) if a chronograph isn't available to determine velocity.

The internal energy of the bullet remains as the mechanical energy of the swinging pendulum. Now you can determine the bullet energy because the swinging pendulum is equal to its potential energy when the block is at the top of its swing. Thus, the percent of the original kinetic energy of the bullet is transferred to mechanical energy of the pendulum. The rest is transferred to thermal energy of the block and bullet, or goes into the breaking of wood fibers as the bullet bores into the block.

From here you need to begin using mechanics of materials. Which material resists supersonic shock waves best without falling apart before it gets to its destination. Then once arriving at its destination, it must deform elastically without falling to pieces to creat maximum hydrostatic shock. There are public librarys all over this great country to gather this necessary information.

In my opinion, this science is a settled matter. You ought to put your talent and expenses towards a new way of delivering a punch. I've heard that particle projection cannon science is a new an evolving field. Perhaps your talent along with all of THR input will guide you to success.

Happy New Year - Cheers
 
Heres a way to quantify bullet energy if you under the restraints of a budget. You can always use a ballastic pendulum as a kind of "transformer", to exchange the high speed of a light object (the bullet) for the low-and thus more easily measurable-speed of a massive object (the block) if a chronograph isn't available to determine velocity.

The internal energy of the bullet remains as the mechanical energy of the swinging pendulum. Now you can determine the bullet energy because the swinging pendulum is equal to its potential energy when the block is at the top of its swing. Thus, the percent of the original kinetic energy of the bullet is transferred to mechanical energy of the pendulum. The rest is transferred to thermal energy of the block and bullet, or goes into the breaking of wood fibers as the bullet bores into the block.
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This is all completely irrelevant concerning a potential improvement in the terminal ballistics of a hollow point in live tissue.
 
strambo said:
This is all completely irrelevant concerning a potential improvement in the terminal ballistics of a hollow point in live tissue.
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Strambo is right.

The Hypercav mod only effects "point-of-contact" with the target and beyond.

Velocity, flight, trajectory, muzzle energy, etc. is irrelevant in this instance, as the round is an existing commercially available bullet.
HC does not effect any other aspects of an otherwise "stock" bullet.

For example; one (very well known) manufacturer has suggested they send us large quantities of their bullets, we modify them to HC specs, and return them for assembly per original ammunition loads. (Designated JHPHC)

(*They've had HC samples to test for some time now.)
 
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