New Handguns for New Hometown?

Old revolver guy, and still a fan of Centennials for actual carry.
But if you are really concerned about defense, a good, compact 9 makes sense, specifically a P365. Even the smallest ones hold 10 rounds, and they shoot like a much larger gun, in terms of manageable recoil. They go bang all the damned time.
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I'm settling in. There's lots of petty crime here and the occasional mugging. I walk the dog after it's a bit light in the morning, and right at sundown in the evening. When it's dark it's harder to see him (someone might make a stupid mistake), and the stray dogs and cats are more of a problem. I still prefer my 38 snubs for carry. That's what I'm used to.

I left my truck unlocked the other night and someone stole things out of the glove compartment. I knew what was happening (the dog was going nuts), but I'm not going to shoot someone (or let my dog maul them) because of some ballpoint pens. When the weather cools down I'll build a proper six-foot fence with a gate for the vehicles, and a dog door in the backdoor for him. He'll watch over the vehicles and tools and so forth.

I grew up in working class neighborhoods like this, and it's coming back to me easily enough. Still laughing when people say "the neighborhood doesn't matter". Yeah, it matters. People in my previous neighborhood made too much money to bother stealing your lawnmower or mugging you. Here it's somewhat common. You can make up some crazy story where the sketchy guys here band together to drive somewhere far away to mug a rich guy working in his garden, but the truth is that they are homeless or close to it, and only the wealthy ones own a bicycle. They only do crimes within walking or bicycling distance of where they're staying.

Still carrying a snub 38 most of the time because of muscle memory. My hands still prefer it to my small semiautos. Still sleep with a 38 next to me for the same reason, though there is now a loaded 12-gauge available for really pesky situations.

More bullets don't make you more safe. What's keeping me safe on walks is that I'm big and rough-looking, and I'm walking around with a very large and alert-looking dog. If I have to pull out a pistol and start shooting (in the middle of a residential area), I've already failed.
 
I have lived in my current exurban home and neighborhood for 20 years. The violent crime rate is extremely low here. A resident hasn't been murdered since the early 2000's. I keep a 3" 38 near my bed anyway, and carry a 2" 38 when I'm out and about.

On Monday I'm starting my move to a nearby state. I'll be living in a small town and neighborhood that are just mildly sketchy. Violent crime is about half of the national average, but of course much higher than where I live now.

If you were moving into a similar situation, would you change your HD or CC habits? If so, what would your suggestions be? If not, why not?

My 120-pound doberman mix will be moving with me. He is two years old, healthy, alert, and a good barker.


Unless the potential mugger/robber is coked out of his mind a 158gr+p 38spl would be more than enough IMHO.
Such as this offering from Remington.
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158gr bullet at 890fps. That's not gonna feel great entering your thoracic cavity lol.
 
I'm settling in. There's lots of petty crime here and the occasional mugging. I walk the dog after it's a bit light in the morning, and right at sundown in the evening. When it's dark it's harder to see him (someone might make a stupid mistake), and the stray dogs and cats are more of a problem. I still prefer my 38 snubs for carry. That's what I'm used to.

I left my truck unlocked the other night and someone stole things out of the glove compartment. I knew what was happening (the dog was going nuts), but I'm not going to shoot someone (or let my dog maul them) because of some ballpoint pens. When the weather cools down I'll build a proper six-foot fence with a gate for the vehicles, and a dog door in the backdoor for him. He'll watch over the vehicles and tools and so forth.

I grew up in working class neighborhoods like this, and it's coming back to me easily enough. Still laughing when people say "the neighborhood doesn't matter". Yeah, it matters. People in my previous neighborhood made too much money to bother stealing your lawnmower or mugging you. Here it's somewhat common. You can make up some crazy story where the sketchy guys here band together to drive somewhere far away to mug a rich guy working in his garden, but the truth is that they are homeless or close to it, and only the wealthy ones own a bicycle. They only do crimes within walking or bicycling distance of where they're staying.

Still carrying a snub 38 most of the time because of muscle memory. My hands still prefer it to my small semiautos. Still sleep with a 38 next to me for the same reason, though there is now a loaded 12-gauge available for really pesky situations.

More bullets don't make you more safe. What's keeping me safe on walks is that I'm big and rough-looking, and I'm walking around with a very large and alert-looking dog. If I have to pull out a pistol and start shooting (in the middle of a residential area), I've already failed.
That kind of rationale will lead to you getting robbed/injured or killed.
By the time you determine it's time to draw that revolver it will be too late.

Letting a DB knowingly steal your stuff is just an invitation for them to come back and take more stuff.
You don't have to confront them face to face/or let the dog out, just blow off an air horn out your door to let them know you are watching.
Yeh, it was just some pens this time but could be something more valuable next time, like a cat. converter.
Build a wall/fence if you think it will help (most towns have codes against them), but cameras would be a less costly option that would not make your house look like a fortress.

As far as dog walks, I suggest you carry something less lethal, like pepper spray.
Pulling a gun on an aggressive pan handler will get you laughed at as the pan handler knows you will not shoot them, you will need to fight one-handed, and can be charged with brandishing or threatening, after the fact.

Having that pepper spray in hand during your walks, negates any draw/don't draw thought process.

""What's keeping me safe on walks is that I'm big and rough-looking.""
It won't be long before that safety will be lost when those dirt bags decide to team up on you.
Once you are flanked by those DBs where you cannot see them both, expect the one out of view to become aggressive towards you.
You need more than one means of defense, so I suggest you get some pepper spray and train with it.
jmo,
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That kind of rationale will lead to you getting robbed/injured or killed.
By the time you determine it's time to draw that revolver it will be too late.

Letting a DB knowingly steal your stuff is just an invitation for them to come back and take more stuff.
You don't have to confront them face to face/or let the dog out, just blow off an air horn out your door to let them know you are watching.
Yeh, it was just some pens this time but could be something more valuable next time, like a cat. converter.
Build a wall/fence if you think it will help (most towns have codes against them), but cameras would be a less costly option that would not make your house look like a fortress.

As far as dog walks, I suggest you carry something less lethal, like pepper spray.
Pulling a gun on an aggressive pan handler will get you laughed at as the pan handler knows you will not shoot them, you will need to fight one-handed, and can be charged with brandishing or threatening, after the fact.

Having that pepper spray in hand during your walks, negates any draw/don't draw thought process.

""What's keeping me safe on walks is that I'm big and rough-looking.""
It won't be long before that safety will be lost when those dirt bags decide to team up on you.
Once you are flanked by those DBs where you cannot see them both, expect the one out of view to become aggressive towards you.
You need more than one means of defense, so I suggest you get some pepper spray and train with it.
jmo,
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I don't understand lots of this. I am walking when it's light outside, with a large dog who's very alert. I'm a very large person and I'm armed. I'm alert to everyone around me. And "that kind of rationale will get me robbed/injured or killed"? That doesn't make sense.

I am not going to pull a gun on an aggressive panhandler. I am not going to be bothered by an aggressive panhandler. My dog is too big. His growl is terrifying and he means it. No one comes near me with bad intent, ever. My previous five dogs were only about 85 pounds. No one EVER got aggressive when they were around me, either. This one is 120 pounds.

I don't always walk at the same times or on the same routes. So the "DB's" will lie in wait for me for weeks until I happen to walk near them? And then what? The dog will smell them easily and warn me. If they're amped up, he'll smell it and started growling. Also, I am walking my dog. I have no wallet or money. That would be obvious to anyone who thought about it for three seconds.

I HAVE to build a six-foot fence because my dog can jump the current 3-4 foot sections without hardly trying. It will be around the back and sides of the house, with a gate to park vehicles. That's pretty normal.

Yeah, I have pepper spray. I don't carry it when I'm walking the dog, because it would disable him so easily.

I'm really having trouble understanding this post. I think the disconnect is probably that I've worked with large dogs for most of my life (raised by a series of German shepherds). My rational concern is that he'll kill someone's pet: a cat if he can reach it, a dog if it runs up aggressively and snaps at him. The idea that someone will come up and try to mug or intimidate me while I'm walking him is just ridiculous.
 
I don't understand lots of this. I am walking when it's light outside, with a large dog who's very alert. I'm a very large person and I'm armed. I'm alert to everyone around me. And "that kind of rationale will get me robbed/injured or killed"? That doesn't make sense.

I am not going to pull a gun on an aggressive panhandler. I am not going to be bothered by an aggressive panhandler. My dog is too big. His growl is terrifying and he means it. No one comes near me with bad intent, ever. My previous five dogs were only about 85 pounds. No one EVER got aggressive when they were around me, either. This one is 120 pounds.

I don't always walk at the same times or on the same routes. So the "DB's" will lie in wait for me for weeks until I happen to walk near them? And then what? The dog will smell them easily and warn me. If they're amped up, he'll smell it and started growling. Also, I am walking my dog. I have no wallet or money. That would be obvious to anyone who thought about it for three seconds.

I HAVE to build a six-foot fence because my dog can jump the current 3-4 foot sections without hardly trying. It will be around the back and sides of the house, with a gate to park vehicles. That's pretty normal.

Yeah, I have pepper spray. I don't carry it when I'm walking the dog, because it would disable him so easily.

I'm really having trouble understanding this post. I think the disconnect is probably that I've worked with large dogs for most of my life (raised by a series of German shepherds). My rational concern is that he'll kill someone's pet: a cat if he can reach it, a dog if it runs up aggressively and snaps at him. The idea that someone will come up and try to mug or intimidate me while I'm walking him is just ridiculous.
OK, now your dog is your #1 defense?
What happened to: ""What's keeping me safe on walks is that I'm big and rough-looking.""
Your original question was about what gun, not about dogs as your best defense when walking....
Pepper spray trumps all that dog scenario logic, I know, I have used it while walking my dog.
Using that dog or gun will get you a court date for sure.
That's a lot of faith in your dog right there.
I'm not sure why you "don't understand a lot of this" and I hope your life is just a continuation of all your perceived scenarios.

I hope you get some more responses you can quote/cherry pick, with all your silliness, I predict this thread will die right here.
I just posted some alternatives, there's no need to critique my post, with all these trumped-up scenarios.
Maybe post it on a dog forum...
Dream on my friend...
No need to respond here, you are wasting your wisdom on me.
jmo,
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There's lots of petty crime here and the occasional mugging.
The term "mugging" connotes a physical assault on a person involving force or violence. I don't know what you intended by the word. It could mean a real beat-down involving serious bodily injury. I wouldn't rely on a dog to defend you because the dog could be the first to get a piece of pipe to the head.

Also, I am walking my dog. I have no wallet or money. That would be obvious to anyone who thought about it for three seconds.
Never assume that you know what other people are thinking. Some people don't think for three seconds, and others couldn't get it if you gave them 2 hours to watch 60 Minutes.

I left my truck unlocked the other night and someone stole things out of the glove compartment.
At a minimum, consider purchasing a motion sensor for an outdoor light and maybe even a game camera with an obvious flash that is out of reach from whomever may be committing a property crime. Of course, you really need to get that fence and doggie door built ASAP.
 
Please forgive me if my posts have been disjointed. I had a house fire two days after the original post, and moved out of state the day after that.

Also, sorry if I mentioned the dog too much. My ex brought him home from the shelter, couldn't control him, and I had to choose between returning him there or bringing him with me. I'm very happy that it's working out so well between us.

Thank you for all of the kind advice.

I've left a coach gun out of the safe, and a brand-new box of 00 buckshot is supposed to arrive today. That didn't seem at all necessary in my previous neighborhood, but seems like a wise precaution here. I prefer the coach gun to a 9mm carbine, and a high-powered rifle makes me worry about sending bullets through people's houses.

I'll start working on a new fence as soon as the temperatures permit (109 yesterday, still 101 at sundown). Two long walks per day is a requirement for my cancer rehab. I've learned not to do those in this neighborhood unless it's light enough to see. There are also two sections of different streets that I just need to avoid in the evening, due to obvious drug trafficking.

As far as CC goes, I can't wear a belt yet due to recent surgeries, so anything too big/heavy isn't really an option. After lots of good advice, I've been going with whatever fits with my clothing best to give me a fast unobstructed draw. I still feel the most comfortable with my LCR, but the Kahr PM9 and CM45 are a better fit with some of my newer shorts. My Springfield XD9 will arrive early next week. It should fit certain pockets better than the others, and will be a nice belt pistol when I'm able to wear a belt again.

Thanks to everyone for your patience and advice. :)
 
Yeah, I have pepper spray. I don't carry it when I'm walking the dog, because it would disable him so easily.
I would carry pepper spray anyway. Better the dog get caught in the back blast of the spray then the dog bites somebody and the Humane Society confiscate him and destroy him.

It's also been my direct personal experience that criminals who will dare you to shoot them, will back down immediately when they see you shaking up that pepper spray.
 
tallball, you have your hands full these days. rather than sniping we should be honored that you seek our advice. we collectively should simply offer our own best advice and leave it at that. you have the essentials of your security down pat, comments here are on the margins. “perfect is the enemy of good enough.”
 
@WisBorn

Yes. I got a functional house for almost nothing. I've been doing renovation work and getting used to living in a working class neighborhood again.

Yes. There's only one real gunstore in town. They also do FFL's, gunsmithing, and have an outdoor range. I hope to shoot there next week. There's a diner with good burgers about two blocks away.

I picked up a Springfield XD9 from my new FFL this morning. It would be a shame to move to a different state and start a long thread and so forth, and not even end up with a new pistol. :)

When the weather turns cooler it will fit nicely under a jacket.

 
@WisBorn

Yes. I got a functional house for almost nothing. I've been doing renovation work and getting used to living in a working class neighborhood again.

Yes. There's only one real gunstore in town. They also do FFL's, gunsmithing, and have an outdoor range. I hope to shoot there next week. There's a diner with good burgers about two blocks away.

I picked up a Springfield XD9 from my new FFL this morning. It would be a shame to move to a different state and start a long thread and so forth, and not even end up with a new pistol. :)

When the weather turns cooler it will fit nicely under a jacket.

I had a XD9 subcompact that I gave one of my nephews. I don't gift firearms that I don't in! I also gave a mod 2 XD9 tactical to another nephew.
Never had any problems with my XD series of guns!
 
You current set up is great. I'd suggest adding a semi auto. Can't go wrong w a G19.
 
TY for everyone's kind advice. I listened and have been carrying pepper spray in addition to a knife and a handgun. A drunk person yelled and cursed at me at 7:00am last week during my morning walk. I was impressed by their early start, but didn't want to hurt them. They were almost drunk enough to lunge closer and get bitten by my dog. I finally understood the point that @Mark_Mark and others were making. It would be much kinder to pepper spray the person.

A 12-guage stays loaded in the house, and today I'm starting work on a fence to keep my vehicles safe.

I still prefer to carry my LCR or 642. However, my Kahr PM9 and CM45 are getting carried when they fit my clothing better. I'm going to add the small Kahr 380 (CW380, I think) when I run across one at a good price. I read something in another thread and realized it would probably be a good thing if my small, medium, and large semiautos for CC all functioned identically.
 
@Tallball I agree that the pepper spray is a good choice. A small 380 does have purpose. I have a LCPII. I haven't carried it in a couple of months, but on really hot days with light clothing or with a suit I like it. Not sure if it has started to cool down where you live. Here in WI it is. Going to start carrying one of my compacts.
 
I'm not sure if this would apply to a dog but I have been told that pepper spray for humans will not work on a Bear.

The rationale isn't that the formula is not strong enough. As a matter of fact Pepper Spray for humans is actually stronger than bear spray. The rationale is that pepper spray for use on humans is designed to fire between 5 and 10 ft. If you spray a bear that close to you momentum alone is going to keep it coming at you.

That's why bear spray is designed to shoot up to 30 ft.
 
Most of my life, I’ve lived rurally. Private land, surrounded by family (uncle’s home is c. 150 yds away, as is my grandmother’s; and gov’t land (DeSoto Nat’l Forest borders on 3 sides). Only fools brave enough to wander up our mile and half long drive are teens shining our pasture for deer, individuals who are lost; or miscreants. The last band of miscreants made themselves known and caught their vehicle several rounds of 00buck at 75yds- far better than the .243 Winchester leaning next to it. When the closest law-dog has a response time of an hour (if you’re lucky), you handle business yourself. Never kept but an H&R Topper loaded w/ #8’s for snake, my 870 w/ 00buck, and a Sako Forester in .243 Win. for the opportune target.

I moved to our local town of late, right on the main drag; back of my father’s fabrication and metal working shop, set up house in an attached apartment there; and made known to the local miscreants that my door wasn’t locked for my safety- it was locked for *their* safety; and any of em stupid enough to kick it in would catch at least one round of 00buck to the chest.

*THERE*, I kept my 870 loaded w/ personally tested 00buck, a KaBAR to my left hand, and a Zastava M70 to my right hand. Relatively safe area, surrounded by good folk; but when your apartment is attached to a fab/machine shop filled with several thousand in material- let alone equipment and machinery- the chances of a break-in become somewhat higher (in my opinion).

Long story short; it is indeed a good idea to scale your setup to your environment.
 
Mom is elderly and I need to be in reasonable driving distance.
I finally decided to read through this. I would like to give you a :thumbup: for wanting to be close to help your mother. I look at it this way, she took care of you when you couldn't and now it's time for you to pay that back although many people won't.

As to what to carry I might consider something with a few more rounds capacity in your new situation. Never having had to defend myself in a gunfight I can't really say how I would react. We all think we are excellent shots but when adrenaline kicks in one knows how it will affect them until it actually does. People are the same toughness everywhere but numbers also count. Do the bad guys run in packs in your new area?

As to being big and rough I have a little story. I have a rather large, as in small house sized, brother-in-law and in his younger years was considered to be a very rough individual. He spent most of his free time in bars getting drunk and whipped about every tough guy in this county and it is a big county. Several years ago he took a trip to Albuquerque. He checked into a large and nice motel and his room was around to the back and on the top story. Stepping off the stairs he faced a family being robbed at gunpoint in broad daylight and the robber pointed his gun at him and said he would take his money too. Big ol' tough guy said he just handed it over being very quite while he did so.
 
I finally decided to read through this. I would like to give you a :thumbup: for wanting to be close to help your mother. I look at it this way, she took care of you when you couldn't and now it's time for you to pay that back although many people won't.

As to what to carry I might consider something with a few more rounds capacity in your new situation. Never having had to defend myself in a gunfight I can't really say how I would react. We all think we are excellent shots but when adrenaline kicks in one knows how it will affect them until it actually does. People are the same toughness everywhere but numbers also count. Do the bad guys run in packs in your new area?

As to being big and rough I have a little story. I have a rather large, as in small house sized, brother-in-law and in his younger years was considered to be a very rough individual. He spent most of his free time in bars getting drunk and whipped about every tough guy in this county and it is a big county. Several years ago he took a trip to Albuquerque. He checked into a large and nice motel and his room was around to the back and on the top story. Stepping off the stairs he faced a family being robbed at gunpoint in broad daylight and the robber pointed his gun at him and said he would take his money too. Big ol' tough guy said he just handed it over being very quite while he did so.
TY for the kind comments.

I chose my words poorly. By "rough" I didn't mean "formidable". I meant "looks broke". I'm always dressed like I'm just about to do manual labor, or just did manual labor, because it's true. IMHO, if it looks like you probably have less than $3 in your pocket, you're an unlikely target for muggers. Likewise, I'm not going to upgrade the outside appearance of my house so that it looks out of place. My goal is to look like that broke guy who lives in a ramshackle old house with an ancient truck that has a million miles on it. My dog likes to be on his chain on the front porch when the weather is nice. We fit in with the neighborhood and don't look like we have anything worth stealing.

I went ahead and got a couple of new 9mm pistols though, because, you know, enablers... ;)
 
I went ahead and got a couple of new 9mm pistols though, because, you know, enablers.

We are always willing to help someone buy a new firearm whatever it may be. :evil:

I am a wrangler's and tee-shirt person in warm weather, add a hoodie in cold, stay inside in really cold. I look no different than 90% of the population here except for three ax handle women in tights. o_O It is more for comfort though as I cannot remember a mugging ever happening here. I have even gone to wearing gym pants now and then in my travels. Until this year I wouldn't have been caught dead in them past my driveway.

PS: The older and more faded jeans become the more comfortable they are. My wife degrees somewhat and I have been known to rescue some from the trash container when she decided they needed to go. "No, hon, these feel too good to throw away and there are no holes---yet".
 
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I wouldn't change a thing concerning the handguns you first mentioned. I'm in a similar situation. I'll be leaving the state of Illinois for a free state sooner than later. I won't know anyone where I'm headed. I'll figure it out as I go along, but I've never felt under-gunned with a 38 snubby and I doubt I ever will.
 
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