Vern Humphrey
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You're kidding me, right?
Do you know what the military standards are for ammunition reliability? A 0.1 percent failure rate is definitely cause for rejection of an entire lot!
New Improved Remington .22 'bulk' ammo
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Do you know what the military standards are for ammunition reliability? A 0.1 percent failure rate is definitely cause for rejection of an entire lot!
No. I'm not kidding. I think you are sorely mistaken about real world failure rates. An engineer who can come up with a formula for 99.9% reliability will have a job for life, in any factory of his choosing.
Even NASA engineers, sending men into space on rockets with over 1 million pieces admit to a certain amount of failures. Perfection is impossible my friend. Get used to it.
Edit: I could be wrong... I looked for specs for ammo reliability, but didn't find any. I doubt they'd reject .1% failure though.
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Tiberius67
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Tried Thunderbolts and it leaded up my 10/22 so bad the bullets were tumbling at 25 yards before I'd even gone through a box of 50. I like thier LRN standard velocity target loads and the rebranded Ely stuff but for the most part I avoid Remington ammo.
Supposedly Remington had finally decided to do something about the problems with thier RF ammo, and were preparing to implement a program to revamp the production lines, but the first thing the new leadership installed by Cerebrus did was kill the program.
440 rds of Remington Golds with zero malfunctions. However, I was shooting a Ruger SR22 which eats any ammo I have put through it. Now close to 4000 rds with less than 5 failures. Yes, some of the failures were with the old Rem golds sticking. But like I said the last two boxs of the new Rem shot great and very equal to cci mini's mags in accuracy. My Bersa will cycle the Rems better than CCI. The Ruger is the best 22.cal I have shot. Remarkable how it will eat any ammo.
I shot 100 rounds of the "New and Improved" GBs yesterday using a Kimber .22LR conversion barrel/slide on a Kimber frame and didn't have any issues. The GBs were accurate (brake rotor at 50 yards) and 100% reliable. I have five magazines for steel matches and put an X on one of them due to unreliable peformance with CCI ammunition at a match a few months back. Oddly enough, even the X magazine worked fine with the GBs.
So did you have one misfire in each or two in one?
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So did you have one misfire in each or two in one?
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50 + 20 = 70
(2/70)*100 = 2.9% (where do you get 4% from)
Regardless, I'd bet a box of "new and improved" GB that your Colt and/or Stevens are the issue. Go shoot another 100 through the Woodsman and report back. I'll even pay for the ammo.
Vern Humphrey
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Miscounted. >blush< I also misremembered -- I kept track of the number of rounds fired and the gun, and when I looked again, I saw the first gun I used it in was my Colt Woodsman, not my Service Ace Conversion Kit.
In any case, I have two cases (5,000 rounds apiece) of Winchester Wildcat from the 1990s squirreled away. I have run through literally dozens of cases of Winchester Wildcat without any misfires.
And, having worked with Army procurement and specificially with ammo and weapons, I guarantee that a misfire rate of 0.1% would be grounds for rejection of any lot of ammo.
In any case, I have two cases (5,000 rounds apiece) of Winchester Wildcat from the 1990s squirreled away. I have run through literally dozens of cases of Winchester Wildcat without any misfires.
And, having worked with Army procurement and specificially with ammo and weapons, I guarantee that a misfire rate of 0.1% would be grounds for rejection of any lot of ammo.
Interesting. Generally failure rates that low are to be lauded.
Vern Humphrey
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In recent lots of Remington bulk, I've gotten much higher rates of misfires -- approaching 5%.
And while SAAMI may accept 0.6%, I don't. And SAAMI cannot force me to buy ammo from anyone who doesn't meet my standards.
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But the military does not buy much 22 rimfire ammo. Centerfire has always had a lower failure rate.
Remingon's failure rate was about 7% for thunderbolts and golden bullet bulk packs prior to this new and improved gb.
I have not shot any of the new and improved, but give me some time and I will. I still have about 10 Remington bulk packs that I bought during the "2007/2008 shortage".
Remingon's failure rate was about 7% for thunderbolts and golden bullet bulk packs prior to this new and improved gb.
I have not shot any of the new and improved, but give me some time and I will. I still have about 10 Remington bulk packs that I bought during the "2007/2008 shortage".
I looked at SAAMI and didn't see anything for rimfire....
Edit: Nevermind, i was on the wrong page.
Vern Humphrey
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Nope -- the military will not accept a 0.1% failure rate in rimfire ammo.
Vern Humphrey
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I am including the earlier rounds fired in a diffent gun.
This was my Stevens Favorite -- a rifle that is highly reliable with quality ammo.
This. That's why I'm having trouble believing that the Military is rejecting a .1% failure rate in rimfire. I'd be surprised if their used and abused trainers come anywhere near that. Particularly when they might spend a whole day shooting without a thorough cleaning.
From my experience, shooting more than 50 rounds without at least a minimal cleaning, increases failure in any round exponentionally. That being said, and that being my routine, i've never had bulk ammo that was a 100% reliable until this new & improved came along. CCI MINI MAG 100%, sold in 100 rd plastic containers. Not cheap either, more expensive to produce because it is made with a lot more attention t. QC. Just go buy a box, this subject's not worth any more more words.
The personal budget of each individual
is an important factor where we all differ a bit...but I am in a situation where paying, at the local stores, $35 for 500 CCI Mini-Mag or $20-21 per 500 or for other bulk rate ammo is a no-decision....I buy the Mini-Mags. However, I have found a lot of the Federal very good. They have a 325 round bulk box of something called Match Performance or some such name that is good and the Fed Champion is very good also...Round Nose bare lead. I do not buy Rem rimfire period, end of story.
is an important factor where we all differ a bit...but I am in a situation where paying, at the local stores, $35 for 500 CCI Mini-Mag or $20-21 per 500 or for other bulk rate ammo is a no-decision....I buy the Mini-Mags. However, I have found a lot of the Federal very good. They have a 325 round bulk box of something called Match Performance or some such name that is good and the Fed Champion is very good also...Round Nose bare lead. I do not buy Rem rimfire period, end of story.
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