NEW Ruger M1 Carbine!

[Remington1911]

My Marlin Camp 9 had a 7 pound trigger to go with the 7 pounds it weighed, but it really looked nice.

I've got two Ruger PC carbines that just function well. Ruger offers them in many configurations. You can buy wood furniture for them if you are will to spend another $450.

I also have the M&P FPC and it is nothing to look at. But it weighs 5 1/2 pounds with an optic on it and runs great.

Those that want a PCC with wood need to look at the Henry Homesteader.

I love mine, trigger is no where near that heavy but I don't have a photo to prove that. Downside to the Marlin "camp" 9 is the goofball mag is used, but back then who knew. The 45 they had a hit with and picked the correct mag that will last the test of time, but the 9, nope.

I have shot the new Ruger example, and you can enjoy them. I guess to be nice I will say that is one more on the shelf for you to buy.

 

[jmorris]

Downside to the Marlin "camp" 9 is the goofball mag is used, but back then who knew.

The S&W mags were everywhere back then but you don’t have to be stuck with them. I have converted one of my spare (plastic) trigger housings over to Glock mags, probably not a beginner project though.



As for the 9mm’s ability to stop things, it does a decent job if you do your part and don’t ask too much from it. I use them around the house because they make a lot less noise that lots of other stuff I have.

 

[Remington1911]

The S&W mags were everywhere back then but you don’t have to be stuck with them. I have converted one of my spare (plastic) trigger housings over to Glock mags, probably not a beginner project though.

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As for the 9mm’s ability to stop things, it does a decent job if you do your part and don’t ask too much from it. I use them around the house because they make a lot less noise that lots of other stuff I have.

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I would be interested in the conversion. Personally not a glock guy, but I have a billion Beretta 92 mags. Never gave it a thought wonder if I could make that work.

 

[marvin02]

Downside to the Marlin "camp" 9 is the goofball mag is used

The S&W 3rd gen guns were and are very popular. They were used by a number of police departments and the Marlin Camp 9 paired with those. Greg Cote has 15 round Mec-Gar mags for $23.

https://gregcotellc.com/cart/smith-...9-15-rd-9mm-blued-mecgar-mgsw5915b-p-621.html

Those are what I used when I had the Camp 9.

 

[jmorris]

I would be interested in the conversion. Personally not a glock guy, but I have a billion Beretta 92 mags. Never gave it a thought wonder if I could make that work.

The first thing I would suggest, is to get extra parts you can modify without changing anything on a rifle you otherwise like. This way, you can’t mess anything up and can always return it to the way it is now.

I don’t know what version you have but there are at least two, that use different mag catches, so you will need one of those too as that is a part that also has to be modified (or the mags themselves).

 

[Steel Horse Rider]

As far as penetration ability is concerned this video surprised me.

 

[mavracer]

I like my KT 9mm carbine … because it uses Glock 19 & 17 mags … Increased velocity & accuracy vs a handgun .. folds ..its light & fits in a backpack.. great for travel …

I get the attraction to them. I've had a Hi Point carbine and shot a buddy's KT and while they do add some velocity and are easier to shoot accurately than a 9mm handgun, I can easily match or exceed the power of a 9mm carbine by just stepping up to 40 S&W or 10mm and with a mini reflex sight I can push the accuracy of a handgun pretty dang close to the limits of where I'd feel confident in the 9mm power getting the job done.
So to me a 300 blackout pistol in a backpack would be a better choice.

 

[amd6547]

Recent production Auto Ordnance M1 in its OEM Choate folder. Found this slightly used at a LGS, and got a good deal on it. After successful range trips, it has allowed me to retire my GI Inland from “active” service. It fits in a tennis racquet case.

 

[halfmoonclip]

Always stayed away from M1 Carbines because the ammo was harder to reload than pistol rounds. Kind of regret that decision these days.
Remington 1911, Beretta Storm Carbines can (there are two versions) accept those 92 magazines, with the fringe benefit of being a through the grip gun, so it is significantly shorter than carbines with their mag ahead of the triggerguard.
Moon

 

[JCooperfan1911]

Recent production Auto Ordnance M1 in its OEM Choate folder. Found this slightly used at a LGS, and got a good deal on it. After successful range trips, it has allowed me to retire my GI Inland from “active” service. It fits in a tennis racquet case.View attachment 1158920

You reload .30C?

 

[Nodakdad]

I don't find 30 Carbine really any tougher to load than other rounds. But I do love the round and I like the 10/22. So I had a few extra M1 Carbine stocks around, took the one with the most repairs and grabbed my Dremel, oh boy the saw dust flew. At the end it turned out pretty well, both stock and hand guard are USGI. The mag I had a 15 round that was rough and bent up. So chopped it off, and pinned and JB Welded it to the Ruger 10 round mag. Found a place online selling M1 styled sights for the 10//2 so stuck them all together and got this.

 

[Buckeye63]

I get the attraction to them. I've had a Hi Point carbine and shot a buddy's KT and while they do add some velocity and are easier to shoot accurately than a 9mm handgun, I can easily match or exceed the power of a 9mm carbine by just stepping up to 40 S&W or 10mm and with a mini reflex sight I can push the accuracy of a handgun pretty dang close to the limits of where I'd feel confident in the 9mm power getting the job done.
So to me a 300 blackout pistol in a backpack would be a better choice.

I agree .

 

[TTv2]

Why oh why a M1Carbine variant isn’t reintroduced is beyond me ..

I asked years ago why the .30 Carbine has never been put in a different platform than the M1 Carbinein a production scale and the consensus was the 762x39 and .223 have it beat in range, accuracy, and effect.

Now we have stuff like .300 BLK and 5.7, so the modern day tech has made an 85 year old cartridge obsolete and the industry has decreed it is only suitable for use in repros and maybe select few single action revolvers.

 

[WestKentucky]

I like the looks of the gun OP shows. My only gripe with the carbine, and the reason I don’t have one, is that Ruger owns Marlin and won’t stick on some walnut furniture and call it a camp 9. With a dull walnut stock and outfitted appropriately I can absolutely see it having some similarity to a us30m1c. As it is, it’s a plastic rifle and I’m not interested. Even my plastic guns are pretty well swapped over to aluminum.

 

[WestKentucky]

I asked years ago why the .30 Carbine has never been put in a different platform than the M1 Carbinein a production scale and the consensus was the 762x39 and .223 have it beat in range, accuracy, and effect.

Now we have stuff like .300 BLK and 5.7, so the modern day tech has made an 85 year old cartridge obsolete and the industry has decreed it is only suitable for use in repros and maybe select few single action revolvers.

But it was… a couple times actually and they weren’t all that well recieved. I have a marlin 62 in 30ISm1c. It’s a quick throw lever action rifle with detachable 4 rd box mag. I own it but it’s worth what I paid for it, not what they bring on the market these days so I’m very tempted to sell it. The other notable 30 carbine is the Ruger blackhawk. Just silly loud with nothing to show for it using standard ammo. Loaded with pistol ammo it’s more in line with a 32 mag.

 

[The Happy Kaboomer]

I 'll stick with my REAL walnut and steel M! carbines. Those plastic 9's don't do it for me.

 

[Riomouse911]

Why oh why a M1Carbine variant isn’t reintroduced is beyond me ..

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This Keltec will fold and fit wonderfully in this back pack … and a 9mm standard pressure from a 16 inch barrel will rival a 357 mag from a 4 inch barrel..
I have mine loaded with standard pressure 124gr Gold Dots ..

Chiappa made a 9mm .30 carbine clone a little while ago. I liked the initial look and the ease of buying 9mm, but Chiappa’s build was a bit blah so they petered out.

I like the .30 Carbine, I just haven’t seen ammo on the LGS shelves to feed mine in ages.

Stay safe.

 

[mavracer]

I asked years ago why the .30 Carbine has never been put in a different platform than the M1 Carbinein a production scale and the consensus was the 762x39 and .223 have it beat in range, accuracy, and effect.

Yep the 30 Carbine's success ultimately lead to it's demise. Remember it was intended as a gun for support personnel not front line. troops.

Now we have stuff like .300 BLK and 5.7, so the modern day tech

Yeah IMHO a modern take on a M1 Carbine would be better represent by a Ruger Mini 14 in 300 blackout, 9mm sub guns already existed when the M1 Carbine was developed.

 

[bfoosh006]

Yeah, the title got my hopes up as well.

As far as .223/5.56 penetration through walls, there are plenty of FMJ bullets that have a thicker jacket than a M193ish bullet, and don't break up as easily.

So any wall penetration results "should" factor that into the actual results.

And the 9MM from a 16" barrel can have quite a bit more energy. After about 125yds it will drop like a brick... much like a 22LR.

FWIW... a bunch of chrono data from my 16" Colt pattern 9MM PCC
https://www.ar15.com/forums/ar-15/-/16-712312/?page=1&anc=7429025#i7429025

 

[Buckeye63]

I owned a Marlin Levermactic in 256 Winchester
I traded it odd or something when ammo got scarce
A very accurate rifle … I used it to dispatch a few oil cans …

 

[mavracer]

As far as .223/5.56 penetration through walls, there are plenty of FMJ bullets that have a thicker jacket than a M193ish bullet, and don't break up as easily.

So any wall penetration results "should" factor that into the actual results.

I agree a guy should look at testing of the actual ammo they choose, also plenty of non FMJ bullets that break up better than 855.

 

[WestKentucky]

I owned a Marlin Levermactic in 256 Winchester
I traded it odd or something when ammo got scarce
A very accurate rifle … I used it to dispatch a few oil cans …

I have that one too… or Dad has it, but it’s not going anywhere any time soon. I think the .256 is in my safe right now, but it could easily be in his.

As far as ammo goes, scarce isn’t a problem. Dad learned to reload by reading manuals and using a Lee whackamole set in .256 somewhere around 1971. He still has that set, but just for “fond” memories as I bought a .256 die set several years ago and then I made a die set to neck down .357 mag (old junk 30-30 sizer chopped to length backed up by a similar setup from 7mm something or another).

On topic of reloading 30 carbine, it is far easier to load than the .256 and really I find it similar to loading 9mm. Both are tapered, both are fairly small, and both are somewhat forgiving on powder options. I was nervous about trying 30 carbine just because so many people say it’s a nightmare, but it wasn’t bad at all to get set up and then you just process a pile of stuff into a pile of ammo with the occasional dimensional check here and there.

 

[Remington1911]

Reloading just about anything IMHO is not that "hard". I have found the smaller it gets the harder it is, but that is a "me" things.

25acp is a real pain to reload. They are so tiny.

 

[Madcap_Magician]

I don't find 30 Carbine really any tougher to load than other rounds. But I do love the round and I like the 10/22. So I had a few extra M1 Carbine stocks around, took the one with the most repairs and grabbed my Dremel, oh boy the saw dust flew. At the end it turned out pretty well, both stock and hand guard are USGI. The mag I had a 15 round that was rough and bent up. So chopped it off, and pinned and JB Welded it to the Ruger 10 round mag. Found a place online selling M1 styled sights for the 10//2 so stuck them all together and got this.
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I believe there was a distributor exclusive 10/22 that was built with a stock strongly reminiscent of an M1 carbine and with M1 carbine sights. I wish I had gotten one or two.

I asked years ago why the .30 Carbine has never been put in a different platform than the M1 Carbinein a production scale and the consensus was the 762x39 and .223 have it beat in range, accuracy, and effect.

Now we have stuff like .300 BLK and 5.7, so the modern day tech has made an 85 year old cartridge obsolete and the industry has decreed it is only suitable for use in repros and maybe select few single action revolvers.

I'd like a 5.56 M1 carbine. Which I guess is basically a Mini-14.

 

[toivo]

I'd like a 5.56 M1 carbine. Which I guess is basically a Mini-14.

Kind of, yeah. Does anybody make an M1 Carbine lookalike kit for the Mini-14? Sounds like there might be a market there.