GeoDudeFlorida
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Preach it, Brother!!
I don’t know much about progressives but I know a lot about filling houses with expensive krap.
New turret press under development with 3/4/5/6 configuration turrets
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I don’t know much about progressives but I know a lot about filling houses with expensive krap.
jmorris
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I'd be interested in you measuring it like this. Noting the high point of both ends of the working axis.
Turret movement on a Lyman turret press.
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sparkyv
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Will a bullet drop die work in a turret?
Why wouldn't it not? As long as a case is lifted into a correctly adjusted die, a bullet will drop.
One thing that made me hesitant about using a Lee turret press has been the priming system usually used. It will be interesting to see which system Lee chooses to install in these turret presses
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About 14 years ago, after corresponding with John Lee by email when Bulge Buster was released and there were some questions, particularly Bulge Buster for 9mm which ended up not being released due to tapered case, I sent him series of emails how Lee Precision could enhance existing product lines (I referenced Pro 1000 support thread) and long list of products Lee Precision could offer (Like a 4 station progressive press based on Classic Cast Turret base and through-ram spent primer capture).
Fast forward to several years ago and Lee Precision releases 4 station Auto Breech Lock Pro/Pro 4000 kit (BTW, Lee owns patent for spline drive breech lock) addressing most of issues on that list except for priming attachment (Have you noticed ABLP, SPP and 2023 Pro 1000 all have flat bases like Classic Cast Turret?
). And in subsequent years, it seemed like Lee Precision was checking off every item on the list I sent to John Lee.After Calvin from Lee Precision called me to beta test new inline bullet feeder die/rotary magazine and I suggested Lee Precision consider doing R&D of stepped "M" style powder through expander to address bullet tilt during indexing of shellplate and bullet seating along with production launch identified issues with Six Pack Pro/Pro 6000 kit, we had countless email exchanges what things to fix to include future direction of Lee Precision. I told them I am beta testing/end user testing their products to breaking point to identify solutions but since they have robust product development/engineering department with significant resources, I challenged John Lee to not just improve products to make them "good enough" but to make them stand out as industrial "bullet proof" with innovations unique to Lee Precision.
Seemingly endless emails later and several product updates to "bullet proof" SPP/Pro 6000 kit now with stepped "M" style "Square Starting" powder through expander in the die kits with new available "gated" 5 tube case feeder with new case collator design all with improved plastics and "all metal" Deluxe PPM, I applauded John Lee and his product development/engineering team as they celebrated successful product launch of their flagship and entry level progressive presses producing very consistent finished OAL - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...al-on-progressive-press.921633/#post-12684520
As we all celebrated resolution of last identified issue with SPP/Pro 6000 kit, Calvin confirmed John Lee's continued commitment to customer needs and product development/enhancement to not just improve product lines but to push them to higher industrial/"bullet proof" levels. As demonstrated by all metal Deluxe PPM, I am anticipating John Lee's commitment expressed in the new turret press and future Lee Precision products.
I have a feeling Calvin is already working on it so I can "beta test" to breaking point.
I will let you know as soon as I hear something from Calvin.
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jmorris
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The LCT, its held to the press by the OD, so there might be some take up but once it's loaded, it's square.
The ones that rotate around a center bolt are much more likely to do this.
Turret movement on a Lyman turret press.
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GeoDudeFlorida
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Seems like the fruit didn’t fall far from the tree. Mr. Lee (John) is smart to cultivate a consumer base.About 14 years ago, after corresponding with John Lee by email when Bulge Buster was released and there were some questions, particularly Bulge Buster for 9mm which ended up not being released due to tapered case, I sent him series of emails how Lee Precision could enhance existing product lines (I referenced Pro 1000 support thread) and long list of products Lee Precision could offer (Like a 4 station progressive press based on Classic Cast Turret base and through-ram spent primer capture).
Fast forward to several years ago and Lee Precision releases 4 station Auto Breech Lock Pro/Pro 4000 kit (BTW, Lee owns patent for spline drive breech lock) addressing most of issues on that list except for priming attachment (Have you noticed ABLP, SPP and 2023 Pro 1000 all have flat bases like Classic Cast Turret?
After Calvin from Lee Precision called me to beta test new inline bullet feeder die/rotary magazine and I suggested Lee Precision consider doing R&D of stepped "M" style powder through expander to address bullet tilt during indexing of shellplate and bullet seating along with production launch identified issues with Six Pack Pro/Pro 6000 kit, we had countless email exchanges what things to fix to include future direction of Lee Precision. I told them I am beta testing/end user testing their products to breaking point to identify solutions but since they have robust product development/engineering department with significant resources, I challenged John Lee to not just improve products to make them "good enough" but to make them stand out as industrial "bullet proof" with innovations unique to Lee Precision.
Seemingly endless emails later and several product updates to "bullet proof" SPP/Pro 6000 kit now with stepped "M" style "Square Starting" powder through expander in the die kits with new available "gated" 5 tube case feeder with new case collator design all with improved plastics and "all metal" Deluxe PPM, I applauded John Lee and his product development/engineering team as they celebrated successful product launch of their flagship and entry level progressive presses producing very consistent finished OAL - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...al-on-progressive-press.921633/#post-12684520
As we all celebrated resolution of last identified issue with SPP/Pro 6000 kit, Calvin confirmed John Lee's continued commitment to customer needs and product development/enhancement to not just improve product lines but to push them to higher industrial/"bullet proof" levels. As demonstrated by all metal Deluxe PPM, I am anticipating John Lee's commitment expressed in the new turret press and future Lee Precision products.
I have a feeling Calvin is already working on it so I can "beta test" to breaking point.
I will let you know as soon as I hear something from Calvin.
These are not the kinds of tools I prefer but I do appreciate the innovation and spirit of invention that goes into making them.
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Not seeing why you'd want to do that....so you have a bullet placed on a case after stroking the press....you still need to turn the turret to the seater die and seat it. Isn't it simpler to just turn it to the seater and put a bullet on the case?
Now if you had a feed and seat in one station, like I figured out on my Lee Pro 6000 it might save time.....except that on a turret it moves around the circle when you start the next case.....on a progressive it sits and waits on the next case. So no my feed and seat would be a royal PIA on a turret....nobody would want that. Besides the bullet feed dies are to make electric collators become useful.....because they can drop just one bullet at a time from a tube of bullets. A turret keeps turning around.....how do you connect a collator tube to that?....you can't.
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GW Staar
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Or inexpensive 3D printed crap....
My once roomy 8 foot bench is so crowded I had to build an extender bench for case processing. Least it's not expensive crap that fills my room. There are five collators on my benches now. One that was expensive and the other four that work even better for the price of the first one.
sparkyv
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And reportedly, the take up is repeatably consistent.
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Live Life ,
I seen this on Lee Precision website, so what is this Ultimate Turret Press when you click on it nothing shows. What have you heard lately.
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I found I was too lazy to change the dies on the single stage so I bought a T7. Then I found I was too lazy to change the turret head and bought another T7. Always Liked the LCT. If the reloading caliber inventory increases I'll probably go that route.
Turret presses just don’t ring my bell. But, I’ll accept that different folks have different strokes and others find turrets work well for their reloading process. It is good that the machines are adaptable to different operating needs.
I like the L-N-L die bushings. It gives me some flexibility of moving dies to different positions on the press.
On my Dillon BL550 and RCBS Pro2000, I use just one die plate. Dies have clamping lock rings that maintain die adjustment so I just spin the dies in and out of one die plate when I change cartridges.
I prefer to prime off the press so I resize at one time, generally after shooting, clean the cases and set them aside for a future reloading session. I do most of my sizing on the Hornady. For a variety of reasons, I have my favorite press for different cartridges. Some cartridges get loaded on the Hornady, some on the Pro2000, some on the Dillon SDB and some on the Dillon BL550.
My system works for me. Others will have different likes and needs and that is great.
I like the L-N-L die bushings. It gives me some flexibility of moving dies to different positions on the press.
On my Dillon BL550 and RCBS Pro2000, I use just one die plate. Dies have clamping lock rings that maintain die adjustment so I just spin the dies in and out of one die plate when I change cartridges.
I prefer to prime off the press so I resize at one time, generally after shooting, clean the cases and set them aside for a future reloading session. I do most of my sizing on the Hornady. For a variety of reasons, I have my favorite press for different cartridges. Some cartridges get loaded on the Hornady, some on the Pro2000, some on the Dillon SDB and some on the Dillon BL550.
My system works for me. Others will have different likes and needs and that is great.
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I will send Calvin an email to see if there's any updates he can share
These are actual emails sent by Calvin regarding the new turret press:I have a feeling Calvin is already working on it so I can "beta test" to breaking point.
I will let you know as soon as I hear something from Calvin.
Calvin at Lee Precision, Inc. Staff - 12/29/2023 3:44 pm
Hello,
We are close to rolling out a new press here in a couple weeks ... a new turret press that is very impressive.
Calvin at Lee Precision, Inc. Staff - 01/02/2024 7:57 am
Hello John,
Happy New Year!
Yes, that is correct. The new turret press will be a 5 hole turret press with the ability to purchase turrets in a 3,4,5 or 6 configuration. The 3 and 6 hole will be the same turret with two different index rods. This press is by far the most advanced turret press on the market and we are looking forward to getting finished up here very shortly.
Calvin Katzfey
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Jcon72
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Wow, that's a LOT of money for just a Lee turret kit. There are much better ways to spend $400+.
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That's MSRP. On Titan's site Lee Six Pack kits are $370.00, MSRP is $560.00. I would bet the new press will be sold below MSRP. I paid $108.00 for my LCT from Amazon in 2018. They're $190.00 now. Having choices is a good thing.
I have a LCT with dies and turrets for about every common handgun and rifle caliber, Why do I need more then four holes?? Seems to have worked just fine for many years.
Along with a LnL AP which has 5 holes along with my original Lee cast single stage breech lock with a gazillion bushings
Just another case of "more is better"
Along with a LnL AP which has 5 holes along with my original Lee cast single stage breech lock with a gazillion bushings
Just another case of "more is better"
irishlad
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I also have dies and turrets for all my pistol loads for my LCT(really like it), so I won't be getting one. For folks starting to reload or looking for a turret press "more is better" might be a good thing for them. I wouldn't mind a bullet feeder. Choice is a good thing!
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Yeah if I wasn’t already invested in the LCT 4 station press I would be interested.
For the couple of cartridges I need a fifth station I simply use my single stage for sizing operations.
And if NOE had come out with their powder thru expanders dies a few years ago I wouldn’t need a 5th station at all.
The second quote is the answer to the first. If you're already set up for all the cartridges you reload with the ordinal LCT, it doesn't make much sense (financially) to switch over to the new turret.
But if you're just starting out and not ready to step up to a progressive press. the 5 or 6 hole turret allows more flexibility
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Sure thing. I was just thinking that if I didn't have a Lee Classic Turret I would be looking at the new one hard.
But, TBH, if I was gonna spend that coin I would step up to the Lee 6-hole progressive. Which I may still do.
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I feel the same way, I have single stage, 3-hole turret and 4-hole turret presses, IF I add another press I'm thinking a progressive will be on top of the list.
I think a terret press often appeals to folks who aren't confident enough to move straight to a progressive...or they don't have a safety net.
I was recently asked for advice from a shooting buddy who finally decided it was appropriate for him to get into reloading. After asking questions about what he wanted to accomplish, what concerns he had, and what would be the immediate turn offs for him, I recommended that he start out with the Pro 6000 progressive. Plus I'll be there to show him how to set it up and what to check to safely reload. With six stations, he can have a powder check die and not have to combine die functions
He would have been bored starting with a single stage or a turret. He really didn't want to take up reloading as a hobby but as a hedge against future lack of access to ammo. I could have easily pointed him to a Dillon Square Deal, but for half the price, the Pro 6k was the obvious value choice. It met all his needs, loading only one caliber, without a major initial financial investment.
You need the fifth hole for the inline bullet feed die. After you use the Lee inline die you'll wonder how you ever got along without one. After you have a few years on your bones you will find out it sucks balancing the tiny bullets on the case mouth. A lot easier holding a small hand full of bullets and occasionally dropping one or two into the bullet feed tube.
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I am interested in the bullet feeder. I have gotten too achy to load standing on the Dillon S1050. Seated, I can reach the handle but the bullet seating die is too much of a reach.
The MR Bullet feeder is $500+ and the Mini MR at $160 seems a bit fiddly to use.
The Lee is $60 at Midway and is getting good reviews.
I have already offered to sell the 1050 to a friend, if he does not take it, I will buy the Lee feeder.
Say, is there any particular indicator that the "Gatling" tube is empty and time to go to the next?
The MR Bullet feeder is $500+ and the Mini MR at $160 seems a bit fiddly to use.
The Lee is $60 at Midway and is getting good reviews.
I have already offered to sell the 1050 to a friend, if he does not take it, I will buy the Lee feeder.
Say, is there any particular indicator that the "Gatling" tube is empty and time to go to the next?
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