Sergeant Bob
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Campaign material.
He'll no doubt be telling everyone how he called the grieving parent, and President Bush, on whose hands is Nick Berg's blood, did not.
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He'll no doubt be telling everyone how he called the grieving parent, and President Bush, on whose hands is Nick Berg's blood, did not.
7.62FullMetalJacket
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It is all a conspiracy to defuse the prison scandal. 
The US gave him up for execution working in collusion with AL Qaeda to further the war effort.
Bush and Co. orchestrated the execution using Cheney and his ties to Haliburton.
Did I miss anything?
Oh yeah. If Bush hadn't started the illegitimate war and run the economy into the ground with tax cuts, then young Nickie wouldn't have been "forced" to go to Iraq.
Berg went to Iraq on his own. He assumed the risk. Apparently the US tried to both warn him and extricate him. I do not know why he was warned nor do I know why he was "selected," but I do know that he made his decisions based on free will.
The old man is off the deep end, and rightfully so. But still off the deep end.
The US gave him up for execution working in collusion with AL Qaeda to further the war effort.
Bush and Co. orchestrated the execution using Cheney and his ties to Haliburton.
Did I miss anything?
Oh yeah. If Bush hadn't started the illegitimate war and run the economy into the ground with tax cuts, then young Nickie wouldn't have been "forced" to go to Iraq.
Berg went to Iraq on his own. He assumed the risk. Apparently the US tried to both warn him and extricate him. I do not know why he was warned nor do I know why he was "selected," but I do know that he made his decisions based on free will.
The old man is off the deep end, and rightfully so. But still off the deep end.
Joe Demko
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Frankly, I'm in awe. This thread proves once and for all that there is nothing that some of you can't twist/distort/dragoon into being John Kerry's fault. The gratuitous charges of treason and communism were just the sprinkles on top. Classic material. Classic.
Thumper
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And you don't find it equally ironic that this moonbeam finds some way to blame Bush for his son's traipsing about in a war zone?
Different world views I guess...
Different world views I guess...
Joe Demko
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You know whose fault I think it was? Several people's. Berg for being idiot enough to go on walkabout in a war zone. The guy with the knife for doing the deed. The present administration doesn't share in the blame, though they've done enough things wrong that I've no love for them. Berg's dad may, possibly, be temporarily insane with grief. We'll see as time passes.
Thumper
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I don't disagree.
w4rma
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Is it any wonder Berg's dad can't stand Bush? They locked his son up in Iraq and later his son winds up all over the internet having his head chopped off by Al Queda. Then Bush/Rumsfeld refuse to let him even pick up his body when it arrives in the U.S. 
And beyond that, ShrubCo is using Berg's death for political gain to help divert attention away from some of the most blatant scandals in American history.
Was Berg in U.S. custody? Answers conflict
Friday, May 14, 2004 Posted: 1353 GMT (2153 HKT)
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A coalition spokesman said Friday that U.S. military police may have been at the Iraqi facility where Nicholas Berg was held before his murder, but he insisted that Berg was never in U.S. custody, as others believe.
"To our knowledge, he was detained by the Iraqi police in Mosul," coalition spokesman Dan Senor told CNN. "He was in Iraqi police custody. He was met by U.S. officials, he was visited three times by the FBI, but at all times, he was in Iraqi custody."
"I think some of the confusion emanates from the fact that a number of the detention facilities throughout the country, there are American MPs who play a support role there," Senor added. "But it doesn't detract from the fact it's still an Iraqi facility, and I think once we do a little more investigating we can hope to provide more clarity."
Iraqi authorities said Thursday they held the American civilian only briefly before handing him over to U.S. troops, police sources in Mosul said Thursday.
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Berg's body arrived Wednesday at Dover Air Force Base in Delaware. His parents had requested permission to be at the base when the coffin arrived, but that request was denied. Sen. Arlen Specter, R-Pennsylvania, said Thursday that refusal came from the Department of Defense.
http://edition.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/05/14/iraq.berg/
And beyond that, ShrubCo is using Berg's death for political gain to help divert attention away from some of the most blatant scandals in American history.
Was Berg in U.S. custody? Answers conflict
Friday, May 14, 2004 Posted: 1353 GMT (2153 HKT)
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A coalition spokesman said Friday that U.S. military police may have been at the Iraqi facility where Nicholas Berg was held before his murder, but he insisted that Berg was never in U.S. custody, as others believe.
"To our knowledge, he was detained by the Iraqi police in Mosul," coalition spokesman Dan Senor told CNN. "He was in Iraqi police custody. He was met by U.S. officials, he was visited three times by the FBI, but at all times, he was in Iraqi custody."
"I think some of the confusion emanates from the fact that a number of the detention facilities throughout the country, there are American MPs who play a support role there," Senor added. "But it doesn't detract from the fact it's still an Iraqi facility, and I think once we do a little more investigating we can hope to provide more clarity."
Iraqi authorities said Thursday they held the American civilian only briefly before handing him over to U.S. troops, police sources in Mosul said Thursday.
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Berg's body arrived Wednesday at Dover Air Force Base in Delaware. His parents had requested permission to be at the base when the coffin arrived, but that request was denied. Sen. Arlen Specter, R-Pennsylvania, said Thursday that refusal came from the Department of Defense.
http://edition.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/05/14/iraq.berg/
RepublicanMan
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Any chance you'll be committing suicide sometime soon?
Thumper
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As is well documented, w4, the U.S. told the kid to go home and even offered to fly him.
Strolling around a war zone amongst the sworn enemies of your country is always a bad idea.
Strolling around a war zone amongst the sworn enemies of your country is always a bad idea.
w4rma
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"checking him out" = detaining him, an American citizen, for over a week without being charged or access to a lawyer.
As Berg's father says, "I don't think this administration is committed to democracy."
As for whether he was offered a flight home, his father said that he didn't accept it because he felt it, at the time of his release, too dangerous to travel to the Baghdad airport.
As Berg's father says, "I don't think this administration is committed to democracy."
As for whether he was offered a flight home, his father said that he didn't accept it because he felt it, at the time of his release, too dangerous to travel to the Baghdad airport.
longeyes
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It's well known that John Kerry has, if nothing else, a nose for blood.
7.62FullMetalJacket
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The question is not whether Bush Co. held the knife, it is whether Berg was a victim or a useful idiot. There is way too much wierdness in this story to make a call. Even to think that he may have had some other motive for being there is chilling.
fix
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Thumper
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As a brief exercise in critical thinking, why doesn't that hold water?
A further question: Are Al Qaeda members in Iraq a valid target for the U.S.?
Please answer both.
Sergeant Bob
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe Bush had anything to do with the eradication of most Native Americans. To equate Abu Gharaib with the systematic slaughter of the majority of the inhabitants of this land is ludicrious and is an insult to those on whom those acts were committed.
But it wasn't too dangerous to continue wandering around in a war zone full of Islamofascists bent on the destruction of all Jews (which Nicholas Berg was) and Americans (which Nicholas Berg was also)?
I'm sorry for Mr. Berg's loss.
However, it was the terrorists that killed his son, not anyone else.
The US government did not send his son in harm's way, and they did offer him help getting out of harm's way.
I understand that he's upset about his son's death, and he has every right to rant.
I have much less respect for those that try and make something more out of this than the rantings of a grieving parrent.
However, it was the terrorists that killed his son, not anyone else.
The US government did not send his son in harm's way, and they did offer him help getting out of harm's way.
I understand that he's upset about his son's death, and he has every right to rant.
I have much less respect for those that try and make something more out of this than the rantings of a grieving parrent.
7.62FullMetalJacket
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He didn't call before he did call or,
He didn't call, his family called.
XavierBreath
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A grieving parent will say almost anything, no matter how irrational it is to try to find a reason for a child's death. In an incident like this, a horrendous murder, the parent will invariably try to assign blame.
How do we not know that Nick Berg was there working with Al Quaida, trying to infiltrate the rebuilding process? When he could not, Al Quaida used him for propaganda and to silence what they were doing. His ties to 9/11 are awful strange. I have a feeling this story is just beginning.
I say the father is to blame. He should have raised a more intelligent son. The Bush administration is not tasked with protecting Nick Berg. Nick Berg is.
If Nick Berg had climbed into a pool of crocodiles, would Daddy be blaming the fellow who sells concessions at the zoo?
I give the father a lot of slack because he is grieving, but sooner or later he will have to come to terms with the fact he raised an idiot.
How do we not know that Nick Berg was there working with Al Quaida, trying to infiltrate the rebuilding process? When he could not, Al Quaida used him for propaganda and to silence what they were doing. His ties to 9/11 are awful strange. I have a feeling this story is just beginning.
I say the father is to blame. He should have raised a more intelligent son. The Bush administration is not tasked with protecting Nick Berg. Nick Berg is.
If Nick Berg had climbed into a pool of crocodiles, would Daddy be blaming the fellow who sells concessions at the zoo?
I give the father a lot of slack because he is grieving, but sooner or later he will have to come to terms with the fact he raised an idiot.
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I'm shocked that you're shocked Golgo. I was not implying that John Kerry was at fault for Nick Berg's death. It is very reasonable to think that Kerry has no qualms about exploiting the situation.
VVAW, ANSWER, what is the difference? Kerry was one of the leaders of a lying organization peppered with communists and symps. Berg is a member of ANSWER, which is a front for the Stalinist Workers World Party, a small political sect that years ago split from the Socialist Workers Party to support the Soviet invasion of Hungary in 1956. The party advocates socialist revolution and abolishing private property.
What could Berg and Kerry possibly have in common in their world views?
I am sorry that Nick Berg was decapitated. I do think that his father dishonors his memory.
Michael Berg pops off
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Berg's father blames Bush
R. JONATHAN TULEYA , Staff Writer 05/14/2004
Michael Berg lashed out at President George W. Bush and his administration during his first public comments since his son, Nick Berg, was murdered by al-Qaida terrorists.
"Nicholas Berg died for the sins of George Bush and Donald Rumsfeld," Michael Berg said. "The al-Qaida people are probably just as bad as they are, but this administration did this."
Probably just as bad? This administration did this? Moral relativism at its kookiest.
The 20-minute, impromptu briefing took place outside the family’s home on the 1200 block of Estate Drive, West Whiteland, on Thursday morning.
"This is an administration that allows something that they arrogantly called the Patriot Act to strip away America, to make America not the America that I grew up in," Berg continued. "It was a coup d’etat. At first a bloodless coup d’etat, but unfortunately afterward it has become very bloody."
On the front lawn of the Bergs’ home was a blue sign with that read: War is not the answer.
Michael Berg said he posted the sign there. It belonged to an organization called ANSWER, which is an acronym for Act Now to Stop the War and End Racism.
Berg has been a member of the group, he said, since participating in a rally in Washington, D.C., in March 2003.
"It is something that I am not ashamed of. I am proud of it."
He continued, "I think stopping the war and ending racism are extremely important things that this world has to do right now. I am proud to be a member of ANSWER and I plan to be at the march on June 5.
"I know it is considered a radical group," Berg said. "but I want to ask: Radical as compared to what? The Bush administration? I’ll be radical."
Berg also directed a question to the president.
"I would like to ask George Bush a question. I would like to ask him if it is true that al-Qaida offered to trade my son’s life for the life of another person," Berg said.
"And if that is true. I need that information ... and I think the rest of the people of the United States of America need to know what the fate of their sons and daughters might be in the hands of the Bush administration," he said.
Nick Berg, 26, was killed by terrorists associated with al-Qaida. A video of the execution was broadcast on a Islamic militant Web site shortly afterward. Other reports state his body was found hanging from a bridge outside Baghdad.
U.S. intelligence officials have confirmed that terrorist leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi was the person shown on a video beheading Nick Berg, according to the Associated Press. Officials analyzed the voice on the video, a CIA official said Thursday.
Berg had traveled to Iraq alone earlier this year seeking work for his company, Prometheus Methods Tower Services, which specializes in building communications towers.
The family has scheduled a memorial service today at Congregation Kesher Israel, 1000 Pottstown Pike, in West Goshen. It is for family and friends only.
Michael Berg also told reporters he could prove his son was in U.S. custody during his 13 days of detention in Iraq.
I have a written statement from the state department in Baghdad ... I have it as an e-mail," Berg said. "I think an e-mail is pretty good proof because it has all the dates and whatnot on it, saying that my son was being held by military."
He did confirm that Iraqi police arrested Nick Berg on March 24. At the time, Michael Berg said his son had been traveling in a taxi cab in Mosul late at night.
Berg since has blamed the United States for not taking control of his son and ensuring he boarded his scheduled March 30 flight home on Royal Jordanian Airlines.
By all accounts I read, Nick Berg was offered a flight out and refused.
"Let me ask you this: Does Washington think the American public is so stupid as to believe that the Iraqi police tell the FBI what to do? I don’t think so," Berg said. "I don’t think we’re that stupid, I really don’t."
The Associated Press reported Berg produced the e-mail correspondences he had with Beth A. Payne, of the U.S. consular office in Iraq, stating that Nick Berg was in U.S. custody
A State Department spokeswoman said Thursday night, according to the Associated Press, that the diplomat in Baghdad had been given erroneous information by the U.S.-led Coalition Provisional Authority when she e-mailed the Berg family.
U.S. Rep. Jim Gerlach, R-6th, of Upper Uwchlan, provided Berg and the Daily Local News with a copy of a letter he sent to Secretary of State Colin L. Powell, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld and the directors of the FBI and CIA on Wednesday.
It asked for specific information about Nick Berg’s detention in Iraq, including when he had been released and his interaction with government officials.
"We have not yet gotten any calls back by the agencies," Gerlach said on Wednesday.
The FBI had provided him with a press release containing widely reported information about Nick Berg’s whereabouts on various dates.
The congressman said it is premature to call for a federal investigation and that he would give the various agencies time to collect all the information.
He did not defend Bush against Berg’s criticisms.
"Whatever conclusions people want to draw is up to them," Gerlach said. "It is my responsibility to try to help them get answers to their very legitimate questions. Otherwise he certainly has every right to express his opinion on this matter."
Berg also used took time Thursday to shine more light on the personality of his son.
He said Nick Berg did not drink, use drugs or gamble.
"He didn’t have any bad habits," Michael Berg said. "His only addiction was high places. He liked to climb."
Nick Berg learned to work on communication towers -- often as tall as 1,700 feet -- while employed at a Texas company. That is also where he developed his affection for President Bush, who was then the governor of Texas at the time.
"He came home saying nothing but positive things about George Bush," Michael Berg said. "and to the day that he left (for Iraq) he said nothing but positive things about him. And I’m sure to the moment he died he felt nothing but positive things about him."
Michael Berg added, "On this we disagreed vehemently."
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What shocks me is that any gun owner could support Kerry after his March votes during the Manufacturer's Liability fight.:banghead:
I'm shocked that you're shocked Golgo. I was not implying that John Kerry was at fault for Nick Berg's death. It is very reasonable to think that Kerry has no qualms about exploiting the situation.
VVAW, ANSWER, what is the difference? Kerry was one of the leaders of a lying organization peppered with communists and symps. Berg is a member of ANSWER, which is a front for the Stalinist Workers World Party, a small political sect that years ago split from the Socialist Workers Party to support the Soviet invasion of Hungary in 1956. The party advocates socialist revolution and abolishing private property.
What could Berg and Kerry possibly have in common in their world views?
I am sorry that Nick Berg was decapitated. I do think that his father dishonors his memory.
Michael Berg pops off
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Berg's father blames Bush
R. JONATHAN TULEYA , Staff Writer 05/14/2004
Michael Berg lashed out at President George W. Bush and his administration during his first public comments since his son, Nick Berg, was murdered by al-Qaida terrorists.
"Nicholas Berg died for the sins of George Bush and Donald Rumsfeld," Michael Berg said. "The al-Qaida people are probably just as bad as they are, but this administration did this."
Probably just as bad? This administration did this? Moral relativism at its kookiest.
The 20-minute, impromptu briefing took place outside the family’s home on the 1200 block of Estate Drive, West Whiteland, on Thursday morning.
"This is an administration that allows something that they arrogantly called the Patriot Act to strip away America, to make America not the America that I grew up in," Berg continued. "It was a coup d’etat. At first a bloodless coup d’etat, but unfortunately afterward it has become very bloody."
On the front lawn of the Bergs’ home was a blue sign with that read: War is not the answer.
Michael Berg said he posted the sign there. It belonged to an organization called ANSWER, which is an acronym for Act Now to Stop the War and End Racism.
Berg has been a member of the group, he said, since participating in a rally in Washington, D.C., in March 2003.
"It is something that I am not ashamed of. I am proud of it."
He continued, "I think stopping the war and ending racism are extremely important things that this world has to do right now. I am proud to be a member of ANSWER and I plan to be at the march on June 5.
"I know it is considered a radical group," Berg said. "but I want to ask: Radical as compared to what? The Bush administration? I’ll be radical."
Berg also directed a question to the president.
"I would like to ask George Bush a question. I would like to ask him if it is true that al-Qaida offered to trade my son’s life for the life of another person," Berg said.
"And if that is true. I need that information ... and I think the rest of the people of the United States of America need to know what the fate of their sons and daughters might be in the hands of the Bush administration," he said.
Nick Berg, 26, was killed by terrorists associated with al-Qaida. A video of the execution was broadcast on a Islamic militant Web site shortly afterward. Other reports state his body was found hanging from a bridge outside Baghdad.
U.S. intelligence officials have confirmed that terrorist leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi was the person shown on a video beheading Nick Berg, according to the Associated Press. Officials analyzed the voice on the video, a CIA official said Thursday.
Berg had traveled to Iraq alone earlier this year seeking work for his company, Prometheus Methods Tower Services, which specializes in building communications towers.
The family has scheduled a memorial service today at Congregation Kesher Israel, 1000 Pottstown Pike, in West Goshen. It is for family and friends only.
Michael Berg also told reporters he could prove his son was in U.S. custody during his 13 days of detention in Iraq.
I have a written statement from the state department in Baghdad ... I have it as an e-mail," Berg said. "I think an e-mail is pretty good proof because it has all the dates and whatnot on it, saying that my son was being held by military."
He did confirm that Iraqi police arrested Nick Berg on March 24. At the time, Michael Berg said his son had been traveling in a taxi cab in Mosul late at night.
Berg since has blamed the United States for not taking control of his son and ensuring he boarded his scheduled March 30 flight home on Royal Jordanian Airlines.
By all accounts I read, Nick Berg was offered a flight out and refused.
"Let me ask you this: Does Washington think the American public is so stupid as to believe that the Iraqi police tell the FBI what to do? I don’t think so," Berg said. "I don’t think we’re that stupid, I really don’t."
The Associated Press reported Berg produced the e-mail correspondences he had with Beth A. Payne, of the U.S. consular office in Iraq, stating that Nick Berg was in U.S. custody
A State Department spokeswoman said Thursday night, according to the Associated Press, that the diplomat in Baghdad had been given erroneous information by the U.S.-led Coalition Provisional Authority when she e-mailed the Berg family.
U.S. Rep. Jim Gerlach, R-6th, of Upper Uwchlan, provided Berg and the Daily Local News with a copy of a letter he sent to Secretary of State Colin L. Powell, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld and the directors of the FBI and CIA on Wednesday.
It asked for specific information about Nick Berg’s detention in Iraq, including when he had been released and his interaction with government officials.
"We have not yet gotten any calls back by the agencies," Gerlach said on Wednesday.
The FBI had provided him with a press release containing widely reported information about Nick Berg’s whereabouts on various dates.
The congressman said it is premature to call for a federal investigation and that he would give the various agencies time to collect all the information.
He did not defend Bush against Berg’s criticisms.
"Whatever conclusions people want to draw is up to them," Gerlach said. "It is my responsibility to try to help them get answers to their very legitimate questions. Otherwise he certainly has every right to express his opinion on this matter."
Berg also used took time Thursday to shine more light on the personality of his son.
He said Nick Berg did not drink, use drugs or gamble.
"He didn’t have any bad habits," Michael Berg said. "His only addiction was high places. He liked to climb."
Nick Berg learned to work on communication towers -- often as tall as 1,700 feet -- while employed at a Texas company. That is also where he developed his affection for President Bush, who was then the governor of Texas at the time.
"He came home saying nothing but positive things about George Bush," Michael Berg said. "and to the day that he left (for Iraq) he said nothing but positive things about him. And I’m sure to the moment he died he felt nothing but positive things about him."
Michael Berg added, "On this we disagreed vehemently."
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What shocks me is that any gun owner could support Kerry after his March votes during the Manufacturer's Liability fight.:banghead:
Master Blaster
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OK rocket science boy what was the safe route out of Iraq for Mr. Berg if an armed escort to a secure airport was too dangerous????
Given the fact that he was Jewish and an American traveling with no armed security and he had an Israeli stamp on his passport.
He could not have entered or left the country via Saudi Arabia or Kuwait (no Jews allowed, especially with an Israeli Visa stamp), Syria would have been out, Iran maybe? Or maybe he just Beamed himself into Iraq, and was going to beam himself out until George Bush and Dick Chenney and Haliburton took his space beanie away.
Mr. Berg is responsible for his own fate 50% the other 50% was the ??????? who killed him.
Its sad that he was killed but the Terrorists killed him not the US military and not the US government, irregardless of what you or any of the 7:00 News commentators think of our current administration.
OK rocket science boy what was the safe route out of Iraq for Mr. Berg if an armed escort to a secure airport was too dangerous????
Given the fact that he was Jewish and an American traveling with no armed security and he had an Israeli stamp on his passport.
He could not have entered or left the country via Saudi Arabia or Kuwait (no Jews allowed, especially with an Israeli Visa stamp), Syria would have been out, Iran maybe? Or maybe he just Beamed himself into Iraq, and was going to beam himself out until George Bush and Dick Chenney and Haliburton took his space beanie away.
Mr. Berg is responsible for his own fate 50% the other 50% was the ??????? who killed him.
Its sad that he was killed but the Terrorists killed him not the US military and not the US government, irregardless of what you or any of the 7:00 News commentators think of our current administration.
Thumper
Member
The term "space beanie" made me hork up part of my lunch.
That was hilarious.
That was hilarious.
Langenator
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OK, now Mr Berg the Elder and Still Living wants to know if there was any offer to trade his son for some terrorist(s) we may have, presumably at Gitmo. And, of course, if the terrorists did make any such offer, sincere or not, then he'll blame Bush for not making the trade.
Despite the fact that the stated policy of the U.S. government is not to negotiate with terrorists. That policy has existed for years, at least since Reagan, probably at least since Nixon, and maybe even since Jefferson got sick of the Barbary pirates. It's Bush's fault, since Nick Berg was so damn special that we should change our whole government policy.
Mr Berg, I know you're grieving, but your son did a whole lot that helped get him killed. An American Jew, with an Israeli stamp on his passport, who apparently didn't speak Arabic, didn't bother to hire a regular full-time driver/translator, went walking around Iraq in his muscle shirts basically advertising that he was an American, with no protection. Either he was doing something with the BGs that he thought would keep him safe, up until he was more useful to them dead than alive, or he was just plain foolhardy.
OK, now Mr Berg the Elder and Still Living wants to know if there was any offer to trade his son for some terrorist(s) we may have, presumably at Gitmo. And, of course, if the terrorists did make any such offer, sincere or not, then he'll blame Bush for not making the trade.
Despite the fact that the stated policy of the U.S. government is not to negotiate with terrorists. That policy has existed for years, at least since Reagan, probably at least since Nixon, and maybe even since Jefferson got sick of the Barbary pirates. It's Bush's fault, since Nick Berg was so damn special that we should change our whole government policy.
Mr Berg, I know you're grieving, but your son did a whole lot that helped get him killed. An American Jew, with an Israeli stamp on his passport, who apparently didn't speak Arabic, didn't bother to hire a regular full-time driver/translator, went walking around Iraq in his muscle shirts basically advertising that he was an American, with no protection. Either he was doing something with the BGs that he thought would keep him safe, up until he was more useful to them dead than alive, or he was just plain foolhardy.
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