NM governor "suspends" open & concealed carry of firearms in Albuquerque

[herrwalther]

There needs to be severe punishment, from the courts, from lawsuits for this action. If nothing is done, other local governments will come up with "emergencies" to justify feel good gun control nonsense.

 

[old lady new shooter]

NAGR has already filed suit, with one of their members who lives in Albuquerque joining them.

One interesting point from the article: "Bernalillo County District Attorney Sam Bregman, who once served as a Democratic party leader and was appointed by Lujan Grisham, on Saturday joined Albuquerque Mayor Tim Keller and Police Chief Harold Medina saying they wouldn’t enforce the order."

Group sues after New Mexico governor suspends right to carry guns in Albuquerque in public

New Mexico Gov. Michelle Lujan Grisham’s emergency order suspending the right to carry firearms in public in and around Albuquerque has drawn an immediate court challenge Saturday from a gun-rights group.

apnews.com

 

[kidneyboy]

The governor said in a news conference that her duty to uphold the Constitution was "not absolute". A problematic statement coming from someone who has sworn to uphold the Constitution.

local governments will come up with "emergencies" to justify

The mostly successful test run for that happened a few years ago.

 

[jstert]

from time to time this most worthy document is worth careful consideration…

Declaration of Independence: A Transcription | National Archives

www.archives.gov

as for our constitution, most elected and appointed officials simply swear to uphold it (and the particular state’s, if a local official). but how many of them actually read it? i propose, just as certain christian denominations profess the nicene creed as an article of their faith, that officials are made to publicly read aloud, and positively affirm to, each of our bill of rights, upon being sworn into office. words do matter.

 

[jmr40]

I sign on to Twitter most days to read, never post anything and rarely comment. There are a lot of people who post there that are very much in favor of stricter gun laws. But every single post or comment I've seen there opposes this. Even those people are saying this isn't the right way.

 

[hso]

State and local governments have temporarily suspended or limited constitutionally guaranteed rights during declared emergencies before. Hurricane Katrina in 2005 is a prime example during which the 2A was suspended in some affected states. That resulted in several states, mine included, putting "Katrina" laws on the books specifically preventing state and local officials from suspending sales and carry of firearms during such emergencies.

To my knowledge, no governor has suspended constitutional rights in just a community without a declared state of emergency before.

 

[GEM]

Never forget that emergency moral panics can even cause Scotus to go along. Look at the Japanese internment. While a touch of topic it is cautionary. If the NM Gov had determined that the crime wave was restricted primarily to one population subset and tried to pass a curfew, ban on the street measure - might have worked before the 1960's not now. However, a gun ban works for some as the 2nd Amend is not seen as a universal, accepted right. There are no absoluted, defined rights, it is all social interpretation despite bleats of 'God given', all men are created equal, etc.

While this will expire, it will be interesting to see if it renewed and folks are going to court. My dream is that Scotus sees these shenanigans and establishes a very quick path for 2nd A right unlike their glacial, procedural BS now.

 

[danmc]

She has defended her decision by saying that "No constitutional right, in my view, including my oath, is intended to be absolute". I wonder how many other government officials share her position.

This has become an ingrained attitude with politicians- those who govern no longer feel bound by our written constitutions and justify their tyrannical policies by claiming that rights are not absolute.

 

[wgp]

And note the comment that it's all OK "if it just saves one life". I'm so sick of that phrase. Have any of the people who use that line ever applied that "logic" to support being armed "just in case it might save just one life"?

 

[GEM]

She is correct about that. We've discussed this. The scope of rights is determined by the social circumstance and what the courts and legislatures will go along with - determined by the social circumstance and individual views of the Justices and legislatures. Been that way throughout our history.

Bruen and Heller weren't 9 to zip decisions. Free speech - from England, the home of our democracy - they just banned ads for artisanal cheese on the subways as it has too much fat and is thus bad for you. Posters of guy holding some wheels of cheese were taken down. If it saves one person - NO cheese for you.

 

[doubleh]

Impeachment won't happen. State government is controlled by liberal and ultral liberal Democrats so just forget about it.

No state police sighted? The majority work around Santa Fe and Albuquerque where most of the state's crime occurs. My county is over three times the size of the nation's smallest state and there are five officers assigned to this county. It is also one of the smaller counties in the state. NM is the fifth largest state in the nation and it is scarcely populated except for the Rio Grande corridor. That means very few state cops to patrol almost 122,000 square miles. The fifth largest city in the state is in the southeastern quarter and only has about 48,000 population.

 

[D.B. Cooper]

She's doing this for a reason but exactly what the reason is we're not sure.

When is the next House or Senate race in NM? That's what she is up to.

 

[Mk-211]

Albuquerque D.A. Will Not Enforce NM Governor's Concealed Carry Ban

Bernalillo County District Attorney Sam Bregman made clear he will not be enforcing New Mexico Gov. Michelle Lujan Grisham's (D) 30-day ban on concealed carry.

www.breitbart.com

Link for DA saying he won't prosecute.

 

[wayneinFL]

State and local governments have temporarily suspended or limited constitutionally guaranteed rights during declared emergencies before. Hurricane Katrina in 2005 is a prime example during which the 2A was suspended in some affected states. That resulted in several states, mine included, putting "Katrina" laws on the books specifically preventing state and local officials from suspending sales and carry of firearms during such emergencies.

To my knowledge, no governor has suspended constitutional rights in just a community without a declared state of emergency before.

Her contention is that gun violence itself was grounds for declaring a state of emergency, and she declared it.

 

[kje54]

Her contention is that gun violence itself was grounds for declaring a state of emergency, and she declared it.

Yeah but unfortunately for her by doing so she not only violated the US Constitution she violated the New Mexico Constitution. And said she'd let her personal ideology override her pledge of office again if she had to. That last one is unconscionable, none of us have the right to surplant our oaths with our ideologies.

 

[trackskippy]

So, will she be removed and prosecuted, and at all levels? Or is this just going to be more of the same that we've been seeing for about ever now, nationwide?

Nevermind....

 

[nick22]

Could she be arrested for openly violating her constituents civil rights? I don't think impeachment is serious enough to show would be dictators that the bill of rights is absolute. This is a probe from commies slam the door shut!

 

[usaral63]

She is correct about that. We've discussed this. The scope of rights is determined by the social circumstance and what the courts and legislatures will go along with - determined by the social circumstance and individual views of the Justices and legislatures. Been that way throughout our history.

Bruen and Heller weren't 9 to zip decisions. Free speech - from England, the home of our democracy - they just banned ads for artisanal cheese on the subways as it has too much fat and is thus bad for you. Posters of guy holding some wheels of cheese were taken down. If it saves one person - NO cheese for you.

Sorry fella, but your take is extremely NY centric. It never ceases to confound me when commentary on blatant usurpation of Constitutionally articulated rights are viewed by the deep blue state denizens as 'understandable' due the perspective of the left. Sorry , but I refuse to accept that point of perspective and I hold that giving it credibility in any form is destructive to our core structure and belief system.........NY, Calif. and others of their ilk have done more than enough damage and ought not be excused in any fashion.........even inadvertently.

Frankly, it most seems that those that have grown up and live in those outliers are truly brainwashed..........they may disagree with their governments policy, but their disagreement is at best hesitant and fearful !

 

[CapnMac]

So, will she be removed and prosecuted, and at all levels?

Probably not. Term-limited already, and the EO will expire in like 22 days, probably about 40-50 days faster than an Impeachment could occur.
Which will (probably) make it a non-issues or "not worth bothering with."

That's not "Right" but the real world is a horribly pragmatic sort of place, and that can gloss over proper rectitude. Life is complicated that way.

 

[old lady new shooter]

A problematic statement

Understatement of the century.

 

[old lady new shooter]

i propose, just as certain christian denominations profess the nicene creed as an article of their faith, that officials are made to publicly read aloud, and positively affirm to, each of our bill of rights, upon being sworn into office.

I love this idea! Can we start a campaign or something?

 

[old lady new shooter]

"Katrina" laws on the books specifically preventing state and local officials from suspending sales and carry of firearms during such emergencies.

Thank G-d, AZ also has this.

 

[Mk-211]

Here's what AZ Dems think about this situation!

 

[AlexanderA]

When is the next House or Senate race in NM? That's what she is up to.

Going after guns in New Mexico is a losing proposition. Same in Texas. Beto O'Rourke sealed his political fate when he blurted out "Hell yes, we're going to take your guns." He'll never be elected dogcatcher in Texas.

Grisham knows this. Therefore, further political office is not her goal here. Maybe she's angling for a high-paid executive position with Giffords or Everytown. Or going on lucrative nationwide antigun lecture tours.

 

[AlexanderA]

Here's what AZ Dems think about this situation!

Then the Arizona Democrats must have a political death wish. Arizona is on the knife edge politically. Going on an overt antigun crusade will cost them the state next year, and with it the Presidency.

Even David Hogg thinks the NM Governor has overreached!