Everyone says buy a sigma or a used mak or a Taurus. If you read tons of people complain about the horrid trigger in the sigma you have to order mak ammo online no Wally world prices and I'm not a huge fan of a lot of the brands that make mak ammo. Taurus has as many guns go back for being defective semi and revolvers. I've owned two hi points and neither ever had a problem I've owned two Taurus that both had issues. I look at it like this there are more than enough companies manufacturing guns that everyone can buy what they like and shouldn't worry about other peoples purchases.
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JR47
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At the lowest common denominator, a gun should be reliable, reasonably accurate, and durable. Despite the wisdom of the Internet Commandos, the High Point actually meets these criteria. Pretty much anything else is OPINION, and we all what that most closely resembles.
The High Point is NOT a CCW gun. Yet, neither is a S&W .500 Magnum with an 8" barrel. Does that make it bad?
I agree with the overriding opinion that a gun in the hand is a lot better than a gun on layaway.
The "great deals on used guns" are becoming harder and harder for many to find. The people looking to spend as little as possible aren't usually the most experienced in the art of examining a used handgun, or even in valuing a used handgun. Buying new, for them, is a better deal.
The High Point is NOT a CCW gun. Yet, neither is a S&W .500 Magnum with an 8" barrel. Does that make it bad?
I agree with the overriding opinion that a gun in the hand is a lot better than a gun on layaway.
The "great deals on used guns" are becoming harder and harder for many to find. The people looking to spend as little as possible aren't usually the most experienced in the art of examining a used handgun, or even in valuing a used handgun. Buying new, for them, is a better deal.
Pietro Beretta
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Some people report that they are great firearms that never fail to feed. Other people have nothing but problems. I have had mixed issues with mine, but im not going to complain for a 150$ gun. Hell this was a gift given to me. I would never buy one, but I still haven't sold the one I have either. I will say I never shoot it anymore, I just have other guns I like more. I would not rely on it, but then again its one of those guns that if something were to ever happen to it, you wouldn't be heartbroken. If I hear someone talking about maybe buying one, I tell them save a 100 more dollars and buy something with a little bit nicer feel used.
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AmEngRifles
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I took one out one night for kicks. A buddy dared me. I waited until it was dark so my friends wouldn't see me leaving the house with her. We didn't go to any of the local hot spots where all my friends hang out. Just a nice dark field out in the country with a case of beer. I tell ya, she got better and better looking as the night went on. Hiccup. Excuse me. I did have an emergency brown bag with me in case any of my buddies had the same idea on using on that field, but never happened. Not sure how she would have reacted if I had to slip that bag on, over my head, not hers. Oh the shame.
She was a bit stiff and a little frigid at first, but once I figured out where to put my finger correctly, she warmed right up. Actually think she was enjoying it!
Anyway, when it was all done and finished, she cleaned up quickly and thanked me for a good time. And I had managed to shoot my loads all over the place.
Don't let anybody tell you an ugly date can't be fun!
She was a bit stiff and a little frigid at first, but once I figured out where to put my finger correctly, she warmed right up. Actually think she was enjoying it!
Anyway, when it was all done and finished, she cleaned up quickly and thanked me for a good time. And I had managed to shoot my loads all over the place.
Don't let anybody tell you an ugly date can't be fun!
Don't worry, until zinc becomes a real valuable metal you will hear hate for the high-point series of pistols. I still plan to buy a 9mm carbine if I can find one. Funny about that. I want a non-pre bubbad gun. SOG? Should have got one a few years ago.
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One is used for personal defense against bears or novelty while the other is mean't for personal defense against humans. It may not be intended for carry but its always nice when it can be used as such.
USAF_Vet
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Fixed that for you. I have no problem carrying my Hi Point. Won't have a problem CC'ing this winter, either, once I get my CPL.
1911Tuner
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Hey! As my old pal Forrest Gump so eloquently put it:
"Ugly is as ugly does."
The ones I've seen have worked fine for the most part, and when they didn't...the problem was usually traced straight to the magazine.
Hi-Points provide an inexpensive way to have an emergency gun in the trunk or the tool box...or several stashed at strategic locations around the homestead. They're offered in serious calibers, and once proven for function...they'll serve the intended purpose just fine.
Not really a pistol that I'd want for a lot of hard use, though many have done that with'em...but for they're perfectly capable of savin' ol' skinny if push comes to push hard.
"Ugly is as ugly does."
The ones I've seen have worked fine for the most part, and when they didn't...the problem was usually traced straight to the magazine.
Hi-Points provide an inexpensive way to have an emergency gun in the trunk or the tool box...or several stashed at strategic locations around the homestead. They're offered in serious calibers, and once proven for function...they'll serve the intended purpose just fine.
Not really a pistol that I'd want for a lot of hard use, though many have done that with'em...but for they're perfectly capable of savin' ol' skinny if push comes to push hard.
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I don't think that is the way they want to, or should, go. The pistols and carbines are all based on the same design, and it's very inexpensive and relatively proven. Nothing against them at all, but that's the money maker for them: inexpensive and serviceable. Anything more complex is like a losing proposition for them.
I tried to find an article I read that talked about the company and interviewed the owner (IIRC), but a Google news search of "Hi-Point Firearms" returns a lot of stories about a lot of different crimes
ok, you called me a slacker so I better get to work...
I hate my hi-point! I hate it because it's ugly, it jams, it's unsafe and it's heavy and because I was a dum@$$ to buy it in the first place and because my conscience won't allow me to sell such a piece of crap. It takes up room in my safe and does me no good. I want my $100 back and the time it took to write this.
I hate my hi-point! I hate it because it's ugly, it jams, it's unsafe and it's heavy and because I was a dum@$$ to buy it in the first place and because my conscience won't allow me to sell such a piece of crap. It takes up room in my safe and does me no good. I want my $100 back and the time it took to write this.
USAF_Vet
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I'll buy it from you. What caliber is it?
RevDerb
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I've had 5 Kia's between my wife and I. Better fit and finish than most mid-point priced American made autos. The 10 yr/100,000 mile warranty initially brought me into the fold. go figure!I wouldn't mind trying a HiPoint 9mm. The company standing behind them 100% is a huge point in their favor.
HEY!
I drive a Kia, have had three of them, and they've been dadgum good cars!
Sothbbbbt!!
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[Sarcasm] If you bought a quality vehicle instead of a junker Kia, you wouldn't have had to buy five of them. [/Sarcasm]
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Which Kia is better "fit and finish" than a "mid-point priced American".
Oh, and High Points are disgusting.
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Deltaboy1984
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Hi Points get the job done and are ugly as sin! I love my HP -45 it does what I want.
Ash
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Go to a mechanics forum and ask about Pittsburg, Great Neck, Duralast, Chinese Stanley, GM, or other socket sets/wrenches sold by Harbor Freight, Autozone, Advanced, or Walmart.
A Hi Point is like a cheap set of Indian wrenches. They are ugly, cheap, and heavy. That they work on a car is good enough for people who buy them. But folks who buy Indian or Chinese wrenches are not professionals nor do they use them extensively.
The no-name real cheapo Chinese tools are crap and break - much like Lorcin/Corbra or Bryco/Jiminez. But some of these are ugly but do work. Think of them as Hi Point. Some are polished and work just fine, like Taurus. But mechanics tend to avoid them.
The Kia is not a good example. They are not made cheaply. There is no car example that works because cheaply-made cars are junk. Though if you think about it, imagine the Yugo returning and becoming popular. Firearms by their rather simple nature allows for a much higher degree of cheapness and remain functioning. The Hi Point is cheaply-made. They are blow-back, single-action striker fired weapons that are not a good idea to keep cocked-and-locked because of the safety on them. But they work fine for the most part. That Indian wrench will work fine for the most part. Folks buy them and like them. Others have not. They get lumped with the other junk pistols because they went through the same bewildering chain of ownership before settling on Hi Point (Stallard, Beemiller, Haskell, Iberia, etc). Some of the earlier incarnations were real junk (I recall a real POS Stallard).
For me, I have also gotten tired of really posting about them - ironic given the length of this post. The vast majority of Hi Point postings are started by very-low post members - and this is across the boards - to the point that I suspect a large percentage of these kinds of posts are started by Hi Point plants and "free advertising." I noticed this a decade ago at Gunboards and have seen it many places. Yet I make no accusations here on this forum lest anyone think I am pointing a finger. I am not. In any case, you want to like your Harbor Freight tools, fine by me. I suppose I'm just not all that interested in talking about them.
A Hi Point is like a cheap set of Indian wrenches. They are ugly, cheap, and heavy. That they work on a car is good enough for people who buy them. But folks who buy Indian or Chinese wrenches are not professionals nor do they use them extensively.
The no-name real cheapo Chinese tools are crap and break - much like Lorcin/Corbra or Bryco/Jiminez. But some of these are ugly but do work. Think of them as Hi Point. Some are polished and work just fine, like Taurus. But mechanics tend to avoid them.
The Kia is not a good example. They are not made cheaply. There is no car example that works because cheaply-made cars are junk. Though if you think about it, imagine the Yugo returning and becoming popular. Firearms by their rather simple nature allows for a much higher degree of cheapness and remain functioning. The Hi Point is cheaply-made. They are blow-back, single-action striker fired weapons that are not a good idea to keep cocked-and-locked because of the safety on them. But they work fine for the most part. That Indian wrench will work fine for the most part. Folks buy them and like them. Others have not. They get lumped with the other junk pistols because they went through the same bewildering chain of ownership before settling on Hi Point (Stallard, Beemiller, Haskell, Iberia, etc). Some of the earlier incarnations were real junk (I recall a real POS Stallard).
For me, I have also gotten tired of really posting about them - ironic given the length of this post. The vast majority of Hi Point postings are started by very-low post members - and this is across the boards - to the point that I suspect a large percentage of these kinds of posts are started by Hi Point plants and "free advertising." I noticed this a decade ago at Gunboards and have seen it many places. Yet I make no accusations here on this forum lest anyone think I am pointing a finger. I am not. In any case, you want to like your Harbor Freight tools, fine by me. I suppose I'm just not all that interested in talking about them.
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Bash away those who wish. (I don't mean here necessarily but anywhere).
I don't have one but I hear they are good.
Look, here's life in the Big City: the people who need to CCW a gun the most are often poor and live in awful, crime-infested neighborhoods. They can't go for the Wilson Combat or even the Sig.
So these guns, and a few other well-made "cheapies" are the only house on the street for some people who really need daily protection.
It irritates me when I hear of lower cost guns that may not be great looking but work fine put down. It's arrogant.
I don't have one but I hear they are good.
Look, here's life in the Big City: the people who need to CCW a gun the most are often poor and live in awful, crime-infested neighborhoods. They can't go for the Wilson Combat or even the Sig.
So these guns, and a few other well-made "cheapies" are the only house on the street for some people who really need daily protection.
It irritates me when I hear of lower cost guns that may not be great looking but work fine put down. It's arrogant.
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Ash
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I think "Well Made" is a stretch. They are "good enough" but would not say "well made." They are cheaply made pistols that work. Most are purchased by people with a limited knowledge of firearms.
Considering that most people who own one have a smart phone and the associated smart phone cell phone plan, the reality is that they could afford a better pistol but choose not to purchase one.
And there are better pistols than a Hi Point. That said, folks can like them. But many Hi Point folks carry a chip on their shoulder every bit as significant as those who look down on them. "Hey, look at my Hi Point, it can do just as well as your expensive pistol, so there!"
Considering that most people who own one have a smart phone and the associated smart phone cell phone plan, the reality is that they could afford a better pistol but choose not to purchase one.
And there are better pistols than a Hi Point. That said, folks can like them. But many Hi Point folks carry a chip on their shoulder every bit as significant as those who look down on them. "Hey, look at my Hi Point, it can do just as well as your expensive pistol, so there!"
They are good inexpensive guns that fill a need. I have had 2 of them. Both brain dead reliable ( tried to make them jam and couldn't) Now that being said, will they hold up to firing 200-1000 rounds a month every month? Probably not... Are they designed for that? no...
Most people who buy those want a gun for home defense or something similar and honestly are not "gun nuts". they don't shoot alot but they want something that will fire when they need to. Heck the people I bought mine from probably shot them 4-5 times a year... And a hi Point did that just fine...
If all the bashers will remember the first Smith and Wesson 380 that came out about 10-15 yrs ago the magazines lauded the greatness of them. They were built just the same as a Jenings, Zinc pot metal.. But, since it was Smith it was better even though Smith said they were good for about 2500-3000 rounds tops.... But, it was a Smith....
Most people who buy those want a gun for home defense or something similar and honestly are not "gun nuts". they don't shoot alot but they want something that will fire when they need to. Heck the people I bought mine from probably shot them 4-5 times a year... And a hi Point did that just fine...
If all the bashers will remember the first Smith and Wesson 380 that came out about 10-15 yrs ago the magazines lauded the greatness of them. They were built just the same as a Jenings, Zinc pot metal.. But, since it was Smith it was better even though Smith said they were good for about 2500-3000 rounds tops.... But, it was a Smith....
Maybe there's less bashing because people are more accepting of inherent cheapness than ever before. Everyone is cheapening their products and people continue buying them. Then they rationalize their decision by posting on the Internet hoping to find some positive reinforcement. Pretty soon AngelSoft will come out with a gun made out of recycled toilet paper rolls wrapped with tin foil and people will buy it, then post about how it is more accurate than they are.
jimk0512
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I don't own one. I have heard from people who own one that they work. They go bang, and the bullet ends up near where you aim.
I think everyone who can legally own a handgun should own one. Right to keep and bear arms. An armed society is a polite society. I would rather see someone owning a Hi Point instead of nothing at all.
I think everyone who can legally own a handgun should own one. Right to keep and bear arms. An armed society is a polite society. I would rather see someone owning a Hi Point instead of nothing at all.
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MCgunner
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I don't hate 'em. I just don't want one, Rugers are affordable to me, and I like Rugers. Lotsa hate for Ruger autos on these boards, though, so you Hi Point guys, don't feel alone. Folks say my Rugers are ugly. See, I like Hi Points because they're uglier than Rugers and I can just point to THEM and say, well.......
Well, I'd consider a Kia....but I really prefer Toyota. Hell, all cars are made of plastic and tin anymore. Might as well own one that'll last 300K miles. Now, I'd rather have a steel or steel/alloy firearm than a zinc gun, but that's just me. I own a zinc gun, but it's just a .22 and not a serious defense gun.
BUT, I'm sure Hi Points have merit to some beyond the cheap price. I could make reference to anchors, but I'll control myself. Seriously, don't worry about what I think if you like shooting the things. All I have is opinions and they're like...well...everyone has one. It's YOU that has to be happy with the gun. And, I guess, ugly guns need love, too.
Lotsa hate for Ruger autos on these boards, though, so you Hi Point guys, don't feel alone. Folks say my Rugers are ugly. See, I like Hi Points because they're uglier than Rugers and I can just point to THEM and say, well.......Well, I'd consider a Kia....but I really prefer Toyota. Hell, all cars are made of plastic and tin anymore.
Might as well own one that'll last 300K miles. Now, I'd rather have a steel or steel/alloy firearm than a zinc gun, but that's just me. I own a zinc gun, but it's just a .22 and not a serious defense gun.BUT, I'm sure Hi Points have merit to some beyond the cheap price. I could make reference to anchors, but I'll control myself.
Seriously, don't worry about what I think if you like shooting the things. All I have is opinions and they're like...well...everyone has one. It's YOU that has to be happy with the gun. And, I guess, ugly guns need love, too. - Status
