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I guess this is the correct forum, as the NRA is our #1 national 2A defender.

Last January I did the "Buy one year, get one year free" membership for myself (you could either get a "free" membership without the magazine & benefits, or pay for the 2nd year and get the magazine and perks for 2 years). Yesterday, I got a renewal package already. Is this their way of hustling me into renewing my membership already or was the BOGO membership benefits dropped?

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I don't know if it's intentional or not, but they never seem to know if I've renewed and send me multiple renewal packages, even months after I've already renewed.
I'm a member (obviously), and I really appreciate what they do, but they sure can be annoying the way they pester you for renewal and try to panic you into donating to them.
 
I get the same package every year. They want you to renew early, especially in an election year.
 
Since we're tossing soem NRA rants out, did you get the survey a couple months ago with the ten or twelve questions that included the kicker, "For your answers to count, you need to send $XX right away!"

That's worse than Jim Crow laws in the old south! I gotta pay for the privilege of belonging to the NRA then gotta pay to get my vote to count in some goofy poll?

Uh-uh...that's the kind of fertilizer that will send my membership renewal dollars elsewhere.

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Some things to consider --

[1] The NRA is the most effective RKBA organization. They have the largest membership of any of them, and they do the best that they can with that membership base. Politics is strictly a numbers game. If the NRA had more members, it could be that much more effective. And those folks who complain about the NRA's so called failures need to tell us who did, or could have, actually accomplished more.

[2] Facts of political life -- politicians don't listen to individual voters and they don't listen to or care much about reason. They care about numbers. One hundred phone calls or letters in support of or against something are better than 10. Ten thousand would be a lot better yet. It doesn't matter what the caller or writer says is the reason to support or oppose the thing. All that matters is the number on each side of the question.

[3] An NRA with 4 million members gets attention. An NRA with 5 million will get more, and an NRA with 10 million members could get some real serious attention. As annoying as the NRA can be, it's in our interests to see it grow and prosper.

[4] Politicians aren't swayed by fine arguments, logical demonstrations or even facts. They are swayed by how many voters (and potential voters and contributors) line up on each side of the question. They are influenced by political and economic power.

[5] Given all that, the NRA does what it reasonably can do in the political climate in which it operates. It can not perform magic. Under the right circumstances, it can, and has, effectively moved affirmative pro-RKBA legislation (like the law protecting gun makers from frivolous law suits and the National Park carry legislation). And sometimes it can block legislation we don't like. But sometimes the political deck is so stacked against our interests, the best we can reasonably expect the NRA to be able to do is help make the best of a bad situation.

[6] It's fine to talk about "no compromise." But remember that he who insists on all or nothing gets nothing. If the votes aren't there they aren't there.

[7] The NRA is at the forefront of shooter education and safety training. Their program for certifying instructors in a variety of disciplines helps make competent training more readily available to the public. And their "Refuse to be a Victim" program is excellent.
 
I don't think anybody is arguing (in this thread at least) against any of those points regarding the NRA (and they are excellent points)...but that doesn't mean that we can't ALSO be annoyed at their pestering of existing members.
 
Gryffydd said:
...but that doesn't mean that we can't ALSO be annoyed at their pestering of existing members.
And I completely agree. But I wanted to get in something positive about the NRA before the usual NRA bashing starts.

I'm a Benefactor Life Member, but somehow I wound up with a couple annual memberships as well. They may have been part of some promotion I wasn't paying attention to. In any case, the NRA keeps trying to get me to renew those annual memberships.

Now as far as I'm aware, my Life Membership hasn't yet expired. Or if it has, I'm way overpaying on my taxes.
 
I think the constant renewal reminders are a way of keeping us on the rolls. I did the BOGO and paid for the extra year for the goodies, and I just got hte big packet that urges me to act before 1/31/10 so I can "make a difference." I'll likely do it, since I can 'upgrade' to a 5 year membership fairly reasonably. Plus, I don't have to worry all the time if my membership is about to lapse.

BTW, I'm still annoyed by the constant mailings, even though the NRA does mucho good for the cause.

And Q, get back to work - you have a lot to do on Thursday and Friday! :neener:
 
I agree, good organization but they need to get efficient

It drives me nuts, I join, they say they'll send some gift, no gift follows, then a very few months later we get a renewal notice. Know several people finally gave up, no more NRA. It's the little things sometimes in the big picture that make the difference.......

PS we went to one of their late fall "dinners and auction" in Osage Beach, MO. Dinner sucked, was expensive, and items to be auctioned were, well...not as advertised.

Only my opinion. Just seems they shoot their selves in the foot over the stuff..

HOw much money do the employees make???? Just curious. If very much, overpaid.
 
My favorite was when they sent me a DVD without my requesting it. They then asked me pay them for it. Then later in the document they said I could mail it back to them if I didn't want to pay for it. Then hidden away in the fine print it said I didn't have to do anything.
Thanks, you're not sending me an uninvited choice between a bill and an errand to run.
 
I haven't gotten the DVD. Yet.

Is it annoying? Sure. Do I wish they didn't have to resort to tactics that make the "Buy 13 CDs for 1 cent" guys blush? Of course. But the flat truth is, I want them using every tactic in the book to raise money to keep their fight. I can keep track of my membership due date, and I'll still round up a couple of bucks to donate when I make a purchase from Midway.

I wish all gun owners would pony up and join. That would be one way to find out if these tactics were still necessary.
 
I wish all gun owners would pony up and join. That would be one way to find out if these tactics were still necessary.
And that's the sad part. They resort to these tactics because they work. If people would just make it easier, maybe they wouldn't stoop so low...
 
And those folks who complain about the NRA's so called failures need to tell us who did, or could have, actually accomplished more.

And that is what we need to remember.

It is just not that difficult to just trow away junk mail, I get a 3 year membership when the time arises, on that year I use the renewal notice. The other years I just "chunk it"

Yes they have their problems, but until someone can answer the above question it really doesn't matter if I have to trow away a piece of junk mail every now and then, it just ain't that big of a deal.
 
You can go to the NRA website and e-mail or call them to stop or at least reduce the amount of renewal type junk mailings they send. I also get endless renewal requests ahead of my time (but I get those from other organizations as well). I just found out about the mailing reduction request and we'll see how well that works.
 
After all these years of membership, I'm now finding out that they didn't just single me out for early renewals. My accountant (read wife) is the one that gets bothered.;)
 
The worst that can happen is you pay them & they tack the additional years onto the end of your membership. I think I'm paid up for six years now since I've taken them up on a couple of their "free gift" offers.
 
I have never understood the animosity of some against the NRA for receiving mail. Just throw it out. If you don't respond to it their system will eventually stop sending you 99% of it. The fact is that many do respond and send in extra money and membership renewals. Numbers are the key and money is the lifeblood of any organization. The NRA is the most efficient and effective lobbying organization in Washington. If they were wasting money by mailing out all the renewals and promotions they would go out of business. On the contrary, it is model they have found to be effective. And thank goodness because they are indeed the 800 pound gorilla in RKBA.

I gotta pay for the privilege of belonging to the NRA then gotta pay to get my vote to count in some goofy poll?

These polls are common in all manner of political fundraising whether it be NRA, the GOP, MoveOn, PETA, etc etc. The poll is a gimmick. It's obviously so because the nature of the questions and possible answers. "Do you believe in the 2nd Amendment right to keep and bear arms?" A. Yes B. No. Thanks now please send a contribution. I don't think anybody really thinks there is some "Poll Department" at NRA where a staff of people tally the responses and forwards to Wayne La Pierre who patiently awaits to see the results before formulating policy.

My point is, if the mailings bother you ignore them. If you've just renewed and you get a notice to renew for an additional year and you don't want to, ignore it. The world will go on. The NRA will continue to be an effective lobbying group. If it bothers you that much and you are losing sleep, cancel your membership and join some more obscure harder-core group with 50,000 members that no one in Washington knows about or listens to.
 
Now as far as I'm aware, my Life Membership hasn't yet expired. Or if it has, I'm way overpaying on my taxes.

Hopefully not on the first, but "goes without saying" on the second.

I recently went in to pay property taxes and the asst. county clerk commented "boy, that's a lot!". To my credit, I merely looked at her stoically thinking a) the county commissioners should fire you on the spot for that remark to a citizen, and b) thank you for pointing out I'm being robbed by my own gvernment you dumb twit!

Having the NRA send me extra mailings is the least of my worries, somewhere below paying Nebraska's part of the Medicaid bills.
 
I would wager that, like most large organizations, they outsource recruiting and collections and those folks likely don't know anything beyond that fact that your name is on their list. I wouldn't take it personally. Like any large social or political organization, the NRA has to keep their numbers up & the coffers filled - as my history teacher used to tell us about dating, "No money, no honey."

My New Year's resolution: A self-imposed "membership tax"; For the rest of this administration, I'll renew my membership every time I buy a new gun, even though it is current. $35 is a pittance compared to what the DC dipshiats would impose on us.
 
I resent the "nickel and dimeing" phone calls I get every month. I spend $25 here and $25 there for the "critical NRA" issues. I can't seem to say "no." I told the last caller that if they quit bugging me, maybe, just maybe I could save enough to become a life member.

They haven't called back...... yet. :rolleyes:
 
Having the NRA send me extra mailings is the least of my worries, somewhere below paying Nebraska's part of the Medicaid bills.

Hear, hear! Along with helping AIG execs, auto companies, new car buyers and let's not forget the big banks!
 
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