NSSF warns of threat to ammunition availability, calls for action

[MrWesson]

People who call others "hoarders" are opposed to private ownership of property. Let's call these people by their true name: COMMUNISTS.

That's right, if you oppose private ownership of property, and call someone a "hoarder", you are a COMMUNIST.

I hope I dont step on anyones toes here. I actually agree with most that hoarding may not be the problem but this statement is stupid. Would you get angry if gas was $10 a gallon or not available because people were storing it in their backyard 800gal tanks? I guess you would shrug it off and ride your bike to work.

 

[Gato Montés]

"Next time I see some .40 cal around here, I'm gonna buy it all up before the hoarders get it."

Y'all are so concerned with semantics. Call it what you want, it's still retarded as all hell. If not me, someone else. Hoard it before the hoarders do. It's this kind of mindset that causes our current shortage to self perpetuate, drawing it out for who knows how long.

It's great that some of you have the extra cash to supply your fortress with a mass stockpile of ammo or make a couple hundred dollar transactions for bulk ammo online, but what about us who cannot afford such? Maybe some of us can only go a few boxes at a time; we buy what we intend to use, maybe a little extra.

Buying up all the ammo on the shelf even though you have stockpiles at home is like giving the middle finger to all your fellow shooters. It may not be hoarding, but it's still bs.

 

[Boba Fett]

Y'all are so concerned with semantics. Call it what you want, it's still retarded as all hell. If not me, someone else. Hoard it before the hoarders do. It's this kind of mindset that causes our current shortage to self perpetuate, drawing it out for who knows how long.

It's great that some of you have the extra cash to supply your fortress with a mass stockpile of ammo or make a couple hundred dollar transactions for bulk ammo online, but what about us who cannot afford such? Maybe some of us can only go a few boxes at a time; we buy what we intend to use, maybe a little extra.

Buying up all the ammo on the shelf even though you have stockpiles at home is like giving the middle finger to all your fellow shooters. It may not be hoarding, but it's still bs.

1) Let's not call it what we want, let's call it what it is. Free market capitalism. Don't like it? Move or just allow our government to keep going on it's current path. Maybe you should introduce some "anti-hording" legislation that limits the amount of ammo you can buy per month.

2) Hording isn't the cause of hording. Preparation for the future based on current events is the cause of hording. Wal-Mart being sold out might be the reason other people get a clue about current events, but they aren't hording because they were out horded. It just means they realized they needed to get in the market with everyone else.

3) My "fortress" has a "stockpile" not because I have a ton of extra cash, but because I made the sacrifice in other areas to afford the ammo. For example, rather than taking a vacation, I used some of the money for ammo. Part of true capitalism is not having a "I want what I want when I want it" attitude or a "It's not fair that person is better off than I am mentality."

4) While I sympathize that you have difficulty finding ammo, so have most of us at one time or another. I haven't always been able to get ammo or at times ammo I wanted (i.e. Federal not Wolf). But guess what, I saved that money and purchased the ammo the next time I found some. So if you want some, keep your eyes open and your money saved up. Check the online places daily. Been to ammunitiontogo.com lately? Pretty good supply right now. Might not be next week. Quick...hoard a little for yourself! Embrace capitalism!

5) Your intended use doesn't really matter. Immediate use does not trump future preparation or vise versa. What you do with your ammo is your business thanks to what we call FREEDOM. You're free to shoot it, free to stockpile it, free to create a pagan religion to the almighty 357 Magnum ammo god and shove rounds where the sun don't shine in worship. Welcome to America comrade.

6) Hey, if you want to feel like you've been flipped off by other people, not much I can do to help your narcissism.

 

[HGUNHNTR]

I buy bulk ammo for calibers I don't have guns for.
I have plenty for the guns I do have
I don't feel one bit sorry for the whiners that didn't see the writing on the wall sooner.

 

[joejoeshooter]

what is hoarding?

I've got:

5,000 .22 lr
2500 9 mm
350 .45 acp
1,000 7.62 x 39
500 .223
150 17 hmr
900 7.62 x 54

several assorted boxes of shotgun stuff.

I don't feel that I have much at all.

Am I hoarding? Just stocked up? I don't really know.

I go out and shoot several times a year.

jjs

 

[Gato Montés]

1) Let's not call it what we want, let's call it what it is. Free market capitalism. Don't like it? Move or just allow our government to keep going on it's current path. Maybe you should introduce some "anti-hording" legislation that limits the amount of ammo...

Lets get one thing straight, I'm not opposed to having a healthy supply of ammo. I applaud all ye who had the foresight and the CASH to do so pre election. I knew what was coming, and you can bet yours that I'd would have been doing the same thing if I could(hell, I'd be doing it without a looming election). But the Obama scare has long since passed. Those who fear what he might do, I'd say a large percentage had things taken care of long ago. What we see now is the Other Shooter scare; the fear that if I don't, someone else will. Is this the case for all those stocking up now; no. But one cannot be blind to this fact.


Aw screw it. FREE MARKET CAPITALISM, FREE MARKET CAPITALISM, FREE MARKET CAPITALISM!!!!!!

 

[cpileri]

what is hoarding?

I've got:

5,000 .22 lr
2500 9 mm
350 .45 acp
1,000 7.62 x 39
500 .223
150 17 hmr
900 7.62 x 54

several assorted boxes of shotgun stuff.

I don't feel that I have much at all.

Am I hoarding? Just stocked up? I don't really know.

I go out and shoot several times a year.

jjs

Relax. My point has always been: right now NO ONE IS HOARDING because neither is ammunition in critical shortage, nor is there a NEED for ammunition.

At this moment, in the United States, no matter ho wmuch ammo you have; you are not hoarding.

Hoarding is only possible when the right combination of: item in question (ammo), supply (and re-supply if resource is consumable), and circumstances (liklihood of using ammo to defend life/limb).

So, relax!
You're OK!

C-

 

[cpileri]

back on track

Maybe we can veer back to the OP's issue.

The proposed law has everything to do with the 'supply' criterion in the 'hoarding' scenario.

If for passage of the Grave's Ammendment, or whatever other reason, supply and certainty of re-supply decreases; then I hope people who take The High Road will have thought in-advance about how much to stock themselves with and what kind of charity they may dole out!

C-

 

[FROGO207]

Ammo supply and demand will even out eventually (next presidential election anyway). In the mean time, the time we don't (can't) spend at our shooting hobby can be spent in a constructive manner. There are going to be more elections and bills/amendments to be voted on before then. The internet is a boon to RKBA enthusiasts as a way to be informed and keep other like minded informed as needed. DO NOT miss an important topic and stay informed as to its contents. Vote for Item/candidate with that goal in mind and if unable to vote LOBBY for that goal as well. You can bet your last breath the antis are doing just that and we can never give up our vigilance in these matters.

The means to the end is INFORMED decisions collectively articulated to those that have the power to make it happen do benefit us all.
One vote can truly make a difference.
IMHO the sheeple do not believe in the one vote philosophy at all and are willing to give up personal freedoms for the illusion of feeling safe. :banghead:
Off the soapbox
Rick

 

[jaholder1971]

Is it me or is NSSF a little slow on the draw on the ammo shortage? It's on year one and NOW they decide to make it an issue?

 

[Webbj0219]

Havent seen any .38 ammo at walmart for about a year and a half now. The guy at the ammo counter said a guy bought the whole shipment last week. all kinds of ammo he wanted the whole shipment. That might be hoarding just a lil.

 

[Lou McGopher]

When there's a shortage of a product, and demand remains high, prices should go up (absent govt price controls). This makes that product more profitable, which should draw new producers to the market (or drive existing producers to increase production). After new producers arrive, supply should trend toward equalizing with demand. Then, prices will drop as demand lowers and producers compete with each other to move inventory.

Prices will not drop if there is an actual shortage in the availability of materials, or if new producers are prohibited from entering the market (usually by govt regulation).

The raw materials needed to make ammo are very abundant. Prices still aren't down to what they were a few years ago. Is govt regulation to blame? Or has it simply not been enough time for new producers to enter the market, or for existing production to catch up with demand?

 

[RP88]

if you're whining about hoarding, then you're only mad that there isn't any ammo available to hoard for yourself. Quite hypocritical, really.

Because, that is how it is working right now: hoarders buy up all ammo they can. People who were frustrated that they couldn't find ammo then hoard whenever possible so that they don't get beat by the first hoarders ever again. That leaves the guy who just likes to buy a box or two a month for his casual practice frustrated, so he then in turn hoards whenever he can find an abundance, and so on, etc.

there is also the fact that contracts come first. I'd imagine that a lot of LE agencies and departments across the country (i.e. the largest group of ammo consumers by far) got hit hard as well, and they are shelling out the money to hoard ammo themselves before you can.

 

[Webbj0219]

All I want is some new ammo I have about 10 shots left that are about 2 years old. Thats enough for my S&W 442 plus one reload. The ammo is starting to tarnish. was wondering if I should polish these bullets before they get too bad. I dont know when I will be able to get some new rounds. I check Wal-mart everyweek when I get groceries and they havent had any for over a year and a half. Thats how bad its getting

 

[Owen]

Webb,

There are gun stores in Manchester...

 

[Webbj0219]

Yeah maybe I could check Rileys. Just figured if walley world was always out then the others would be also. Plus theyll probable charge more

 

[FROGO207]

I just had a friend that came back into the Maine up 95. He stopped at The Kittery Trading Post and Cabellas in Freeport. Said they were rationing primers at Cabellas to 200 per person per day. Said both stores had a lot of assorted ammo but prices were up a little. I would suggest a road trip if you are in that serious need of ammo WEBB. I even drive down to that area from Mount Desert Island a couple or three times a year to stock up on stuff.

 

[fireflyfather]

All the Walmarts in my area are dry for pistol ammo, but most of the gun shops have a decent selection (at 25-40% higher prices, granted).

As for the materials needed for ammunition, I sincerely hope the bill goes through. I still need to buy rimfire and the occasional box of shotshells. As for hoarding, does a big jug of powder and a shelf of primers count?

I buy ammo and components the same way I buy toilet paper and rice: In bulk, when cheap, with the plan to rotate through it, using it when it's expensive, and replenishing stocks when the price comes back down. Now, I still check out the ammo section at wally world, and if I did happen to see a box of bulk rimfire or certain types of shotshells, I wouldn't hesitate to pick up a few to bulk up the stock (since their prices are actually still reasonable compared to the gouging/"market adjustments" other places are wallowing in); hell I might even buy out their supply in one or two calibers/ammo types. Now, if I went around to EVERY Walmart in town and did that, that might be a different kettle of fish.

 

[Webbj0219]

Cabellas, hmmm? Kittery? Havent been there since I lived in Reno. Think I would spend all day in there whenever I went. Sounds like a good excuse for a roadtrip.

 

[noskilz]

Boy am I glad I read this thread about the Graves amendment to HR 4016. Someone must be hoarding the on-topic posts. :banghead: :banghead:

 

[rmmoore]

Hoarding? No such thing. Only YOU can decide when enough is really enough, FOR YOU. Some clibers are loosening up around here, some aren't. Occassionally see .40, 9mm, and once in a while .45 on the shelf, but haven't seen .22 bulk or .38 in MONTHS, and I do mean MONTHS. Ohhh, I've "heard" of them, coming in on the late-night truck, and POOF, gone in an hour after the doors open. And, I've WITNESSED with my own eyes, a full case of 9mm's disappearing in minutes. I personally didn't "need" any, so it didn't matter to me. But hey, I'd rather know it's out there in people's hands than on the shelf. Even if it's not in MY hands. Then again, I didn't wait until the "Hope and Change" fever swept the Nation to begin buying my shooting supplies either.

Procrastination can be a b.tch, not to mention EXPENSIVE. Hopefully, it will be a lesson we won't have to learn again, hopefully. :banghead:

 

[Sudden Impact]

I too, thought this was going to be about the amendment safeguarding ammo availability through HR4016.

How did it become a "hoarding" post?

Let's get back on track...

 

[Bubbles]

Prices will not drop if there is an actual shortage in the availability of materials, or if new producers are prohibited from entering the market (usually by govt regulation).

Getting a Type 06, 07, or 10 FFL, which is required to manufacture ammo for commercial sale, isn't really all that difficult. OTOH finding affordable insurance...

 

[silent flatulence]

I don't know if I'm a hoarder or not. I just searched for 3 weeks at numerous stores state wide and bought up all the .32 magnum ammo I could find. Which turned out to be 2 boxes of semi wadcutters. 40 rounds.

 

[Jonah71]

I don't consider myself a hoarder. I only have about 3000 rounds of various calibers. If I find some at a good price I buy as much as I can afford because I will save $$ in the long run in doing so. But it's led to one unforseen problem. After trading my .357 mag for and old S&W .38 spec. I have over 400 rnds of .357 ammo. Now the only logical thing for me to do is to buy another .357 mag. Oh well, that's what I get for hoarding....even on a very smale scale. Now I've gotta go find some .38 spec. range rounds. And a .357.