Obama set to push for ‘smart gun’ tech despite concerns

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USAF Vet said:
I'm certain I could, but I'd rather not wind up with an infraction. It wasn't meant to be an insult, in any case, but I can't help it if you took it as such.
Perhaps you, yourself, could try a dose of that reading comprehension before YOU blast off.
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Your choice of language was poor,not my reading comp. But enough hot air. I accept the fact you did not mean it as a insult.

Hopefully, this closes the case. :)
 
We are about to get to May, and June - with the political conventions - will follow soon after. Then a long recess as the "Washington Crowd " try to reestablish a more positive relationship with clearly upset and hostile voters before the November election.

Regardless of what the president may try to stir up over guns, both sides, except the usual suspects, are going to ignore him. :uhoh:
 
More importantly on the 2A issue(s), is getting the microphone stuffed into What'sHer Name's faces. Faces meaning, many:neener:. Or perhaps your local candidate for office who is/ is not Pro 2A (Pro long term established Liberty)
 
The printer in my office doesn't work right. So how is smart gun tech ever going to be practical?

If I am not home, and my girlfriend is, I want her to be able to use my firearm to defend herself should someone decide to enter unlawfully. If I get bashed over the head on the street, and she can grab my gun and defend herself with it, I want her to. If a soldier in combat is out of ammo, or his/her weapon is destroyed or separated from their person, I want them to be able to pick up another gun and keep fighting to accomplish the mission, and to get them home safely.

We get angry at politicians for this sort of thing when we shouldn't. These types of pushes are motivated by three possible outcomes as I see it.

1. Ignorance. It's the simple answer, but some folks erroneously believe this will help, when it wont. People will find a way to get guns illegally, and disable the smart tech. Every computer system, or mechanism can be circumvented. EVERY system. So the end result is higher cost to manufacturers and therefore customers, which will save no lives, and penalize law abiding people.

2. Power. By initiating some grand safety program that removes safety responsibility from the actual operator, stupid and/or lazy people will believe something is being done to really benefit them. Thus they vote for that political party again, and maintain the party's power base. I hate to say it, but both parties do it. The liberals just use the poor as there base, while the conservatives use the middle and upper class. Personally, I like my freedom, and I am willing to work for it, and place the responsibility of my own safety on myself, not law enforcement.

3. It could also be a passive way to demonstrate how guns just can't be allowed. When smart gun tech ultimately fails to make any real difference in the gun death rate, the politicos will use it as a way to say "See! Even with this technology we can't cut gun related deaths meaningfully. That's PROOF that guns need to be outlawed for the sake of the children!" It's just another stepping stone towards control, limitation, and possible confiscation.

The bottom line is that we are fragile creatures, and it doesn't take much to end a human life. People intent on killing will find a way to kill, no matter what laws you enact, or inanimate objects you restrict.

So support the NRA, vote, write your representatives, and carry on. By proving we as a community are reasonable and logical, we will help the people sitting on the fence see the light, that people are the problem, not the thing they are using to do harm.

I doubt anything will come of this.
 
Imaginary person takes 3 "smart" guns to range. Comes home without firing a shot. Not sure if wrist band, gloves or sweat kept him from firing. Cannot find 'smith who does electronics.
 
Which Executive Orders has Obama pushed on guns?

Come on people, we have to be smarter than the average street goon and not buy into the fear and rhetoric and misinformation. This isn't a EO, or anything else, but the release of findings from his previous failed gun control push post Sandy Hook.
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Not executive orders, but certainly administrative appointee Justice Dept. actions that are arguably not within his Constitutional authority. - Operation fast and Furious. Operation Chokepoint. I disagree with dismissing suspicions as "fear mongering" like those whose refrain in the last election was "Nobody is going to take your guns away."

My dogs are not going to take my pork chop off the coffee table because I am watching them staring at it, salivating, and drooling. I tell them "nobody is going to take my pork chop". I am watching them because I know that if I leave the room, or turn my back, they will take my pork if they think they can get away with it, because I know they desperately want to.

Obama is a big dog salivating over your porkchops, and the only think keeping him from taking them is that we are watching with a rolled up newspaper in hand, and if he can't take your porkschop, he'll pee on the couch, or dump on the rug in the other room to create a diversion. Don't fall for it. Eternal Vigilance.
 
Theres a lot of unrealistic expectations from both sides of what smart guns will be able to do . They wont work all the time and you can't shut them off or track them remotely without major engineering and power hurdles being met. I work daily with advanced RFID and short range technology and it works great most of the time but it doesnt have the range some people think it does without throwing a lot of power and bulk at it. I have no doubt that some company somewhere will make smart guns that work almost all the time and can be tracked from mid range distances. They will be large and consume a lot of electricity relative to what they are doing. Now I'll stand back and hear how I am full of crap.
 
yugorpk said:
Theres a lot of unrealistic expectations from both sides of what smart guns will be able to do . They wont work all the time and you can't shut them off or track them remotely without major engineering and power hurdles being met. I work daily with advanced RFID and short range technology and it works great most of the time but it doesnt have the range some people think it does without throwing a lot of power and bulk at it. I have no doubt that some company somewhere will make smart guns that work almost all the time and can be tracked from mid range distances. They will be large and consume a lot of electricity relative to what they are doing. Now I'll stand back and hear how I am full of crap.
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i dont think people are so much concerned with them being tracked so much as they are concerned with them "not working all of the time".....
 
People can say what they want about BHO but you need only look at what he was able to do to the coal industry and energy in general and much of it was by EA/EO and regulatory agencies that he has control over.
He will be a menace until his last breath in office and the will continue to attempt to manipulate any capital he carrys after he leaves office.

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Well, here is the rather non-earth shaking announcement:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2016/04/29/update-what-were-doing-keep-guns-out-wrong-hands

But the real meat of the smart weapon initiative is - probably - found in the report also linked to in that announcement:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/docs/final_report-smart_gun_report.pdf

And I say "probably" because I don't have time at the moment to read and digest all 17 pages of that report. Perhaps someone else has the time and inclination...

And the incredibly clear thinking Ms. Valerie Jarrett - who penned the announcement - does wrap it up by lecturing us thusly:

We will never be able to stop every form of violence, but when we can take action to save even one life, we owe it to every American to do so.
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That is the aniti's favorite straw man argument, of course. But how many things - other than guns - would have to be banned if the statement was actually true?
 
X-Rap said:
People can say what they want about BHO but you need only look at what he was able to do to the coal industry and energy in general and much of it was by EA/EO and regulatory agencies that he has control over.
He will be a menace until his last breath in office and the will continue to attempt to manipulate any capital he carrys after he leaves office.

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Coal got shut down by natural gas and fracking. Its cheaper to burn gas than it is coal.
 
Almost 70 power plants have been or could be closed because of EPA regulations. Most are coal fired. You can't sell a product if there is no market. This administration has even put restrictions on coal exports.
The price of energy has dropped due mostly to an unprecedented level of production. Remember when BHO said we can't drill our way to energy Independence?
My point is that, BHO made a pledge to break the coal industry and he has. He has also made pledges with regards to gun control so ignore him at your own risk.

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Red Wind said:
Obama just can't rest with guns. He despises and fears them so much he'll keep pushing some EO's until his final day.

8 months and 22 days to go. It can't come soon enough to be rid of Americas all time worst POTUS.
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Unless Hillary wins - she'll eclipse him for sure.
 
Jackal said:
They will likely engineer a new gun disaster in order to prop up Hillary on a wave of public support. Problem is, American's are so desensitized to violence that their best efforts to engineer disasters just aren't working.

Ok, tin foil hat removed.
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With all the "refugees" the libs are trying to bring here, doesn't it seem more likely that there would be a "terrorist event" and Obama would declare martial law? Then he might suspend this fall's elections and just stay in power until the situation is "resolved".

Just thinking - - -. :scrutiny:
 
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Jackal said:

With all the "refugees" the libs are trying to bring here, doesn't it seem more likely that there would be a "terrorist event" and Obama would declare martial law? Then he might suspend this fall's elections and just stay in power until the situation is "resolved".

Just thinking - - -. :scrutiny:
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Hillary won't let him postpone - she'd like to move it up, though!
 
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The only positive thing Obama has done in almost 8 years, is he made Jimmy Carter look like Thomas Jefferson.

Everything else he's tried or done has been ill thought out, or just plain stupid.

No contest, all time champion, worst president ever. They can retire the contest after this guy moves on.
 
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But the real meat of the smart weapon initiative is - probably - found in the report also linked to in that announcement:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/docs/final_report-smart_gun_report.pdf

And I say "probably" because I don't have time at the moment to read and digest all 17 pages of that report. Perhaps someone else has the time and inclination...
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I just skimmed over it o. My phone

IMO, it's a interesting read for many reasons.

One if the things that's interesting is which manufacturers have been playing along with .Gov and which notable mfg hasnt.

Hint: Ruger has not.
 
But the real meat of the smart weapon initiative is - probably - found in the report also linked to in that announcement:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/docs/final_report-smart_gun_report.pdf

And I say "probably" because I don't have time at the moment to read and digest all 17 pages of that report. Perhaps someone else has the time and inclination...
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Ok, I've read it now and anti-climatic probably describes it best. One paragraph from the report:

To be clear, this report calls for the development of new technology and not a mandate that any particular individual or law enforcement agency adopt the technology once developed. By spurring the growth of enhanced gun safety technology, the federal government seeks to expand, not constrict, consumers’ choices when deciding what firearm to purchase. Over time, as the technology improves, consumers may grow to prefer these new safety features, and state and local law enforcement agencies may decide to use their federal grant funds to purchase firearms equipped with such technology. Here, as in many other industries, the government can serve as a market participant, encouraging important technological advancements with the potential to benefit both law enforcement officers and the public at large.
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They basically acknowledge that consumer resistance to "smart guns" exists and no manufacturer will spend significant amounts of money to develop a product that doesn't have a market.

Hence, the thrust here is to create a market by employing the support of various law enforcement agencies in the hope that a large enough market can be created so that someone will develop the product.

To that end, the report lists three action items.

Step 1: Experts in firearms technology prepare draft list of specifications. As a first step, the federal government will assemble a team of experts in firearms technology to prepare a draft list of baseline specifications. [snip]

Step 2: Convening of law enforcement agencies. In mid-August 2016, DOJ and DHS will convene federal, state, and local law enforcement agencies for a one-day session to review and discuss the draft specifications prepared by the interagency working group. [snip]

Step 3: Voluntary commitments by law enforcement agencies. In autumn 2016, once the baseline specifications have been published, participating law enforcement agencies will be invited to make voluntary commitments regarding the development and procurement of this technology. [snip]
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They are playing long ball here. Even if they do get "commitments" from some law enforcement agencies* to sign on to the project, years of product development and testing will result. That is, unless some agency decides that the Armatix iP1 is ready for prime time now...

*Law enforcement agencies are political animals of some degree or another. Some will be eager to sign on, others will be willingly coerced. So yeah, they will get some commitments.
 
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