Officials in CT stunned by "civil disobedience"

[Sam1911]

Fortunately, that's not the limit of what we have the ability to do. We, the people, can indeed stand up and make things so difficult, so uncomfortable, so log-jammed, so unpopular for the powers that be, that they look to their situation and make a strategic retreat. Our recent history is just chock full of civil disobedience that produced great results through the dedicated efforts and sacrifice of the committed. This doesn't have to go to the level of the dogs and firehoses of '60s Alabama. All that really has to happen is for various discussions to happen between law enforcement and the legislature regarding possibly having to try and prosecute 50,000-100,000 otherwise perfectly law abiding people, and this law gets revised. Sure, we have a system of laws and courts that all works a certain way. But when faced by massive non-compliance it does break down -- and should!

As to gun registration, I'm sorry you don't have a problem with it, and I apologize that the state you grew up in does such a sorry, pitiful, and pathetic job of espousing the values that make our country so great. "May your chains set lightly...," as Mr. Adams said.

 

[Guy B. Meredith]

Yeah. I'm scratching my head over how they have any numbers to know exactly how many are or are not registering. Just biased assumption that there are thousands out there or fact.

 

[Strahley]

You shouldn't have to "be ok with registration" - that's part of the problem. Those before us were not ok with being pushed around for their gender, skin color, beliefs, etc, so they stood up for themselves and made a difference. They protected their rights then just as we have to protect ours now (and in the future)

 

[vamo]

This seems to be flying under the radar nationally, but whats the reaction in Connecticut? What we absolutely don't want is for this to be swept under the rug and the banned guns to go away by attrition. Prosecute some people here and there, and heirs not wanting to deal with the ramifications of inherited guns. The state officials need to be forced into some sort of public action.

 

[JohnKSa]

Actually, if they try and charge and prosecute somewhere between 50,000 and 100,000 people, including rounding them up via gun shop records or whatever else, that could be quite a boon to our cause.

It will never happen. There was never a push to round up unregistered machineguns after the NFA act, I've never heard of a push in any other state where registration laws have passed to find unregistered weapons and there won't be a push here either.

The government will let the new felons keep their illegal guns. Fat lot of good the guns will do them. They can't use them at the range, they can't use them in self-defense. They can't let their friends see them. They'll even have to be careful about letting their families know they have them.

Over time, the authorities will get the illegal guns and owners via attrition. An ex-spouse will rat someone out during a nasty divorce. They'll be discovered in a fire. A child will make an ill-advised comment. People will die and the heirs will turn in the illegal guns. Why would the anti-gunners care if it takes another 50 years before they get most of them? Getting rid of guns has always been a long-term proposition and the anti-gunners understand that perfectly.

When a registration law passes and legal challenges fail, passive non-compliance accomplishes nothing practical. The authorities are under no obligation to force everyone to comply and they know it would be foolish for them to push the issue--so they won't.

 

[sappyg]

As to gun registration, it have no problem with it. I also have no problem with universal background checks. Maybe it is because I grew up in a state that has had a handgun registry since 1927. A background check and registration is simply part of buying a gun for me.

Still don't get it.... It's not about gun laws!

But isn't it nice that we have THR so we can have an open discussion about gun laws?

Buy a shotgun.... You'll fit right in.... For now!

 

[BSA1]

"As to gun registration, it have no problem with it. I also have no problem with universal background checks. Maybe it is because I grew up in a state that has had a handgun registry since 1927. A background check and registration is simply part of buying a gun for me."

JSH1,

I find it sad that you do not grasp that the 2nd Amendment is the lynchpin for the other 9 Amendments and your lack of knowledge of the role of the gun in history.

The fact that you are willing to accept having the permission of Government to own a firearm is not shared by many other gun owners in other states.

 

[JSH1]

You shouldn't have to "be ok with registration" - that's part of the problem. Those before us were not ok with being pushed around for their gender, skin color, beliefs, etc, so they stood up for themselves and made a difference. They protected their rights then just as we have to protect ours now (and in the future)

Registration does nothing to infringe on my rights as an United States citizen. To compare the civil rights movement to the current battle over gun laws is laughable. Get back with me when gun owners are being lynched.

 

[sappyg]

Get back with me when gun owners are being lynched.

I'm afraid at that point it will be too late and I wouldn't rely on you either.

Why are you even here?

 

[BSA1]

JohnKSa,

That's certainly a possibility in some states but many states are passing pro-gun laws to prohibit such restrictions. One does not have to look very far to see how the battle between Conservatives and Liberals to draw comparisons to the events in the 1850;s.

 

[Sun Tzu warrior]

With 50 to 100 thousand potential jurors or grand jurors opposing this law, I think it will be tough to make examples. Remember it only takes one to hang a twelve member jury.
STW

 

[Schwing]

The fact is, these kinds of laws do NOTHING but turn thousands of otherwise law abiding citizens into (by letter of the law standards) criminals. Even many on the left have conceded that these have no measurable impact on violent crime.

If they are willing to admit that they don't have an impact on crime and yet they are willing to forge ahead anyway, what does that tell us about their motives? What are their ultimate goals? Is it, in fact, to turn thousands of law abiding citizens into criminals? Once you can establish that these citizens are, in fact now "Criminals", what other measures are being considered? We know that the anti gun crowd is well funded, well organized and have very clearly stated goals of a "Gun free America".

While I don't remember ever applauding anyone for being in violation of any law, I am doing so now. I applaud these folks for their stand. I sometimes think that the anti-gunners want nothing more than for the "gun toting hicks" to take to the streets in an armed revolt. It is my belief that this would go miles toward FURTHERING their cause. Reasonable, peaceful, yet unwavering refusal to submit to obvious constitutional rape is something they don't seem to have an answer for.

 

[Texshooter]

The good people of Conn. Will have to take the attitude "if you arrest one of us, you arrest all of us."

The state will try to crucify one to intimidate all.

 

[JSH1]

Why are you even here?

I'm here because I enjoy shooting sports. I took advantage of today's "adult snow day" to head to the range and shoot 150 rounds. It was nice to have the place to myself.

The USA is a large and diverse country. That diversity extends to the gun owner's as well. Just because you and I don't agree on registration doesn't mean that we both don't like to shoot.

 

[Wyatt]

This will certainly be something to watch.

Here's hoping we have more massive, more public, and more defiant non-compliance and that the law is simply shown to be toothless.

Nothing says "by the people, for the people" more than universal refusal to adhere to a bad law.

I'm surprised a moderator who represents THR is openly encouraging people to commit a felony...whether you agree with the law or not!

 

[Strahley]

Registration does nothing to infringe on my rights as an United States citizen. To compare the civil rights movement to the current battle over gun laws is laughable. Get back with me when gun owners are being lynched.

Nobody has to be getting lynched for it to be a serious matter. Like it or not, this IS a civil rights battle. Both sides know they can't just jump to violence like some did in the past, so it's a long drawn out battle in the courts. This is why we join groups like the NRA, keep up with current laws, vote, let our voices be heard, etc. If we sit around and do nothing, that's what we will end up with. Registration leads to confiscation. There is no other reason for it. It's happened before, and if we don't fight it, it will happen here on a large scale

And yes, registration DOES infringe on your rights. If you don't register it, you can't legally own it. Asking for permission to exercise your right is infringement. You not having a problem with it doesn't change that fact. Would you be so passive about being restricted on your other rights?

I'm surprised a moderator who represents THR is openly encouraging people to commit a felony...whether you agree with the law or not!

He's encouraging everybody to defend their rights in a non-violent manner

 

[JSH1]

He's encouraging everybody to defend their rights in a non-violent manner

Encouraging people not to register their guns as required is encouraging them to commit a felony.

Nobody has to be getting lynched for it to be a serious matter. Like it or not, this IS a civil rights battle.

Comparing registering guns in CT to the oppression faced by those in the civil rights era is insulting. Not even close to the same thing. I invite you to take a tour of the Civil Rights Museum in Birmingham or visit Selma, AL. You may learn something about real oppression.

 

[silicosys4]

Encouraging people not to register their guns as required is encouraging them to commit a felony.



Comparing registering guns in CT to the oppression faced by those in the civil rights era is insulting. Not even close to the same thing. I invite you to take a tour of the Civil Rights Museum in Birmingham or visit Selma, AL. You may learn something about real oppression.

I'm of the opinion that a politician has no business making felons out of honest people by passing unwanted laws that run counter to the founding values of this country and do nothing but restrict rights.
If you care at all about your country, future generations, and retaining your liberties even as they are being eroded by the passing of non representative, unconstitutional laws, nonviolent protest in the form of noncompliance is the way.

Perhaps you should take a look at the tactics used to end segregation. Sitting at the front of the bus was illegal for a black person at one time in certain areas. Where would we be now if people had been too afraid to go so far as to break segregation laws?

Do we need to wait until the situation is too unacceptable to ignore?

You are turning a blind eye if you do not see the efforts being made to classify gun owners as 2nd class citizens, to ostracize gun owners and demonize them as being responsible by proxy for societal woes. You may not feel the resemblance to past civil rights battles now, but just keep ignoring the symptoms and soon you will have a full blown disease.

 

[Strahley]

Exactly. It is slower now compared to events of the past, but it could escalate very quickly to be much uglier. It wouldn't take much to ignite, which is why people aren't being lynched. Different times call for different approches, but the end result is the same

Something else to ponder...if it gets bad enough to where punches are finally thrown and we find ourselves in something more serious, how would the rest of the world react?

 

[Glocktogo]

Comparing registering guns in CT to the oppression faced by those in the civil rights era is insulting. Not even close to the same thing. I invite you to take a tour of the Civil Rights Museum in Birmingham or visit Selma, AL. You may learn something about real oppression.

Just like Jim Crow laws, most gun control laws are rooted in denying minorities and oppressed groups the lawful means to resist tyranny. Nearly every oppressed peoples across the globe were stripped or denied the right to possess arms first. In many cases (such as Nazi Germany), that began with "common sense restrictions" such as registration and bans.

Just because you're from the South, doesn't mean you have a lock on racism, oppression and tyranny. However, how many of those lynched blacks in the South would've been lynched if they felt they could lawfully defend themselves with a gun, against a bunch of racists? If you don't think gun control played a part, you don't understand history half as well as you think you do.

 

[1911 guy]

So if a "little bit" of infringement is alright, is it safe to assume that a "little bit" of child abuse is also okay? After all, they're both wrong, but apparently a "little bit" of a bad thing is acceptable. Maybe I'll go out and do a "little bit" of drunk driving. Or stealing.

Simply take an argument to its logical conclusion and see whether you really agree with the position you claim to espouse. I'm willing to bet more than a few people who are willing to accept a "little bit" of gun registration, confiscation and other infringement would howl like wolves if someone tried to take away just a "little bit" of their freedom of speech, religion, you get the picture.

 

[MagnumWill]

I'm of the opinion that a politician has no business making felons out of honest men by passing unwanted laws that run counter to the founding values of this country and do nothing but restrict the rights of honest people.

^^^^^^ this. If we don't stop this behavior, it'll just confirm to that they're gonna do what's "best" for us. See if you're still OK with registration when they make not signing up for healthcare a felony. Or not proving you have car insurance as a felony. Or possessing any form of telecommunication that they can't monitor or control. You gonna comply then as well? Count me out. I'm in CO right now, and don't expect my "high capacity" magazine collection to stay put or shrink by any means...

 

[Cee Zee]

Get back with me when gun owners are being lynched

Early this month this video was shot.

College Students Sign Petition to Imprison All Gun Owners

Not only did they agree to have all gun owners sent to prison they agreed to have them all executed:

Political prankster Mark Dice tells some of the students signing the petition that he'd like to kill all registered gun owners, and it doesn't deter them from signing!

This statement really doesn't accurately describe what happened. Those people agreed that gun owners should be executed. Watch the video. You'll see.

Don't think it can't happen. It has happened that large numbers of people have been rounded up and executed since the early 20th century. Germany did it, Russia did it, China did it, Cambodia did it, Uganda, it's going on right now in Darfur, Rwanda did it, and a whole lot more countries did it. The US did it against the Native Americans. Russia killed about 40 million people. China killed about 65 million. Germany killed about 15 million.

Once a group has been made out to be anti-social and a threat to the general peace, people will line up to support doing something about it. And that video is evidence that we are pretty far down that path already. We aren't the only group in the US being prepped for persecution either. White men, Christians, and limited government types are on the same lists.

Not long ago the National Guard did an exercise where the enemy was a group of second amendment supporters who had turned "terrorist". If that doesn't make you wonder what's next I don't know what would. That took place in my home area BTW. I lived across the river from that town for 12 years. I lived up the river from there for 25 years and I grew up not more than 25 miles from there. It was like a practice session for killing second amendment supporters. And they did it in my back yard. It sure as heck makes me wonder what's next.

 

[silicosys4]

If you don't believe that gun owners are being demonized, google "American gun culture".

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-cesca/the-american-gun-culture-_b_4611540.html

"The very existence of this concealed-carry-Stand-Your-Ground Brundlefly has helped to breed a culture that encourages and even glorifies this inexcusable behavior as somehow dutiful and patriotic."

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...g-world-australia-ex-deputy-pm-says-v20131976

"US gun culture is 'corrupting the world,' Australia ex-deputy PM says after Okla. slaying"

http://www.thenation.com/blog/176312/when-mental-illness-meets-us-gun-culture#

"It probably isn’t a coincidence that so many mass shooters spring not just from the ranks of the mentally ill but directly from gun culture, like Major Nidal Hasan at Fort Hood. Or Christopher Dorner, the Los Angeles shooter, an honorably discharged Navy Reservist and former policeman. These mass murderers were, also, at a different time, one of NRA Executive Director Wayne LaPierre’s oft-cited “good guys with guns.”

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And that was the FIRST PAGE of the google search.

This has got to stop. The only way we can stop this is to put our foot down NOW, in a peaceful, nonviolent manner that shows we aren't going to be subjected to this indignity and erosion of our rights, that we can go about our lives as responsible human beings without the intrusion of needless laws. Proving that life will go on as usual in CT regardless of the tens of thousands of newly illegal "assault" rifles in the hands of "felons" is the first step to proving their folly.

Honestly, I think we should be flooding MSM, screaming about how there are now tens of thousands of armed felons with assault rifles in CT. Sounds scary enough to investigate. Would look great all over the news about how CT turned a bunch of regular people into dangerous, armed felons overnight.

 

[kwguy]

A 'little bit' of infringement (registration), still doesn't make it right. Just because something doesn't 'interfere' with normal, daily routines right now (such as the ability to enjoy shooting sports), doesn't mean that it can't become a major infringement later.

It's like saying "Sure, you can implant me with a locator chip under my skin, just as long as you don't actually use it to track me..." or "I don't mind if you point a gun at me, just as long as you don't pull the trigger..."

Registration may not be very inconvenient for some that are used to it, but it is still an infringement, and (not that it matters) doesn't accomplish anything useful at all.