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On FDR provoking the Pearl Harbor attack
My thanks for the vigorous discussion and my apologies for not being able to keep up the last few days. Business.

Someone asked for a source about FDR provoking the Pearl Harbor attack. A source that someone else "hates" (The Case for Pearl Harbor Revisionism, http://www.charlesmartelsociety.org...earlharbor.html) cited it in footnote 8:

Robert B. Stinnett, Day of Deceit: The Truth About FDR and Pearl Harbor (New York: The Free Press, 2000).

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...386216?v=glance

FWIW, "Although obviously troubled by his discovery of a systematic plan of deception on the part of the American government, Stinnett does not take deep issue with its outcome."

All I have time for at the moment...

"Editorial Reviews

Amazon.com

It was not long after the first Japanese bombs fell on the American naval ships at Pearl Harbor that conspiracy theories began to circulate, charging that Franklin Roosevelt and his chief military advisors knew of the impending attack well in advance. Robert Stinnett, who served in the U.S. Navy with distinction during World War II, examines recently declassified American documents and concludes that, far more than merely knowing of the Japanese plan to bomb Pearl Harbor, Roosevelt deliberately steered Japan into war with America.

Stinnett's argument draws on both circumstantial evidence--the fact, for example, that in September 1940 Roosevelt signed into law a measure providing for a two-ocean navy that would number 100 aircraft carriers--and, more importantly, on American governmental documents that offer apparently incontrovertible proof that Roosevelt knowingly sacrificed American lives in order to enter the war on the side of England. Although obviously troubled by his discovery of a systematic plan of deception on the part of the American government, Stinnett does not take deep issue with its outcome. Roosevelt, he writes, faced powerful opposition from isolationist forces, and, against them, the Pearl Harbor attack was "something that had to be endured in order to stop a greater evil--the Nazi invaders in Europe who had begun the Holocaust and were poised to invade England." Sure to excite discussion, Stinnett's book offers what may be the final word on the terrible matter of Pearl Harbor. --Gregory McNamee

From Publishers Weekly

Historians have long debated whether President Roosevelt had advance knowledge of Japan's December 7, 1941, attack on Pearl Harbor. Using documents pried loose through the Freedom of Information Act during 17 years of research, Stinnett provides overwhelming evidence that FDR and his top advisers knew that Japanese warships were heading toward Hawaii. The heart of his argument is even more inflammatory: Stinnett argues that FDR, who desired to sway public opinion in support of U.S. entry into... [read more]

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Pearl Harbor was not an accident, a mere failure of American intelligence, or a brilliant Japanese military coup. It was the result of a carefully orchestrated design, initiated at the highest levels of our government. According to a key memorandum eight steps were taken to make sure we would enter the war by this means. Pearl Harbor was the only way, leading officials felt, to galvanize the reluctant American public into action.

This great question of Pearl Harbor--what did we know and when did we know it?--has been argued for years. At first, a panel created by FDR concluded that we had no advance warning and should blame only the local commanders for lack of preparedness. More recently, historians such as John Toland and Edward Beach have concluded that some intelligence was intercepted. Finally, just months ago, the Senate voted to exonerate Hawaii commanders Admiral Kimmel and Lieutenant General Short, after the Pentagon officially declared that blame should be "broadly shared." But no investigator has ever been able to prove that fore-knowledge of the attack existed at the highest levels.

Until now. After decades of Freedom of Information Act requests, Robert B. Stinnett has gathered the long-hidden evidence that shatters every shibboleth of Pearl Harbor. It shows that not only was the attack expected, it was deliberately provoked through an eight-step program devised by the Navy. Whereas previous investigators have claimed that our government did not crack Japan's military codes before December 7, 1941, Stinnett offers cable after cable of decryptions. He proves that a Japanese spy on the island transmitted information--including a map of bombing targets--beginning on August 21, and that government intelligence knew all about it. He reveals that Admiral Kimmel was prevented from conducting a routine training exercise at the eleventh hour that would have uncovered the location of the oncoming Japanese fleet. And contrary to previous claims, he shows that the Japanese fleet did not maintain radio silence as it approached Hawaii. Its many coded cables were intercepted and decoded by American cryptographers in Stations on Hawaii and in Seattle.

The evidence is overwhelming. At the highest levels--on FDR's desk--America had ample warning of the pending attack. At those same levels, it was understood that the isolationist American public would not support a declaration of war unless we were attacked first. The result was a plan to anger Japan, to keep the loyal officers responsible for Pearl Harbor in the dark, and thus to drag America into the greatest war of her existence.

Yet even having found what he calls the "terrible truth," Stinnett is still inclined to forgive. "I sympathize with the agonizing dilemma faced by President Roosevelt," he writes. "He was forced to find circuitous means to persuade an isolationist America to join in a fight for freedom....It is easier to take a critical view of this policy a half century removed than to understand fully what went on in Roosevelt's mind in the year prior to Pearl Harbor."

Day of Deceit is the definitive final chapter on America's greatest secret and our worst military disaster."

RGR, I didn't want to respond to this in the "nuke Japan" thread and hijack it. So I will put my comments in a new thread.

I have researched this myself because certain things on Dec 7, 1941, did not add up.

1. Virtually all the warships hit at Pearl Harbor were obsolete and left over from WWI and lined up and tied together.

2. All of our carriers and most of our newer warships were not at Pearl. They were at sea. Coincidence? I don't believe in coincidences.

3. There is no doubt that the US knew an attack was coming and that Pearl would be hit.

4. Most US citizens and most of congress were isolationists and/or pacifists.

5. Only a few days prior to the attack, the Army was ordered to cluster and line up their aircraft, fighters and bombers, instead of dispersing them.

6. Radar warnings were ignored by the higher ups on the morning of Dec 7th.

These few facts I have been able to ascertain from a variety of sources. Evidence seems to indicate that we had broken the Japanese Naval codes prior to Dec 7th; but there is some controversy about that.

My personal take is this (my opinion and a $1.50 will buy you a cup of coffee):

Roosevelt knew that our entry into the war was inevitable and the longer we delayed our entry, the worse the situation would be. He viewed a probable attack on Pearl Harbor as a wake up call that would shake the nation out of its isolationist mood (it certainly did that!). And he definitely wanted to aid Great Britain whose back was to the wall.

I think Roosevelt, his intelligence advisors and the top military brass all greatly under estimated the Japanese capability. Orientals were stereotyped as backward, inferior, etc. and I think the policy makers fell prey to this. I believe they thought the damage from an attack would be considerably less with a small loss of life.

Also, the US was in a deep depression and an all out war effort would definitely put people to work

I believe that Roosevelt made the decision to let the attack happen for the reasons above. I also believe he was as shocked as anyone over the devastation and loss of life the Japanese wrought. I don’t buy that he goaded the Japanese into attacking. They didn’t need goading; they were bent on conquering the western Pacific and ensuring a safe raw material supply (oil and rubber).

For me, the most convincing evidence is the fact that our carriers and newer warships were at sea and not near Pearl. And all our assets at Pearl, ships and aircraft, were congregated and not dispersed. Not something you normally do if you know an attack is coming. Yet the newer warships were safely dispersed at sea.

Perhaps another reason should be explored. The Brits had broken the German codes by 1939 and possessed a German “Enigma†encoding machine. This, needless to say, was highly classified. The Brits intercepted Hitler’s plans to bomb Coventry, which was primarily a civilian target. Churchill had a major dilemma. He had to chose between warning Coventry and evacuating the city which would tip the German’s off that their codes were not secure or not evacuating the city and suffering thousands of civilian deaths. Operation Overlord was on the table and the intelligence gleamed from the broken German codes was vital to the success of the Normandy invasion. Churchill chose to sacrifice Coventry in an effort to save more allied lives as they subdued the continent.

Maybe Roosevelt faced this same dilemma and chose not to tip the Japanese off that we had broken their codes, believing this choice would save more lives in the long run.

Just my opinion.
 
One other small point. I believe Pearl Harbor was considered by the U.S. military to be too shallow the aerial launching of torpedos of the time. The Japanese had come up with a model that could, and did, work.

If, and it's a pretty big if, we knew an attack was emminent, that might explain our capital ships being lined up neatly on battleship row. We might have been expecting bombs, not torpedos.
 
Right! The Japanese of 1941 were a decent peace loving people, that hatred war. FDR provoked them into attacking us just as the Chinese and Koreans provoked them. And just like the British provoked them into invading Hong Kong.

And of course, Truman was a war criminal for dropping the bomb on such kind, decent, peace loving people. A real liberal would have surrenderded, and made the war unnecessary.
 
I've seen similiar arguments, and, although I haven't read the boook cited, they are all less than convincing.

L. Neil Smith, an otherwise smart individual, has completely lost his mind when it comes to this, and similiar issues. He actually claims that we "provoked" Japan into attacking us by cutting off the oil they desperatly needed. Horsesh*t.

People say they hate government and all the evil things it does (so do I), but it turns out they only hate the American goverment and all the evil things it does (and I'm not denying it does evil things). The evil things other governments do they only do because America made them. They will believe nothing good about America and nothing bad about anyone else.

From L. Neil Smith's article
Again, illegally, Roosevelt shut off Japan's supply of imported oil which forced them to invade other places to get it. That brought out the very worst in the Japanese character, which was exactly what Roosevelt needed and wanted.

Finally, after a lot of diplomatic wrangling designed to frustrate and anger the Japanese—silencing those among them who wanted peace—Roosevelt bottled up the most obsolete components of the Pacific Fleet in a harbor with a narrow, shallow mouth, put out the word that no warnings from American ships in the Pacific or the new radar just installed above the harbor were to reach Washington, and let the Japanese do as they wanted, which, with enough goading and insulting, they eventually did.
 
I've seen similiar arguments, and, although I haven't read the boook cited, they are all less than convincing. I've seen similiar arguments, and, although I haven't read the boook cited, they are all less than convincing.

L. Neil Smith, an otherwise smart individual, has completely lost his mind when it comes to this, and similiar issues. He actually claims that we "provoked" Japan into attacking us by cutting off the oil they desperatly needed. Horsesh*t.

Well stated, Mr. Clark. This same kind of logic says 9/11 was our government's fault. Japan attacked us because they chose to do so, period.
 
CarlS:

Please repost your links, they don't work. I would like to take a look at the website you linked to.

As I've said, everything I have read is less than convincing conspiracy theory stuff, but I've never heard of this book and I'd like to check it out.

Thanks

[Edit: Nevermind, found the book on amazon. The main webpage above (http://www.charlesmartelsociety.org) seems to be password protected. Is there a public version of the document? ]
 
Mr. Clark, those were not my links. I was responding to a post by RGR in the "nuke Japan" thread. I didn't want to hijack that thread so I quoted his post and started this thread. Here is the page where his links are: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=75131&perpage=25&pagenumber=6

I definitely do not believe Roosevelt "goaded Japan" into attacking us. I do think perhaps he was aware of the impending attack on Pearl Harbor.
 
Best source on this is "And I Was There, Pearl Harbor and Midway - Breaking the Secrets", by Read Admiral Edwin T. Laytopn, U.S.N. (Ret).

Layton was Fleet Intelligence Officer, for the Pacific Fleet, through the entire war.

He is quite clear in pointing fingers, but they don't point to where the revisionsists claim they do.

1st: FDR very much was trying to goad the Japanese into attacking US forces in the Pacific. But those efforts had nothing to do with Pearl. FDR had Filipino-crewed, US-officered patrol boats sent out from Subic to where the best estimates put the Japanese fleet for the sole purpose of getting shot at, but he did not know, or expect, an attack at Pearl.

2nd: There was a great deal of evidence that the Japanese were planning to attack, but all of that evidence pointed to Singapore, Malaysia, and the Phillipines. We didn't have a clue where the Japanese carriers were, but we had intercepts of a destroyer flotilla that had been operating as part of one of the carrier group's escort, in the South China Sea.

3rd: There was information that might have warned Pearl to increase readiness, if it had been forwarded to Pearl, that was not forwarded to Pearl. But it was not so forwarded because FDR was trying to hang Pearl out to dry - it was because of a turf fight within the Navy over which department (Office of Naval Intelligence or Office of Naval Communications) was going to control the decrypt info.

Layton puts the blame primarily on Admiral Richmond Kelly Turner, who was Chief of War Plans at the Office of Naval Operations.
 
Obtain a copy of Stinnett's "Day of Deceit." I've read the book several times trying to digest the implications of his work. It is a book primarily written around primary source information. After decades of fighting with the DoD he was able to get considerable FOIA request filled. To this day there is some information the Navy will not release.

Prior to hostilities the US determined just as the Japanese modern naval warfare would be centered around the aircraft carrier not the battleship. Congress had just approved a 100 carrier force prior to hostilities. Ships lined up on battleship row were old technology. The four US carriers were IIRC under orders from Washington DC to deliver loads of bombers to various airfields, including Midway. Somthing never done before.

The Pacific basin was ringed with RDF (radio direction finding) equipment. Contrary to popular history the Japanese fleet was not silent, it was noisy to the point of being dangerous. Stinnett's book produces the charts plotting the progress of the Japanese fleet across the Pacific to Pearly Harbor as well as the progress of the fleet that hit the Philippeans. As the Pearl Harbor attack fleet approached the islands it was apparent there would a strong chance commercial shipping would spot the fleet and sound the alarm. Roosevelt responded with a Vacant Seas Order which cleared a corridor across the Pacific. Again, primary documentation is provided.

What was so interesting to me was the intelligence battle being fought. Historians admit the US was into Japan's Purple code (diplomatic). What is clear from Stinnett's book is the US was well into Japan's military codes. The distribution of the intercepts was tightly controlled by the White House. Distribution channels were specifically routed around Commander Army forces and Commander Navy forces at Pearl Harbor, however, those same two commanders in the Phillipeans did receive the intercepts. Again, the primary documentation is impressive.

Stinnet refuses to make a judgment as to the morality of what Roosevelt did. He simply reports what he found and lets the reader draw his own conclusions. Sort of refreshing in today's world of retroactive morals standards.
 
Mr. Clark, those were not my links.

My mistake, sorry, they are obviously within the quoted text. It might be past my bedtime. :)

Thanks for the new link. I've got some reading to do.
 
One thing the USN overlooked about the waters of Pearl Harbor was the RN attack on Regia Marina in Taranto. Aircraft based Swordfish torpedo bombers swooped down the Italian Navy and devasted numerous battleships and compelled them to relocate to a safer (and more isolated base). The attack was a model for the Japanese.

I believe that FDR was willing to accept some loss for the entry of the US into the war. The sinking of the Reuben James (destroyer) wasn't enough to whip America into a frenzy so he sent the old battleship, U.S.S. Texas into war waters. A U-boat stalked her but when she radioed Berlin for the Okee-dokee to put a fish into her, a panicked Berlin radioed back to leave her be. Thanks Karl! We've a wonderful museum ship b/c of your wisdom.

Had the US Fleet ventured out to do combat with the IJN, we would have had our clocks cleaned. Setting aside CV combat, BB wise the Japanese were more modernized and better manned (100%). Our ships were fouled, 70% crewed and sorely in need of modernization (AA, radar, CiC, & their bottoms cleaned as one could only do about 15 knots instead of the designed 21 knots).
 
Read Rising Sun

I thought I had read everything printed on Pearl Harbor and the Pacific War, and then I read Rising Sun: Decline and Fall of the Japanese Empire by John Toland. A Pulitzer prize winner.

This is the BEST book I have ever read on Pearl and the Pacific War told from primarily the Japanese perspective. Extremely well researched and based in large part on Japanese records and interviews with actual Japanese politicians and military leaders who survived the war.

http://www.randomhouse.com/modernlibrary/catalog/display.pperl?isbn=0-8129-6858-1

I don't see how anyone can read this book and believe that FDR and the military didn't know that the Japanese would attack US bases... the when and where probably was not known... eerily similar to the 9/11 attacks in that regard.

Another interesting premise coming from the book is that the Japanese military did not see Midway as the turning point of the Pacific War as it is commonly viewed from the US perspective.

Read it, its worth it.

I'll also give a plug to an excellent book on Pacific War from a good friend of mine called "Through These Portals." An excellent memoir of an Army 77th Division infantryman in the Pacific. He told me recently that his book is being used as a textbook by three or four universities in their history programs.

http://wsupress.wsu.edu/newsandevents/reviews/portals.html
 
I looks like the key pieces of evidence that Stinnet uses to prove the grand conspiracy theories just aren't there.

It appears that the level of scholarship in the Stinnet text that advances these theories is almost down to the level of the thoroughly descredited "Gun Ownership in America" written by now fired Emory University history professor Michael Bellesiles.

Pearl Harbor: Case Closed?

Day of Deceit: The Truth about FDR and Pearl Harbor by Robert B. Stinnett. New York: Simon and Schuster, Touchstone, 2000. Paperback. 399 pages. Index, illustrations, maps.

Pearl Harbor Betrayed: The True Story of a Man and a Nation under Attack by Michael Gannon. New York: Henry Holt, 2001. Hardcover. 340 pages. Index, illustrations, maps.
Theodore O'Keefe

As the sixtieth anniversary of what President Franklin Roosevelt called "a date which will live in infamy" (and who would know that better than he?) passes, the controversy over Pearl Harbor is as lively as ever. In no other area of the history of the Second World War have revisionists had quite as much success in convincing a broad section of public that the official version has it wrong: that it is President Franklin Roosevelt, not local commanders General Walter Short and Admiral Husband Kimmel, who should bear the blame for the devastating Japanese attack.

Two recent books argue that Admiral Husband Kimmel, in particular, was gravely wronged by his superiors, not merely after December 7, 1941, but in the weeks and months before. One, Robert Stinnett's Day of Deceit, is radically revisionist, claiming to abound in new evidence for a conspiracy involving the president, the war and navy departments, the army chief of staff, and the chief of naval operations, among many other participants. The other, Michael Gannon's Pearl Harbor Betrayed, makes no explicit accusations of conspiracy, nor does it seriously fault America's confrontational diplomacy vis-a-vis Japan in the years leading up to the attack. Odd as it might seem, this reviewer found the second the more satisfying book.

Stinnett has worked for many years on the question of whether American leaders, civilian and military, had foreknowledge of the Japanese attack on America's army and navy bases on Oahu. His review of the diplomatic evidence merely confirms what Charles Beard, George Morgenstern, Harry Elmer Barnes, Charles Callan Tansill, Percy Greaves, James Martin, and other revisionists have firmly established: that Roosevelt, Secretary of State Cordell Hull, and Secretary of War Henry Stimson desired, and provoked, war with Japan, and that they certainly knew that Japan was going to war a day or more before the December 7 attacks (which hit U.S. bases in the Philippines as well).

Stinnett's attempts to establish that America's civilian and military leadership was, or should have been, privy to the Japanese plans for Pearl Harbor through the interception and reading of certain of Japan's naval codes is harder to credit. A fair amount of his case rests on a sizable number of messages from ships and units of the Japanese navy that Stinnett was able to make public for the first time, not without diligent effort, under provisions of the Freedom of Information Act. It is difficult for a layman to interpret the significance of these documents, however, for Stinnett often fails to provide such key details as how they were routed and when they were read. Many of Japan's pre-Pearl Harbor messages were decoded only after the war.

A central contention of Day of Deceit is that American cryptanalysts solved the main operational code of the Japanese navy (designated as the "5-Num code," for its five number groups, by the code breakers) well in advance of the post-Pearl Harbor solution date accepted by most historians. On page 71 Stinnett writes that not only the Americans, but also the British, the Dutch, and the Chiang Kai-shek's Nationalist Chinese had solved the 5-Num code by fall of 1941. Here, however, he is writing of three other codes as well, so the reader must leaf back to page 23 to discover that "Recovery [of the 5-Num code] was effected [by the U.S.] before April [1941]."

But what does Stinnett mean by "recovery"? In numerous passages he implies that the code was fully cracked and readable by the date he has given, and an uncareful reader of his pages 73-81, the section of Day of Deceit that deals most thoroughly with the decoding of the 5-Num code, will likely take it that this was the case. Yet Stinnett supplies little documentation about just how much of this key Japanese naval code -- the U.S. Navy's ability to read it was the key to the stunning American victory at Midway in June 1942 -- could be understood before Pearl Harbor; none of his sources demonstrates that more than a small fraction of the chief operational code of the Japanese fleet could be read until later. His habit of grouping facts under a blanket statement that doesn't cover all of them can't disguise that what he calls on page 73 "an example of Num-5 and SM [ship movement code] decryption" turns out to have been merely an example of SM code decryption. Stinnett could have spared his readers a good deal of confusion and frustration by featuring more prominently a statement, buried at the bottom of a long footnote, that seems to be his clearest and most unambiguous statement on the matter: "There is no reliable evidence, found by the author, that establishes how much of the 5-Num text could be deciphered, translated, and read by naval cryptographers in 1941." (p. 334, n. 18)

Stinnett hasn't made things any easier for his readers by his often disconcerting manner of exposition. Although a retired journalist, Stinnett tends to overcomplicate his story. His exposition, particularly in the first several chapters, is complicated, and sometimes nightmarish, for he makes repeated, arbitrary cuts back and forth, both in theme and chronology. Whether these jarring shifts are due to authorial wool-gathering and editorial negligence, or whether they are part of some deliberate purpose, they make concentrating on the facts a constant chore. In turn, the frequent jumps force endless repetition, which does little to smooth the muddy flow. Just as bad, he can be a master at deflating his own suspense: Day of Deceit begins with breathless account of Edward R. Murrow's claim that he had gotten the biggest story of his life at a meeting with FDR on the evening of December 7 ("The Biggest Story of My Life"), but the biggest story turns out to be ... nothing. "In the end, Murrow's story remained unwritten and unbroadcast."

Stinnett makes much of a memorandum that he discovered in the National Archives and which he believes explains U.S. policy toward Japan from October 1940 on. Written by the chief of the Office of Naval Intelligence's Far East desk, Lieutenant Commander Arthur McCollum, the eight-part memorandum calls for U.S. diplomatic and military measures, in conjunction with British and Dutch forces in the South Pacific, aimed at driving the Japanese to the wall. These measures included imposing a total embargo on Japan, aiding Chiang Kai-shek, and moving U.S. forces westward, to include bases in Singapore and the Dutch East Indies, and the basing of the "main strength" of the U.S. fleet in the vicinity of the Hawaiian islands. Confrontational though these proposals were, Stinnett is not able to show that Roosevelt or any other high official ever saw them. Several were not adopted, including the proposed colonial bases; one or two were in force before the memorandum; in one case the author has equated a handful of U.S. cruiser sorties in and around Japanese waters (most of them near Japanese mandates in the Pacific) with the stationing of a division of heavy cruisers in the Far East. In any case, the McCollum memorandum would seem to be incidental to Roosevelt's and the well-known Japanophobe Stimson's growing need for a "back door to war."

Many of Stinnett's allegations are highly technical and demand fairly expert treatment, but nearly any reader will be given pause by the vast conspiracy to deny General Short and Admiral Kimmel knowledge of the attack that Stinnett posits in this book. Starting with Roosevelt, Stimson, Hull, Secretary of the Navy Frank Knox, Chief of Naval Operations Harold Stark, and Chief of Staff George C. Marshall, it runs down a long roster of top officers, including General Douglas MacArthur. Especially prominent among Stinnett's culprits are officers from naval intelligence and signals intelligence, including Commander Joseph Rochefort, the chief naval cryptographer in Hawaii; Lieutenant Commander Edward Layton, Admiral Kimmel's fleet intelligence officer and his ardent defender in later years; and Commander Laurance Safford, the U.S. Navy's chief code breaker and a man who, if Stinnett is to believed, must have fooled plenty of the revisionist historians with whom he worked closely on the Pearl Harbor question over the decades. Various of Stinnett's allegations leave an unsavory taste, such as his repeated implication that Admiral Walter Anderson, former chief of naval intelligence, commander of battleships at Pearl Harbor on December 7, resided away from the naval base due to foreknowledge of the attack.

While some, or even much, of the material that Stinnett has been able to have declassified and released may be of use to revisionists, to this reviewer Day of Deceit raised many more questions than it satisfactorily answered. Until these are answered, Stinnett's book is potentially a dangerous one, far more so to revisionists than to partisans of the official version on Pearl Harbor.

Michael Gannon's Pearl Harbor Betrayed, on the other hand, is an outstanding example of historiographical writing: it is well-organized, well-documented, and in its depiction of the well-worn story of the Japanese attack, fresh, informed, and dramatic.

Like Stinnett, Gannon defends Admiral Kimmel's response to the attack, and far more actively.

Sometimes, in reflecting the deep loyalties of Kimmel's family and his fellow officers, he sounds a bit like a cheerleader. This is quite pardonable, however, in view of the grievous and unjust harm done Kimmel's reputation (he was relieved of command and labeled derelict of duty) in order to clear Roosevelt, Stimson, Marshall, Stark, and their henchmen for, at the very least, failing to provide the commander of the Pacific Fleet and the commander of the Hawaii Department, General Short, with the men, materiel, and information necessary to defend their commands.

Gannon is particularly strong on Washington's failure to provide Kimmel (and Short) with the ships, planes, and guns needed to defend Pearl Harbor and the other bases on Oahu, where the fleet's headquarters had been transferred only over the strong objections of Kimmel's predecessor, Admiral Richardson. He stresses that, as the Roosevelt administration was gearing up to involve America in a war against Germany, it was not merely failing to provide Pearl Harbor with the means to defend itself, it was systematically stripping Hawaii of its defenses, diverting ships from the Pacific Fleet to anti-German purposes in the Atlantic, and sending patrol planes and advanced fighter planes desperately needed in Hawaii to Great Britain and the Soviet Union. Gannon provides a thorough, even vivid account of Kimmel's efforts to get his fleet battle ready. As he notes, the fleet's anti-aircraft guns were manned and firing within four minutes of the opening of the attack, but their guns were out of date and nearly useless against fast, low-flying planes.

Gannon pretty much toes the line regarding a unilaterally aggressive Japan; on the other hand, he is quite acute in noting the progressive violations of neutrality by FDR in his undeclared naval war in the Atlantic in alliance with England. Here the research he has done in conjunction with Operation Drumbeat, his much hailed account of the initial German submarine campaign against American shipping, and other works continues to prove its worth. He has even discovered orders from Admiral King, commander of Atlantic fleet, to the captains of his escort ships authorizing them to shoot on sight in July 1941, well before FDR's issuance of that order following the Greer incident in September. Gannon makes clear that he is at least mildly contemptuous of such Roosevelt stratagems as decreeing that the Western Hemisphere extended to the east of Azores, or occupying Iceland (to which he compares the Japanese occupation of Indochina).

Pearl Harbor Betrayed offers a detailed and careful account of all the major issues in the Kimmel case. In nearly every instance the author comes down on the admiral's side, and against his political and naval superiors in Washington. Gannon methodically demonstrates that Kimmel could not have done a better job of air reconnaissance with the planes available to him, and that he was denied key intelligence, including access to Japan's top-secret diplomatic code (called "Purple") and to reports from a Japanese naval spy in Honolulu that clearly indicated an attack on Pearl Harbor (all of this intelligence was made available to U.S. commanders in ... the Philippines!). Gannon is at his best in parsing the key orders Kimmel received from Admiral Richmond Kelly Turner, Chief of Naval Operations Harold Stark, and Secretary of War Henry Stimson in the final weeks and days before the attack: steeped in naval procedure, he shows that Kimmel, after being left blind by his superiors, was given imprecise, misleading, and wrongheaded directives that all but left him and his fleet sitting ducks. His defense of Admiral Kimmel makes the 1995 finding by Undersecretary of Defense Edwin Dorn that Kimmel and Short were not solely responsible for the fiasco, and the recent recommendation of Congress that the admiral be restored to his highest wartime rank, all the more satisfying.

Little of this, except for Gannon's grasp of detail and bloodhound's instinct for sources, is new to knowledgeable revisionists. And revisionists will rightly cavil at Gannon's reluctance to lay more than a kind of procedural blame on Stark, Turner, et al., let alone Franklin Roosevelt, whom he seems to acquit in a footnote aimed at Gore Vidal's unblushingly conspiratorial novel Golden Age (leitmotiv: FDR? Did he ever know!):

One need not hold FDR to blame for what happened at Pearl Harbor if one's wish is to exonerate Kimmel and Short. One need only cite the faithlessness and ineptitude of the war and Navy Departments, about which much has been written in these pages. (p. 363, n. 62)

Bad as that sounds, Stinnett's fulsome tributes to Roosevelt are worse, for he tells us that none of the numerous treacheries he attributes to Roosevelt throughout Day of Deceit "diminish Franklin Delano Roosevelt's magnificent contributions to the American people." What both authors really mean to say, of course, is that Holocaustomania is alive and well, and that any questioning of America's entry in the great anti-fascist crusade is liable to render one an accomplice to the most recently discovered Holocaust crime.

The more important of these two books, Day of Deceit (if only for its ambition), may provide some new evidence for a conspiracy including FDR as well as his underlings, but seems untrustworthy. Pearl Harbor Betrayed is well worth reading, for its up-to-date consideration of the key questions as well as for the reasons stated above, but shies away from uncovering a conspiracy. The book that solves the Pearl Harbor mystery, however, remains unwritten.


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Bibliographic information Author:
Theodore J. O'Keefe
Title:
Pearl Harbor: Case closed? (review)
Source:
The Journal for Historical Review (http://www.ihr.org)
Date:
September/December 2001
Issue:
Volume 20 number 5/6
Location:
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0195-6752
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I am not an expert or learned historian but I have a few questions about "The day that will live in infamy."

1. Wouldn't a consipacy big enough to cover prior knowledge of the attack on Pearl Harbor require literally dozens of participants?
2. How could such a conspiracy be kept quiet for 60 years?
3. Would our Army and Navy leaders stand by and let their commands be destroyed? Wouldn't that violate their sense of duty?

Just wondering.
 
I do subscribe to the belief that the US may have known something was in the works prior to Pearl, and its obvious what side FDR was on prior to 7/12/41 (and its a good thing he was; certainly while Chamberlain comes in for the lions share of appeasement abuse, those members of Congress who opposed fighting the devil must be seen in the same light). IMHO he probably felt this would come in the Phillipines area, and not Pearl.

As an example, compare Pearl Harbour with Midway. At the former, this author is expecting us to believe that the US knew the attack was coming and did nothing. At the later, the US knew the attack was coming, set the mother of all ambushes and won the Pacific War in a day.

I cannot believe that FDR, or more importantly the USN, would pass up the chance to hit the bulk of the IJN caught red-handed and with its trousers down as happened at Midway.

Kimmel's treatment is reflected by what happened to the Soviet generals who bore the brunt of the 22/7/41 attack, but FDR doesnt come anywhere near as badly out of the whole thing as Stalin did - look at the amount of repression that was done to prevent a response by the Red Army, even on the eve of the attack.
 
I've got to agree with Agricola's assesment. If we did know they were going to attack Pearl, why not use the chance to set an ambush and hit them back? FDR's supposed goals would still be reached (i.e. America gets attacked) only we get to hurt them back and take away some of their combat strength.
 
I've got to agree with Agricola's assesment. If we did know they were going to attack Pearl, why not use the chance to set an ambush and hit them back? FDR's supposed goals would still be reached (i.e. America gets attacked) only we get to hurt them back and take away some of their combat strength.

That certainly is a valid scenario. I think can think of a couple of counter arguments.

(1) I'm not sure that we had enough modern warships, weaponry and radar to take on the Japanese fleet at that time. Their fleet was far more up to date than ours. The US was just beginning the wartime modernization of the fleet. We were in much better shape at Midway.

(2) I'm still puzzled by the fact that our carriers and modern warships were not at Pearl but out to sea - in separate locations. Nearly everything at Pearl in the neat little rows was obsolete.

I don't pretend to know the answers.
 
We were in much better shape at Midway.

I don't see how. It was only 7 months later, and we had lost the Lexington in the interim. The hardware available for Midway was essentially the same as what would have participated at Pearl. The mindset was, OTOH, worlds different and a trap set at the Pearl attack just might have failed miserably because of the difference. That old quote attributed to Napoleon about "the moral is to the material as three is to one" comes to mind.
 
carl,

The difference was, at Midway the US was aware of the impending attack and acted accordingly. The planes were the same, as were the men, who would have behaved as heroically defending Pearl as they did Midway.

Pretty much the only difference I can think of is that the US was at least aware of the sub torpedo defect by Midway, which they wouldnt have been at Pearl.
 
Truman was a war criminal for dropping the bomb on such kind, decent, peace loving people.

This may have been said in jest, but remember the protests when they hung the Enola Gay(?) in the new Smithsonian Museum at Dulles(?)

Didn't someone throw fake blood on it?
 
This may have been said in jest, but remember the protests when they hung the Enola Gay(?) in the new Smithsonian Museum at Dulles(?)

Didn't someone throw fake blood on it?
Yeah, but they were just protesting the killing of all the silver chrome chinchillas required to make it's skin.:eek:
 
The easiest way to show FDR did not have prior knowledge about Pearl Harbor is that he did not want to fight Japan. He wanted to get into the European war against Hitler and save England. The attack by Japan could have eliminated any chance of the US fighting Hitler.

Following the attack, the American public wanted payback against Japan. FDR still had no way to convince America to go to war against both Germany and Japan. Germany was not a threat to the US while a Japanese invasion of California was a very real fear along the west coast. Only the remarkably stupid act of Hitler declaring war on the US brought America into the European theater.
 
1. Virtually all the warships hit at Pearl Harbor were obsolete and left over from WWI and lined up and tied together.

2. All of our carriers and most of our newer warships were not at Pearl. They were at sea. Coincidence? I don't believe in coincidences.

SOP, same thing is happening right now at 32nd st San Diego. When you have a bunch of ships and limited pier space, the crew must de-board by walking across each boat, they sit side by side as far as 3 out in some cases.

Newer boats require MANY sea trials and qualifications....I see nothing strange there either. Unless you want to see something strange.
 
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