Once Again a Legal Product is Misused..and it's the Manufacturer's Fault

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I thought this was just another article on the war on some drugs. Then I read the sentence I highlighted. Where have we heard that before? What's next, are rural counties with meth problems going to sue the makers of Sudafed because they market their legal product? Whatever happened to personal responsibility?

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/ne...adline=Police+want+restrictions+on+cold+pills
Police want restrictions on cold pills
By Matthew Hathaway
Of the Post-Dispatch
04/28/2004


KANSAS CITY, MO. – The debate over Missouri's growing methamphetamine problem took a major turn Wednesday, as police from around the state demanded that some common cold pills used to make the drug be classified as regulated narcotics available only at pharmacies.

At issue is a chemical called pseudoephedrine. It's an active ingredient in more than 80 over-the-counter remedies that are sold everywhere from gas stations to grocery stores. But pseudoephedrine also is a key ingredient in most recipes for meth, a powerful stimulant often called ice, crystal or crank.

Missouri last year toughened existing regulations on how much pseudoephedrine a store could sell to an individual customer, and added new restrictions on where those cold pills could be displayed. As a result, meth cooks and their helpers now must shop at dozens of stores to get the thousands of pills needed to make even a few ounces of meth.

Police at the summit said that without tougher regulations, the explosive increase in small meth labs will continue in Missouri and throughout the Midwest. Although most of the nation's meth is made at a small number of large drug labs in Mexico and California, Missouri and the states it borders accounted for more than half of the meth-lab raids and related seizures last year.

The push to further restrict sales of the pills was made at the close of a four-day meth summit here, in a panel discussion attended by many of Missouri's top meth investigators and experts. Police said that Missouri must follow the lead of Oklahoma, which this month adopted a new law that labels most pseudoephedrine remedies "scheduled narcotics," sold only at pharmacies and only if customers agree to have the purchases - and their identities - recorded in a statewide database.

Police concede that Oklahoma's law will inconvenience shoppers, but they say it is the only way to shut down Missouri drug labs.

"We have an epidemic, and epidemics call for drastic measures," said John Jordan, sheriff of Cape Girardeau County.

Jordan said that if Jefferson City lawmakers refuse to make pseudoephedrine a scheduled narcotic, they must think of a way to finance Missouri's meth war – a fight that is fought largely on federal funds that are expected to expire soon.

One federal-funded program struggling to find a new revenue source disposes of the hazardous ingredients and byproducts associated with meth, and trains police in how to safely dismantle drug labs. The program needs about $800,000 every year to keep operating. Federal funding for the effort, along with direct federal aid to Missouri drug task forces, is expected to end soon as Washington shifts more money to homeland security programs, said a top Missouri Highway Patrol officer.

But police say the need for funding those programs and general fears about the dangers that drug labs pose to meth cooks, their children and the police would disappear if Missouri followed Oklahoma's lead.

"You can't solve the problem of murder. You can't solve the problems of burglary or child abuse. But the meth-lab problem has an answer, and it's staring everyone in the face," said Detective Jason Grellner, commander of the Franklin County drug task force and a leader of the drive to regulate pseudoephedrine.

Grellner admits that there is no easy answer to the meth-use problem. He said that addicts will find meth no matter how cold pills are regulated, but that tight controls could force meth to be imported like cocaine and heroin. Labs would disappear and police would have more resources to fight meth trafficking, he said.

The Oklahoma law met with stiff opposition from pharmaceutical companies and industry groups, which contended that the tight controls would inconvenience law-abiding consumers who simply want to stay healthy. Critics of the law said that most meth is made from cold pills illegally smuggled from Mexico and Canada, and that this supply wouldn't be affected by making pseudoephedrine a scheduled narcotic.

But police attending the meth summit said that drug companies are looking to protect to profits, not people. The pharmaceutical industry has "a moral responsibility" to stop their products from being used to make meth, says Duane Nichols, who works for the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy in Kansas City.

Nichols said, "When do their concerns about market share cross the line into complicity? I don't know where that line is, but the pharmaceutical companies are close to it."

Although it's unlikely that Missouri legislators will take up the issue this year, police promised to press lawmakers to adopt the Oklahoma law next year. At a press conference here, Missouri Gov. Bob Holden, who organized the summit, endorsed the effort.

"We will continue to look at ways to tighten up our laws on meth ingredients," Holden said. "If we get legislation, I will support it."
 
Pseudopathetic

Hey, will we be arrested for sneezing on authorities?

My allergies are so bad, I'd resist arrest just so the cops would beat the snot out of me!
 
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In AR I am limited to two boxes of pseudoephedrine being purchased at one time. I have to ask for them at most places, they are behind the counter. Instead of buying the whole remedies I buy the generic pseudoephedrine, and use Benadryl..add Tylenol if need. Just take for the symptom I'm having. New stuff don't work on me like Allegra and such.

Folks that don't have allergies don't understand.

I have alyways said if I had the money I would supply the guns /ammo and the large pc of land to let the BGs keep shooting till nobody left, Bulldoze 'em and be done with it.

Maybe I need to add the meth dealers, what folks don't get blown up , they could shoot each other. Bulldoze 'em and be done with it.

Makes more sense that what is currently being done, suggested in legislature and all.

I figure a good way to cleanse the gene pool, document the performance on ballistics, inexpensive firearms, ammo, gun lube...you name it and fertilize some land in need.

Is there a barren pc of land not in use? Anyone willing to donate to the 'social experiment"?

Gotta be cheaper than what the gummit(s) do. Take care of the bad apples and leave the honest citizen alone. Heck, we don't need another law for the BGs to disregard, and punish honest folks. Already proven these don't work.

"First Annual Meth Lab CookOff"

Let folks sell concessions ( way up the road before entering) , place bets on teams,rent binocs, helicopter rides to watch and whatall...be a money maker to boot.

Let the local LEO make some money for much needed training, vests equipment. Monies for schools, city improvements, care of the elderly - whatever.

Make money - not spend money/ enact a silly law.

I'm seeing beer trucks and ammo mfgs trucks, lawn chairs...and folks think a Chili "Cookoff" is something to see...:p
 
How long until boxes with more than 10 pills in them are labeled "assault medicines" as part of the ever continuing success of the WoSD?

The saddest part is how it should be a sarcastic, joking comment, but in reality it may very well happen. *sigh*
 
"We have an epidemic, and epidemics call for drastic measures," said John Jordan, sheriff of Cape Girardeau County.
Just over 200 years ago there was a freedom epidemic that broke out in much of North America. Pols have been working diligently ever since then (even using drastic measures at times) to get it under control. The epidemic has been fully arrested in some areas (MA, NY, NJ, Chicago, etc.).
 
I read last week that a woman is suing Coors because her underage son got drunk. Everybody's getting into the "blame the manufacturer" act....:mad:
 
"We have an epidemic, and epidemics call for drastic measures," said John Jordan, sheriff of Cape Girardeau County.
I think the common cold is still more common than meth addiction.

pax

Most people can't understand how others can blow their noses differently than they do. -- Ivan Turgenev
 
This is what upsets me most in the article:

The pharmaceutical industry has "a moral responsibility" to stop their products from being used to make meth, says Duane Nichols, who works for the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy in Kansas City.

Nichols said, "When do their concerns about market share cross the line into complicity? I don't know where that line is, but the pharmaceutical companies are close to it."

Duane Nichols isn't some acvtivist at VPC or a place like that. He's an employee of the White House. And he's advocating a policy of holding a private manufacturer of a legal product, responsible for it's misuse. Perhaps I'll write my congressman and ask him to find out if that's official administration policy. If it is, I want to know when gas stations will be held accountable for drive offs and retail establishments held accountable for shoplifting. As long as were dealing with meth, we might as well take anhydrous ammonia, coleman lantern fuel, lithium batteries and matches off the market, or at least require those buying them to register with the government.......:cuss:

Jeff
 
I was taking the deposition of a deputy Sheriff who began to rant about the eeevils of meth and meth production and how he could "expertly" tell whether someone is making meth just on the items that they buy in the grocery. I asked him why he didn't just arrest the manager of the grocery store for selling such eeevil such as cold medicine, matches, camera batteries, etc.

"Because none of that is illegal." Aha! :D

Worked great in trial.:cool:
 
Don't forget part about "Although most of the nation's meth is made at a small number of large drug labs in Mexico and California..."

As usual, discommode a large number of honest citizens because of some rather small problem. (Maybe a bit large in one local area, but comparatively small, overall.)

Art
 
El Tejon,

Yeah I recall a converstaion with a Sheriff that is not the most shining example of such dept. [hey not my fault his gun wouldn't work , he last shot the thing 6 months before for a qual and had one coming up - after we removed the stuck round from the gun, removed the green funk from chamber , lubed it it did cycle:p ]

He was ranting and raving about how his wife ,an RN,was questioned about buying pseudoephedrine, acetone,mineral spirits, some plastic buckets and such from a "mart" when she visited her sister out of town. She showed her Hospital ID , showed the off duty cop the pic of her husband in Sheriff uniform, and informed them she was helping her sister paint the "baby room" for expected arrival, and sinus season was here.

He was really angry, that "his wife" was subjected to this treatment. The wife took it pretty well and complied , didn't like it , but was cool and composed - he went ballistic.

I guess when the shoe of another is tried on it comes in a smaller size and hurts the foot. :)

Maybe I shouldn't have quipped "its for the children" - but I had his gun unsticking a stuck case, and after watching him shoot I'd been safe even if he had had it. :p

I really dont' care if folks want to do what they do. Just don't make me pick up the tab. Like I said give them a place to be alone amongst themselves. They are on thier own, deal with the consequences. I realize getting them off the streets and having the freedom to blow themselves up, die of drug overdose. gunshot wounds sounds bad...but hey they gonna do it anyway, just don't do it around me.

Yeah I know it might cut into what tilecrawlers and LEO's have to do to make a living. :D

So there is more time to focus on the young and nubile by tilecrawers and other presssing LEO needs ...so? :D
 
Yeah, but this Sheriff couldn't shoot and I seriously doubt even with the " more laws, less justice, more money for guns, ammo and training." this fella could improve.

I still think the " faster horses, younger women, older whiskey, and more money" theory and practice worked a bunch better. :D

At least back then we could buy cold meds, folks could actually shoot, we had justice, and never recall a mutant alien zombie bear/puma getting by with anything. Oh the good guy got the gal too!!

"You can't solve the problem of murder. You can't solve the problems of burglary or child abuse. But the meth-lab problem has an answer, and it's staring everyone in the face," said Detective Jason Grellner, commander of the Franklin County drug task force and a leader of the drive to regulate pseudoephedrine.
So I guess this means with the "problem of gummit meddlin" , "tort cases"and the like - all we need to get rid of the ridiculous folks that make such laws by voting them out, sticking with the Constitution and voting folks in that adhere to this old piece of parchment. Reform tort and prosecute the Bad guys with laws we have now that deal with murder , rape and such well...hey that makes sense.

Works for me.
 
I wonder if crank will help with your allergies???

I have to use both Zyrtec and Flonase to get me through the months when things grow outside, but it's worth it if I don't feel like clawing out my itching eyes and sneezing non-stop.
 
Man, I'm having allergies AND a cold right now. I would be miserable if I had to give up Sudafed.
 
The pharmaceutical industry has "a moral responsibility" to stop their products from being used to make meth, says Duane Nichols, who works for the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy in Kansas City.

How do I tell the Republicrats from the Democans?
 
But the meth-lab problem has an answer, and it's staring everyone in the face," said Detective Jason Grellner, commander of the Franklin County drug task force and a leader of the drive to regulate pseudoephedrine.

Yeah, legalize cocaine, and the meth lab will disappear. Though I'm guessing that's not the answer the detective had in mind. Too simple.

Though simple seems to be this guy's forte.
 
How about a ban on high capacity packages and a five day waiting period?

Ya know, though, seriously. The cure for the common cold has existed since the late 1800's. Bayer Pharmaceuticals held the patent on it. The problem was that some people used the cure for other than its intended purpose so the cure was banned. Because of that ban, millions across America, and billions acrioss the globe are relegated to five to seven days of abject misery once or twice a year. Millions of hours are lost in sick days and billions of dollars are lost in the marketplace and from the government's coffers.

What was this wonder drug that Dr. Bayer developed? It was the garbage that was previously thrown away after Opium was refined into Morphine. Dr. Bayer found its medicinal properties and marketed it under the trade name Heroin.
 
How about a ban on high capacity packages and a five day waiting period?
At least around these parts, we've already got a ban on high capacity packages.

It is illegal for me to buy three packages of medicine at a time.

It is illegal for me to possess in my own home enough cold medicine to last my large family for one week.

And most of the stores have the Sudafed stored back behind the counter in the pharmacy, so that if you work swing shift and routinely shop late nights, you can't get it at all.

Oddly enough, though, there's still plenty of meth in this county. Go figure.

pax

It has been said that man is a rational animal. All my life I have been searching for evidence which could support this. -- Bertrand Russell
 
They can make all the laws they want, it will just drive up the price and force these guys to shop for ingredients in Canada.

Police are great at blaming others for their inability to nail these guys and put them away. Do that and be effective at it using all the existing laws.

The solution is always more laws . . . . how long will it be before we are somehow comitting a felony making a pot of coffee in the morning?
 
Highland Ranger

... how long will it be before we are somehow comitting a felony making a pot of coffee in the morning?
They're working on it -- for the children, of course.

Children Increasingly Consuming Caffeine

Search for "Generation Wired: Caffeine Is the New Drug of Choice for Kids," The Nation, April 27, 1998) which is mentioned in the article. I have the article if you can't find it. It is archived HERE but you have to subscribe. I believe the membership is free for a couple of days and then it is a pay service.

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The_Antibubba: Hey, will we be arrested for sneezing on authorities?

My allergies are so bad, I'd resist arrest just so the cops would beat the snot out of me!

I hear ya man!

In the same Boat mysellf...:(
 
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