Opinions on H&K's

[basicblur]

Got a USPC40 and it’s one of my favorites, as well as the softest shooting 40 S&W I’ve got.
No complaints, although a picatinny rail instead of the proprietary one would be nice.

One thing I really like is I got it in Variant 1, which if you carry one in the pipe allows about the safest carry possible (de-cocked, safety on). I also like the size/location/function of the safety-darn near identical to a 1911-easy to knock off with your thumb.

Unfortunately, it may be the only HK I’ll own since HKs seem to have such large grips (the USPC is one of the few that fits my hand).

 

[Caipirinha]

I have a USPc. It's a nice gun but it is overpriced. I can't say I really care for the company either.

 

[Onmilo]

H&K pistols do have large grips, not a problem if, like me, you have large hands.
Get an Expert or Elite and try one out, you won't think all H&K have mushy triggers.
Since I normally carry the gun condition one, cocked and locked, I don't see the mushy trigger issue.
I don't like ANY double action only trigger action on ANY semi-auto handgun, they all suck.

H&K is overpriced, I agree, there are other handguns out there that will do the job for less money.
My biggest complaint is the cost of spare magazines for H&K pistols.
Fifty bucks a magazine is ridiculous in my opinion.

Still, if you are going to buy an H&K, an Expert, Elite, or Tactical Model would be and was my choice.
.45acp would be the caliber I would choose also, there are many, many 9mm pistols that are just as good and less expensive.
I feel the .45 acp USP is the gun to beat.

 

[PhillyGlocker]

I think HK's are nice, but for the price, I'll pass. I believe Glock has more to offer at a lesser price. Parts are everywhere, easier to maintain, probably more reliable, and just as accurate. Why not buy a Glock 19? You won't regret it.

 

[mr.trooper]

You SUCK, and they HATE you.

 

[thatguy123]

I have a Sig 226 and a USP9f and they are both great, but I trust my Sig more. I've run them both pretty dirty and the HK has had a couple FTE whereas I can't make the Sig hiccup. I thought the Sig would give me more trouble due to tighter tollerances, but it has not (don't believe everything you hear on the net) That said, I trust my life with both guns, and I think the FTE was a growing pain/break-in period anomaly, still, in a zombie attack I'd probably grab my AK first.

 

[Storm]

My experience owning and shooting HK pistols is with the HK4, VP70Z, P9S, PSP, USP full .40, USP Compact .40 (sold that one, I didn't like the grip feel), P2000, P2000SK and HK45. I also shoot Walther, Steyr, Glock, Sig, Smith & Wesson, Glock, FN, Ruger, Taurus, Magnum Research, Benelli, and a number of other brands. I count HK's as the overall finest regular production guns made. The price is high but the quality and reliability mitigates that factor. I refuse to judge a gun based on price. Whether I can afford it has nothing to do with its quality. Value shoppers may well be advised to look elsewhere, but if it's top notch quality in a regular production gun that you want you need look no further.

 

[Joe Demko]

I've had a USP 40 since 1999. In that time it has never malfunctioned once. After 1000's of rounds, it still looks new and prints nice, tight little groups.
The only criticisms I have are relatively trivial. The trigger reset is slightly longer than I prefer and the gun is a tad large for ccw. Even then, the reset is still shorter than that on other guns I've fired and the pistol was designed as a service pistol not a concealable piece.
When amortized over the life of the gun, the higher initial price compared to something like a Glock is trivial. I'm well satisfied with mine.

 

[Princi]

Fifty bucks a magazine is ridiculous in my opinion.

I guess you never bought a magazine for a Sig P210. Including shipping, it cost me $140, and that was 4 years ago. I'd hate to think what Sig gets for one now.

Broomstik45: you are my kind of guy. My limo driver called me a honky last month. I said: " Hey, sucker - you are from Bangledesh not Africa - you can't be calling me a honky. We were both laughing like crazy. He was picking on me because I'm white and my wife isn't.

I also agree with you concerning the H&K's, and like I said: I was ashamed at what I thought.

 

[hags]

My experience owning and shooting HK pistols is with the HK4, VP70Z, P9S, PSP, USP full .40, USP Compact .40 (sold that one, I didn't like the grip feel), P2000, P2000SK and HK45. I also shoot Walther, Steyr, Glock, Sig, Smith & Wesson, Glock, FN, Ruger, Taurus, Magnum Research, Benelli, and a number of other brands. I count HK's as the overall finest regular production guns made. The price is high but the quality and reliability mitigates that factor. I refuse to judge a gun based on price. Whether I can afford it has nothing to do with its quality. Value shoppers may well be advised to look elsewhere, but if it's top notch quality in a regular production gun that you want you need look no further.

Hey Storm, can I use this and change the word HK to Hi Point 995? Over 2300 rounds, no cleaning and many of those +P and +P+, not one FTF or FTE.

I mean you did say

I refuse to judge a gun based on price.

but then

Value shoppers may well be advised to look elsewhere,

Nah, hey, I'm just picking on ya....

But really,

The price is high but the quality and reliability mitigates that factor.

they're plastic!

 

[Storm]

Nah, hey, I'm just picking on ya....

All part of the fun!

they're plastic!

Ahem....polymer. (other than the HK4 and PSP)

Funny thing is that I really like steel and alloy framed guns as well.

Considering that I work extensively with plastics I got over the old fashioned notion of plastic equaling cheapness. To me plastics equals high tech.

 

[hags]

http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=4448591&postcount=126

 

[jetrecbn]

hags,
IMO. I think that a lot of companies address a myriad of shooters a lot better than Glock. It seems as if other companies address what shooters want. Look, I use a G19 as my defensive side arm, but I don't think that Glock INC has the most versatile line. I like the HK USP modular capabilities, but I don't own one. I like flavors. Glock line to me is just a vanilla shake in different size servings.

 

[hags]

Hey, I like HKs, the triggers on the USPs could be better and I think they're overpriced.
Unless for some reason you have to have one (ergos., polymer, variants 1-67, or whatever else) I think most people (and their wallets) would be better served by something else.

 

[X-Rap]

The H&K is a well made gun but not worth the extra $ if buying retail. If you plan to have extra high caps it will cost at least twice the price of Glocks per mag. plus less capacity, the rails are proprietory = + $. Parts and service at least in my part of the country and most cataloges lean strongly away from the H&K and more toward Glock. Given all these factors I like the Glocks, Must have bought the USPc at a weak moment.

 

[Guns and more]

I have the P-30 in 9-mm and it is the most reliable handgun I own. Everything is smooth and just works. Feels great in my hand. That's why it won out over the sig and I wanted to like the sig, but it didn't feel right in my hand. The P-30 felt like it was made for me.

 

[IMTHDUKE]

I'm new to the HK pistol owners family, but I've had over 50 years of firearms ownership in which to make an opinion on the HK P7 pistol, and that opinion is that it is the HK P7 is inherently most accurate pistol I've ever owned or shot.

I second that.

Here are the ones I own....I want an HK P2000SK....would recommend any of the below....HK is a quality weapon.

 

[poet]

do you have a preferred caliber that you want the pistol to come in?

 

[bwavec]

I have put a lot of rounds through my HK pistols, and they have served me well in a variety of situations in a bunch of different places. Reliable, durable and accurate out of the box.

Race guns they are not (and lack the ability to effectively be turned into one). Combat handguns they are: reliable, easy to maintain, but with a long stiff trigger (it gets better with use...and the match trigger kit is a great upgrade).

You have find which one feels best in your hands. Find a range that has some for rent and try them out.

 

[SeanMTX]

I'd recommend searching for deals on used HKs, especially on this site.

My only experience comes from a USPc .40 that I own. I bought it 'used', but I honestly couldn't tell it had been fired other than the 1 case that came from the factory.

Used, Variant 1, I got it for $550. At that price, it was cheaper than a G27 (with a few mods...night sights and Lone Wolf barrel) that I got here!

I have never had to deal with their customer service, so I cannot speak to that, but I will say that it feels, shoots and takes down like a tank. Nothing about it seems cheap, rushed or a cut corner. Now I don't shoot Les Baer or Rorbach (or whatever the hell THOSE overpriced things are called), so I might not be qualified to sound off on this. What I can say is that it's about as accurate as my G27 (stock vs trigger job, Meprolight sights, competition barrel etc), cycles like a dream with minimal muzzle flip and eats anything I toss at it. I would trust it with my life...which in all fairness I would the Glock as well..and I think that's the best compliment I can give it.


All that said, the Glock is my primary carry. Only because it's smaller, lighter and has outstanding ergonomics. I'd love to get a Crossbreed Supertuck for the HK to compare side to side...but I haven't done that yet.

 

[Storm]

I'd recommend searching for deals on used HKs,

That is good advice. Although they do hold their value well, deals can be had. Only one of my HK's was bought new as I have not seen any used HK45 yet in my area.

The only time that I buy a new gun is when I can't find one used.

 

[Onmilo]

Princi, I have owned two Sig 210 pistols.
At $140.00 a mag you got hosed, but I did pay something like $80.00 each for four spares, brand new in the packaging, so I guess I did too, but you can still find spares for $80.00 if you look hard enough..

I never should have sold both those 210s, at least I should have kept one.
Most accurate and sweetest shooting 9mm pistols I have ever owned.

 

[boomstik45]

Hags,

Never said the Glock couldn't fire +p rounds. Lord knows I've fired plenty myself. I was just saying that the USP line was designed to shoot the hotter/hottest loads (usually +p), whereas Glock is not, or at least they don't say so. So...that gives HK the durability edge in my mind with certain calibers. Since HK designed the USP .40 around the .40 and not the 9mm: durability edge. Same goes for the .357. I have no problems with Glocks in these calibers. They just weren't designed around them frame and slide-wise. So, enhancements have to be made. That is always less reliably durable than building from the ground up. But....that's just my opinion. I agree that HK triggers leave something to be desired. It's not a problem for me though. And HK's mag springs suck worse. That IS a problem, considering the price of the mags. Glock, HK...go with what works, is preferred, and is affordable. Best case scenario is to get both!


Princi,

No sweat. I have a good sense of humor. And while I am black, my wife is not. Only thing is....I don't tend to joke around with those names. I'm glad you and your limo driver can joke around like that, but not everybody can. So I prefer to err on the side of caution. It also helps avoid certain double standards....

 

[skywarp_]

Get a p7 be a connoisseur not a fanboy.

 

[Princi]

Onmilo, yes, I agree - I got hosed on the magazine. I bought directly from Sigarms - should have known better.

Broomstik45: you may have it worse than I do since you live in the deep south. I'm 8 years older than my wife, but she looks 20 years younger than I. A couple of years ago we were in a restaurant in Shanghai. A young Chinese girl, elegantly dressed, came in with a 60'ish white male. They walked by our table, she looked at my wife, smiled, and gave a nod with her head. Good thing I was on blood pressure medicine - I was fit to be tied.

The good news: sales people and waiters remember us.

Onmilo, have you shot or at least looked at the EAA Witness Elite Match? http://www.eaacorp.com/handguns-witness-elite-match-description.html

I have the cheapest one of the series, but I'm extremely impressed with it, especially when you consider the cost. It isn't a P210, but it sure is accurate and a great value.