Palmetto State Armory PSAK-47
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Lycidas Janwor
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I love PSA... just say'n.
dusty14u
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I would definitley be interested in one of these in the near future. I have been satisfied with my dealings with Palmetto and just received a package from them yesterday.
BluesDancer
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Fishbed77 and Gtscotty,
I just purchased on of the AKM247 models from Classic for $475 and am awaiting delivery to my FFL. I will advise how my experience goes with it (fit, finish, and durability) as soon as I am able.
Sam1911
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I know! Those Soviet idiots put that rear sight in the DUMBEST place. What a bunch of morons!
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Hate these silly eastern bloc guns!
In all seriousness, though, very cool that PSA is getting into the game. Between them and the new RWC Group up here in PA, and who knows how many other firms competing with Arsenal, Century, etc., the AK market will probably start to head back to the relative price point vis-a-vis ARs that it "should" hold.
Plus, I full expect to start seeing some of these makers start to push the Kalashnikov into the more modern territory to emulate and maybe even surpass the AK-12 that is not exactly available here yet.
WinThePennant
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Regarding IO Inc AKs. They make what is perhaps the most reviled and hated AK-47 (based on Internet commando reviewers). I can tell you, I love my IO Inc AK-47 to pieces. I'd put it up with any other AK for reliability. My God, but that rifle is so much fun to shoot. Eats anything. During the last Obama scare, I ordered whatever ammo I could find, and ran it through. It ate hollow points, Brown Bear, Silver Bear, Russian Army, etc., etc., and never hiccuped once. In fact, it ejects casings in the same exact spot every time. I've never had a gun of any kind that is so reliable and consistent. LOVE MY IO INC AK!!!
CraigC
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Yep and you just pictured three of the most popular rifles for aftermarket receiver sights, which is an immense improvement.
Where is the rear sight mounted on the 1903 Springfield? 1917? Enfield? M1 Garand? M-14? M-16/AR-15?
The AK was designed for a conscript army. Not trained riflemen. Anybody shoot an iron sighted AK in high power?
Whether anybody likes it or not, or feels the need to make snarky comments about it, a receiver sight and "Made in the USA" is what it will take for me to spend my money on an AK.
Sam1911
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Do you really have to ask?
Or, perchance, did you mean 1903A3?
C'mon Craig! I thought you knew mil-surp rifles better than THAT!
Now, of course I'm just engaging in a little friendly teasing here, but to call the Kalashinkovs "eastern block crap" and say "none ... for me" because the sights are set up just like the sights on a lot of other rifles you almost undoubtedly own already, and treasure, seems going way over the top of ridicule for no reason.
Yeah, you might like the clearly superior rear-mounted aperture style sights better, or the even FAR MORE clearly better optical sights. And just like your trusty Marlin or Winchester, you'll have to add them if that's a requirement for you. No big deal. Certainly not sufficient reason to deride a whole design type which has been successful enough to run into untold tens of millions of units fielded.
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CraigC
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I don't know a damn thing about milsurp rifles except that some of them make good sporters. That "ain't my thang". Does it matter? Do we really need to have a discussion about how much better receiver sights are? I don't want a rifle for making noise at the range but actually prefer to hit what I aim at one round at a time. A receiver sight doubles the AK's sight radius.
Looks like Tech Sights has the AK sights covered.
Looks like Tech Sights has the AK sights covered.
Sam1911
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Yup! So an AK is at least as good as a Win'94 or Mauser.
You're right. Certainly we didn't need to derail this thread about PSA making Kalashnikovs simply to discuss AK sights in general. That was an utterly pointless side-trip and I guess we both owe the rest of the posters our apologies.
Averageman
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You know I think if I was going to build AK's I might make a design change or two.
They are robust guns by design, they just don't have a few things that make the AR a much smarter choice.
They are robust guns by design, they just don't have a few things that make the AR a much smarter choice.
Sam1911
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That's exactly what I'm hoping will start happening here. The Russians have been working on improving the Kalashnikov for a while now, we just haven't been able to get our hands on those improved versions. But with makers setting up to turn out high-quality domestically produced AKs, surely we'll soon see them incorporating clear improvements. Either directly copying the AK-12, or maybe branching out to incorporate design details from the Tantal, Galil, and Valmet variations, the changes made in the AKS-74U top cover, or new ideas of their own.
Exciting times!
courtgreene
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I'll buy one if they offer a .308win. I was hoping to get a Saiga 308 before we and Russia got in a pissing contest.
Jackal
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Go grab a Vepr .308 off an auction site. They havnt really gone up in price much and VEPR's are better fit/finish than Saiga's.
justice06rr
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First time hearing about this PSA AK. Sounds interesting, but they should lower their pricepoint considering many AK's are now below $500.
$600-700 for the PSAK-47 is still high IMO. If they want to be more competitive, I'd say they need to price it in the $500-550 range. And considering PSA's less-than-stellar Costumer Service reputation, I'd be weary of buying the first batch of these and having issues come up.
Would be nice too see some of the popular Youtuber's do a full test and review on these to see how well it stacks up against European AK's.
$600-700 for the PSAK-47 is still high IMO. If they want to be more competitive, I'd say they need to price it in the $500-550 range. And considering PSA's less-than-stellar Costumer Service reputation, I'd be weary of buying the first batch of these and having issues come up.
Would be nice too see some of the popular Youtuber's do a full test and review on these to see how well it stacks up against European AK's.
Depends what the specs are. If it has a hammer forged chrome lined 4150 barrel, proper thickness heat treated receiver, proper double stack bolt, chromed piston rod, squared sights, and decent furniture, then sub $700 would be a good price point and on par with most AR offerings these days.
henschman
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Looks interesting... though I am also skeptical of U.S. made AKs. I don't really see a reason why a quality AK couldn't be made here... I just haven't seen a whole lot of them. I would definitely want the side optic mount. It is good for a lot more than Eastern Bloc optics. The RS Regulate line of mounts let you put pretty much anything you want on them, will co-witness an Aimpoint with the irons, and does it interfacing with the original design rather than introducing new failure points, and allows for field stripping with optics mounted. TWS mounts are weak and failure-prone, and Tech Sights make the rifle a lot more of a PITA to field strip.
As for iron sights, I prefer the AK's sights over peep sights for a fighting rifle, or a hunting rifle for that matter. Peep/aperture sights are great for the target range and gun games like High Power and CMP, where you have nice contrasting black-on-white targets shot in broad daylight, with the primary goal of shooting tiny little groups on paper... but the fact that you are looking through a little pin hole to see the target makes them decidedly not optimal for low light use or use on targets that are shadowed or that blend with the background. The DOD has a long history of adopting fighting rifles based on how they do on the National Match course of fire, rather than what would be most useful in a gunfight. Nowadays it doesn't matter as much, as just about any serious fighting rifle will be equipped with good rugged optics, with the irons used only in case of a failure. About the only way the AK's sights could be made any better is if they were easier to adjust.
As for iron sights, I prefer the AK's sights over peep sights for a fighting rifle, or a hunting rifle for that matter. Peep/aperture sights are great for the target range and gun games like High Power and CMP, where you have nice contrasting black-on-white targets shot in broad daylight, with the primary goal of shooting tiny little groups on paper... but the fact that you are looking through a little pin hole to see the target makes them decidedly not optimal for low light use or use on targets that are shadowed or that blend with the background. The DOD has a long history of adopting fighting rifles based on how they do on the National Match course of fire, rather than what would be most useful in a gunfight. Nowadays it doesn't matter as much, as just about any serious fighting rifle will be equipped with good rugged optics, with the irons used only in case of a failure. About the only way the AK's sights could be made any better is if they were easier to adjust.
The big problem is the PSA bus is always VERY late....
Sam1911
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Everybody keeps mentioning that, but I rather doubt this new PSA rifle production venture will have much to do with the supply chain side of their retail business of a large assortment of gun parts from various sources. Could be, but I don't see much need to assume that. (And I've never waited very long form anything from PSA.)
I'm currently at day 34 of an order of reloading stuff. The order previous to this was 31 days. I had 9 orders in Nov/Dec and not one was ready in less than 2 weeks.
The times I've stated do NOT include shipping time.
To be clear I like PSA and have spent well over $20k there since they opened, but they are really trying hard to alienate buyers. Starting to remind me of Botach.
I would like to see them improve their act, especially since they are a local company.
Zerodefect
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For guys wanting an "improved AK", Sig already makes that.
Although I'd rather have the 5.56 version with normal mags, and mag releases than the funky AK mag release.
Although I'd rather have the 5.56 version with normal mags, and mag releases than the funky AK mag release.
SIG's rifles seem to have become notoriously unreliable
http://m.youtube.com/?reload=7&rdm=1eb7ce5ks#/watch?v=6c5M66da820
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That's supposed to be a joke, right?
Maybe their Swiss-made guns, but certainly not the US-made rifles they foist on us. Consider the experiences of Sturmgeweher/Military Arms Channel. I trust what this guys says, and out of 4 SIG rifles he reviewed, all 4 had problems (reliability or accuracy problems) not counting ordered ones that were so poor he wouldn't accept them.
As an owner of the TWS top rail I couldn't disagree more. Something like an RS side mount is a much better mounting solution for optics on an AK IMHO.
Comparing the TWS to out dated side mounts with outdated optics on them and then declaring the TWS better than all side mounts is kind of interesting.
I guess that depends on your definition of "improved." I was hopeful that the sig 556r would be that when it was first announced. Sadly it seems to have been nothing but a problem child. I know it has been changed and some of the issues were addressed. However the last time I was looking at them they still appeared to be a no go. I admittedly moved on a while ago. Its possible that they have finally gotten there act together and figured out how to make that gun but I'd be doing a lot of research (and not taking the word of shills like Gabe Suarez) before I bought one.
The gun that looks the most promising for an improved AK is the new galil ace. I don't like to be an early adopter with guns. However, I'd be much more interested in the ace than a US made sig rifle at this point.
Quick Shot xMLx
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PSA shipping is inconsistent to say the least. I ordered a 226 from them last summer which took 15 business days to ship. I then ordered a CM9 for the labor day sale which took 4 business days, while a friend ordered another VZ2008 around the same time which took 14 business days. I just ordered a complete lower a few weeks ago and that took 5 business days to ship.
So yea, you never know what to expect.
So yea, you never know what to expect.
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