Paper on the line again

Appreciate that. Now that's self-sufficient for sure. My supply of empty cartridges should last for a long time for my Remington. The 1862 being my small game getter, I just plan to feed that with loose powder and ball. And with pouch and flask I can load it pretty fast. So, I'm good, but thanks again.
 
I went a little crazy with paper cartridges and have tools from several manufacturers, all of which are satisfactory. I suppose making them myself wouldn't have been too much of a trick, but store-bought was cheap enough.

I did end up making my own boxes, in addition to several different store-bought versions.
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Boxes on the left are from "capandball" of YouTube, with homemade scrap wood versions on the right.

The funny thing is that I have been getting away from shooting cartridges. I don't particularly enjoy making them, and find that conicals perform poorly in game and are generally less accurate than round balls. The only real advantage for me is that they save time while shooting, which isn't really a bonus for me.
 
.38 Special said:
I went a little crazy with paper cartridges and have tools from several manufacturers, all of which are satisfactory. I suppose making them myself wouldn't have been too much of a trick, but store-bought was cheap enough.

I did end up making my own boxes, in addition to several different store-bought versions.
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Boxes on the left are from "capandball" of YouTube, with homemade scrap wood versions on the right.

The funny thing is that I have been getting away from shooting cartridges. I don't particularly enjoy making them, and find that conicals perform poorly in game and are generally less accurate than round balls. The only real advantage for me is that they save time while shooting, which isn't really a bonus for me.
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The boxes...! Now that's the cool stuff! The ultimate for safe and dry. Other than for testing the paper cartridges, learning to use them, checking the accuracy, etc., I see them more, for me, as emergency ammo. In some back-woods, wilderness "situation" I think they could "come in handy". For just plain "shooting", or reloading in the field under normal circumstances, again, the cap pouch with ball or bullets, and the flask and capper around my neck will work well. Again, I think of the cartridges as my emergency extra ammo. Survival stuff. !!!
 
38 Special,
That's a pretty cool picture. As for the conicals not performing well on game, you are correct. Round nose and especially pointed bullets are poor performers on game. Go to Accurate Moulds website and go to the catalog. Pick out a flatpointed conical with a wide flatpoint and point that at game, the results will surprise you. Handguns are my favorite hunting tool, with proper loads our favorite revolvers are plenty capable. They punch way above their weight class. If you don't cast, pm me.
 
Navy Six 2 said:
I do encounter that "ring" of paper at the bottom of the chamber, but only occasionally. More often I find a bit of paper adhered to the cylinder wall. My difference may lie in the fact I make a straight tube of paper instead of a cone shape like most do. Go back a couple of years on here and look up the tutorials done by "The Outlaw Kid" and you'll see what I mean. His descriptions were superb and making a straight tube almost the inside diameter of the chamber allows me to squeeze in a few extra grains of powder in the .36s. I need that extra punch if I use the Navies at a Cowboy Match and they have knock down targets.
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He sure was a handy fella wasn’t he? Those cartridges were almost too purty to shoot.
 
woodnbow said:
He sure was a handy fella wasn’t he? Those cartridges were almost too purty to shoot.
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Yep, that's what I got from him in a trade, a whole bunch, sans powder. So I just powder them, (figured that shipping them loaded might draw the wrong attention) put them on a bullet, and good to go. I forgot to mention that sometimes I will only carry cartridges in a tin, no loose powder and ball, when I want to get as much off the pistol belt (flask and pouch) as possible.

On ball vs. bullet for hunting, what kind of game are we talking about ? The difference between the two, as far as I know, is that the lighter ball, at higher velocity has more "smack down" and less penetration, whereas the bullet has more penetration, and less "smackdown". So for small game, grouse squirrels and rabbits, I'd always choose a ball, and then a bullet for larger game such as skunk, porky-pine, or small deer at close range. For defense against Mr. Wolf or Mr. Cougar, either one. ?

And of course, to get more smack-down from a bullet, a wide metplat is the way to go. If I had to take a shot at Mr. Grizz with my 1860 (dang I hope not) I'd want all the penetration I could get, as there is so much hide, fat tough muscle and bone to go through.
 
Nice shooting @armoredman
I wish I could find some more of that Old E for sale these days.

Jackrabbit1957 said:
The only part that remains with the curling papers is a small ring of paper in the bottom of the chambers from where the bottom of the cartridge is glued on. So far I haven't seen any thing smoldering from that ring. After shooting a good handful of cartridges I only find one of those rings left behind in the chambers. Makes me think they either get blown out or it burns up the previous ring.
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I found the same thing using end papers, just the rings where the base was glued left behind. I have thankfully never had a "smoldering bits in the chamber" incident.

A couple years back I started using Duco brand cement and it seems to produce a more complete burn compared to the old glue stick I was using. The cement says its flammable in liquid and cured form.
 
@Pete453 That craft glue says its flammable and also waterproof!

May be a good combination for what we're doing! And by my math your container is one quarter the price of the Duco.
 
I looked up the MSDS sheet for the Beacon 3-in-1 glue and found this. One of the ingredients listed is cellulose nitrate, which is also listed in Duco Cement's MSDS. That stuff should work well for combustible cartridges.
 
Might not want to be breathing too much of that glue vapor.

Elmers paper paste and Raw cig papers (hemp) are the number one bar none way to go.
 
Ugly Sauce said:
I've got some scary rested groups out of my 1862 at the ten-15 yard mark. My Uberti New Model Army in Navy caliber is very accurate. They can be as accurate as anything else I think. Armoredman's off hand group is excellent...but I am not surprised!
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The darn things shoot! I can't wait to try paper cartridges.
25 yards, rested:
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I went out to a jobsite to oversee a center pivot installation today and they had picket pins (ground Squirrels) all over the place so I told them I had just the thing for vermin. Pulled out the fluted 1860 and we went to work on the little buggers. We killed a half dozen and put the fear of Zeus into a couple dozen more before we went back to work. The customer wants to buy my 1860 in the worst way… I’m not selling that one but I have a dandy round cylinder Colt Army I’ll give him when the job’s completed.
 
So, I tried again with the wax lubed paper cartridges, and a dab of Bore Butter on the center pin. Functioning was flawless EXCEPT for the one cap that fell off. I grabbed the CCI number 10s by mistake - the #11s never fall off. The wax lube flaked off the fronts, made a bit of a mess. I was distracted by the other people on the line who decided it would be fun to film the guy with the hand cannon...whatever.

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Some residue was left behind, a bit of the cigarette paper. The TrueWave end papers were completely consumed. The big iron cleaned up nicely, and back to the cartridge making kit...
 
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