Pietta vs. Uberti (58 Remy)

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My thought on Remmy's, or really any cap n' ball revolver, is that as long as the sight is of a historically correct style, it should be considered historically correct. A dovetail front or rear sight was an easy and common modification back in the day.
 
jmar said:
If I recall correctly the NMA never came with the sight current Ubertis have, early ones came with silver cone sights then they went to non-adjustable pressed sights like the Piettas. If a Uberti was antiqued to look like an original you could tell at first glance its fake because of the fantasy sights. That being said the Pietta I got had some quality control issues so next time I'll probably buy a Uberti and make a replica cone sight.
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The original NMA shown above your post isn't a cone. But it does seem as though I've seen a Remington (non pocket model) with a cone, but most have been a blade.

Granted I'm no historian or collector.
 
Cooldill said:
Yuck, the Ubertis take the hard to find and pricier .457 balls?

Hoping they'd take .454s....
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The cost of round ball these days pushed me to get into casting my own. No regrets. And best of all I've always got a good supply. Or if I find I'm short I've only myself to blame. But if I do find myself short for a match I can heat up the pot and cast enough to make it through the day in about 20 minutes for the lead to get liquid while I'm packing up the other stuff then about 15 minutes to cast up enough to get me through the busiest of days.

I've not been a slave to "supply and demand" since I set up for doing this.

I've got a pair of mid 90's vintage Uberti '58's that I use for cowboy action and fun plinking. While they do prefer .457's they can do OK with .454's too. The .454's still shave off a light and interrupted ring but the balls certainly don't fall out on the ground or even walk out from shooting the first few chambers.
 
BCRider said:
The cost of round ball these days pushed me to get into casting my own. No regrets. And best of all I've always got a good supply. Or if I find I'm short I've only myself to blame. But if I do find myself short for a match I can heat up the pot and cast enough to make it through the day in about 20 minutes for the lead to get liquid while I'm packing up the other stuff then about 15 minutes to cast up enough to get me through the busiest of days.

I've not been a slave to "supply and demand" since I set up for doing this.

I've got a pair of mid 90's vintage Uberti '58's that I use for cowboy action and fun plinking. While they do prefer .457's they can do OK with .454's too. The .454's still shave off a light and interrupted ring but the balls certainly don't fall out on the ground or even walk out from shooting the first few chambers.
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I'm not interested in casting. I have read the Uberti takes .454 balls, not .457.
 
BCRider said:
The cost of round ball these days pushed me to get into casting my own. No regrets.
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It was conicals for my cap n balls that pushed me as I needed mine to have a nice wide meplat. Nothing to choose from then but Kaido's, which he was selling at $40/100 + shipping and later increased to $50. At $1 per pound of lead I can create 35 of my 195 grn WFN bullets with no shipping, no waiting, and no concerns of availability. I have easily recouped the cost of the custom mold ( a bit over $200) and the casting equipment (maybe $50). I get 48 .457" balls for that same dollar or 21 of the 320 grn Lee REALs. Can't beat that!
 
Well, do you want to sit and look at it and know it's historically correct, or do you want to SHOOT the danged thing? Personally, my favorite cap and ball is my ROA and it ain't a replica of squat! Second fave is my 5.5" Pietta '58 Remmy. It doesn't shoot right to POA, but I know the Kentucky windage it takes and it's quite accurate.

Heck, I own a brass framed .44 caliber "Navy Colt". I've had folks serious enough to draw down on me over that. :rolleyes: Heck, it's MY gun and MY money. Why are they so worked up?
 
MCgunner said:
Well, do you want to sit and look at it and know it's historically correct, or do you want to SHOOT the danged thing? Personally, my favorite cap and ball is my ROA and it ain't a replica of squat! Second fave is my 5.5" Pietta '58 Remmy. It doesn't shoot right to POA, but I know the Kentucky windage it takes and it's quite accurate.

Heck, I own a brass framed .44 caliber "Navy Colt". I've had folks serious enough to draw down on me over that. :rolleyes: Heck, it's MY gun and MY money. Why are they so worked up?
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Simmer down Charlie Brown! I want BOTH! :)
 
Components were hard to find not so long ago. As were certain molds. It's why I began buying caps by the thousand.
 
I've often read that the competition fellas prefer the larger ball (.457"). And from what little testing I've seen it typically increases the velocity a bit with the same load, and in grossly undersized chambers, such as the Pietta Remington Pocket, seriously increases this and the accuracy. I assume it is giving more lead available to obturate and fill the gaps (grooves).

I feed my Pietta NMA .457" balls but my chambers have also been reamed to .449" and chamfered. I had thought my groove diameter was .452" but looked back at the pics I took of the ball used to measure my bore and found I recalled it wrong, that it is actually .453" with lands of .442". With original chambers of .446" that leaves a great need for lead to fill that gap. And I assume some of the energy that would/should be propelling the projectile is being used instead to obturate. And maybe it's minuscule and unimportant. But I strive for efficiency in most things I do.

From what I believe I recall about the Uberti model the chambers run .450" and the grooves run .452". I'd prefer that over the grossly undersized offering of Pietta. Sure do wish I knew it was safe to open my chambers to .453" like my ROA (or even .451" would make me happier) using the loads I see it likes (33 grns weighed Olde E with my 195 grn WFN). But with chambers as thin as they are I'm hesitant to go much further.
 
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Best? That would be the Hege-Remington. Andy Baumkircher is doing a .36 Remington (heavily reworked and rebarreled Pietta) that's got potential. The Pedersoli is starting to build a reputation. The Pietta Shooter's Model is OK if you get a full-house trigger job done on it.
 
MCgunner said:
Heck, I can even make my own caps, though it's a pain and I'd rather just buy 'em. Store bought work better, too. :D
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I've considered trying to make them. From what little I've read they aren't as powerful or as reliable as commercial caps.

I was fortunate enough to have been gifted a set of primer capsules that use large primers for my ROA. I've considered one of those conversion nipples for my muzzleloader rifle just in case as well.

I've also contemplated making a small batch of black powder, but knowing if a mistake is made things can go very badly for myself any anyone around me I don't think I'll be venturing that way without someone knowledgeable showing me. I weigh consequences much more now that I'm older.
 
Yeah, I've pretty much shelved the black powder home production idea, myself. I'm a little better off this year financially and might, for the first time, make an online order for a bulk shipment of BP. It ignites a lot easier than pyrodex.

I have an old tap-o-cap and I also can use plastic caps for toy cap guns. The tap-o-cap produced caps are better, but not as good as store bought. I think the holy black would cure that. :D

My ROA is most reliable. Seems the nipples have larger holes. You can see that just looking through them.

I converted my Cabela's Hawken Hunter Carbine to the small rifle primer ignition quite some time ago. It's quite reliable with CCI 450 primers. It would likely be more reliable with percussion caps with ffg, but getting BP is problematic. One thing I do with my other sidelock rifle is pull the nipple and put a bit of Pyrodex RS under it, screw the nipple back down. THAT seems to work, but it's a pain. I don't shoot that rifle that much, anyhow.
 
I'd much prefer a conversion nipple for my rifle that uses large primers over shotgun primers just for the sake of ease.

I've not had any issues igniting Pyrodex or Triple 7 with percussion caps. I don't see any delay compared to Olde Eynsford either. But I like the price of Olde E compared to T7, and don't care for the fouling I get with Pyrodex.

I haven't looked for local BP where I'm at now (just NW of Austin) but when I lived in San Antonio I couldn't find Swiss powder anywhere. But that was prior to Goex producing Olde E. Maybe it's easier to find now. But I do like buying from Grafs. No more wasted trips just to find the powder I want isn't available. I feel buying 3 lbs at a time makes it worth while.
 
Well, I heard there was a gun shop in NW San Antonio that carried BP, but It's 80 miles down Hwy 90A to Seguin, then all the way the other side of SA. I figure about 150 miles, so I haven't made the trip. I think I'd rather spend some money on hazmat fees than on gasoline in my Silverado.

Try as I might, I can't find it in Houston, the biggest city in Texas and 4th largest in the US. But, heck, Houston is 100 miles from me to the east and I don't like driving in that Gawd awful place, anyhow.
 
Its little off topic, but you can buy black powder & caps from Powder, Inc in Clarksville AR, in a 5 lb, 10 lb or 25 lb case. The more you buy, the cheaper the price per pound, which includes shipping and hazmat charges. We always pool an order between friends and order a 25 lb case or two. I think GOEX is about $18/pound in the 25 lb case, and that includes shipping and hazmat charges. The powder comes right to your doorstep via UPS.
 
Cooldill said:
I don't want adjustasights.

This is a 19th century Victorian Era gun and I want it to look and feel like it, not a modern fantasy piece decked out.

Does it come with a Picadilly rail, too? :scrutiny:
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I have a period-correct tactical flashlight (candle) mounted on mine.
 
Cooldill if the Pietta shoots to the left or right how except using " Kentucky Windage" are you going to fix it? At least with the Uberti you have an adjustable front sight to correct it.

With a Colt you can fix it also by cutting a 'V' notch in the rear sight on the hammer a slight bit to the left or right as long as its not to radical but on a Remington you only have the front sight to adjust.
 
MCgunner said:
Well, I heard there was a gun shop in NW San Antonio that carried BP, but It's 80 miles down Hwy 90A to Seguin, then all the way the other side of SA. I figure about 150 miles, so I haven't made the trip. I think I'd rather spend some money on hazmat fees than on gasoline in my Silverado.

Try as I might, I can't find it in Houston, the biggest city in Texas and 4th largest in the US. But, heck, Houston is 100 miles from me to the east and I don't like driving in that Gawd awful place, anyhow.
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The Powderhorn? Been there once. Fairly small but nice.

Like you I'd prefer to have it shipped than to make a trip like that hoping I'd be satisfied, though you likely would be. Sure is nice having it delivered though.

I hear you about going anywhere near Houston! Worked out there for a few months and found it one of the most distasteful places I've been to. Found out you can't use the blinker until you are actually changing lanes or else they'll speed up to keep you from doing so. Awful place to live and too humid and rainy for my taste.

You near Shiner?
 
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