Pietta vs. Uberti (58 Remy)

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The Powderhorn? Been there once. Fairly small but nice.

Like you I'd prefer to have it shipped than to make a trip like that hoping I'd be satisfied, though you likely would be. Sure is nice having it delivered though.

I hear you about going anywhere near Houston! Worked out there for a few months and found it one of the most distasteful places I've been to. Found out you can't use the blinker until you are actually changing lanes or else they'll speed up to keep you from doing so. Awful place to live and too humid and rainy for my taste.

You near Shiner?
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I don't recall the name of the place, seems like "Don's Guns" is in the back of my head. I only remember "Don's" because there's a "Don's Firearms in Victoria I've done business with, got my ROA there dirt cheap when he was selling out of BP stuff. Powderhorn? I'll have to remember that. :D Should be easy to remember. I have some property near Powderhorn Ranch in Calhoun County. Thanks for the Powderhorn tip :D. But, I never go to SA. Wife has some family there, but we always meet at "Aunt Virginia's" near Sequin. :D

We live in the woods near Sheridan/Rock Island which is between Hallettsville and Eagle Lake. Shiner is 35 miles west.
 
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Ah, yes, Don's Guns. Been there once as well. The Powderhorn is much better I believe as it's BP oriented. But it's also a bit further than Don's. They are both on Loop 410, but The Powderhorn is nearer to Hwy 90.

So which is Sodom and which is Gomorrah?
 
Gang I had the Uberti in my shopping cart last night and my finger on the order button...

I just couldn't do it.

I have read earlier the Colts are more reliable and don't bind so much. But don't the Remingtons handle caps better?

Which is more reliable? The Remy or Colts?
 
Cooldill said:
Gang I had the Uberti in my shopping cart last night and my finger on the order button...

I just couldn't do it.

I have read earlier the Colts are more reliable and don't bind so much. But don't the Remingtons handle caps better?

Which is more reliable? The Remy or Colts?
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There's some truth there. The Colt's arbor handles fouling much better by design. However a Remington can be made to run like that as well I found. Prior to doing anything my NMA would begin to really bind in the third cylinder. I was told to apply Ballistol to the pin, which indeed made it keep running. I typically reapply a bit after the third or fourth not because I see it dragging but just because. I mean to test it and see just how long it will run.

The NMA seems to handle spent caps MUCH better. Mine has never had an issue with maybe 400-500 rounds through it. But a Colt, with work, can be made to be reliable as well. It seems the safety notch in the hammer nose needs some softening and the recoil shield needs a better cap groove. A cap rake seems to also help in place of working on the notch.

I'm not an 1860 guy. I just don't care for the flair and prefer the look of the Dragoon or Walker. But then you aren't talking about belt pistols anymore...

Another thing I've read is that though the Colt has a longer sight radius due to the V being in the hammer instead of on the frame there is a bit of slop in the hammer that it moves a bit left to right. It makes sense, though I can't say.

I much prefer the NMA (or ROA for that matter) to the Colt for anything but the ability to swap barrels.
 
I've always thought the Colt 1860 to be the more aesthetically pleasing of the percussion revolvers but obviously that's a matter of taste. I've had no issues with cap fouling on that or the NMA I have (both Piettas), but out of habit I do usually tip to the right when cocking to clear the spent cap. I've fitted the arbor on the '60, refined the timing and installed a taller front sight on mine and it's far and away my favorite between the two - but again it's really a matter of preference. I'm not convinced that the 1858 NMA frame is that much stronger than the 1860, in fact if I were to ever buy a .45 Colt conversion cylinder it would be for the 1860 because I like it that much better.
 
Armored farmer said:
It's give and take.
The Colts are iconic BP revolver.

I believe that the Remington has the better frame. Maybe more modern feel??

If you think you might want a conversion cylinder, go with the Remington.

You can't go wrong.
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I just did a search in the Library of Congress' newspaper archives for "Colt's Revolver' in Kansas form 1859 to 1863. There were literally hundreds of pages of newspapers to read through. The search phrase "Colt's revolver' was highlighted in each one and in many a multiple of times.

I agree there Armored Farmer, the Colt is an icon. :)
 
I'd certainly like to see a good comparison between an original Colt and the various reproductions where the hammer safety notch, as well as the recoil shield cut out is concerned.

It seems many have an issue with a repro well before a cylinder has been gone through. Colt obviously wouldn't have the name it does if they, too, were cap jam-o-matics. I'd venture to guess Mr Beliveau is on to something here.
 
As a shooter, I prefer the Remington. I've had a Couple of 51 Colts and the Remington out shoots 'em by a big margin. It shoots quite tight. As for the fouling, I just wipe the pin with a wet rag when I pull the cylinder out, keeps going that way. I load my cylinders off the gun and have the cylinder out, anyway. I have 3 cylinders for it and by the third, yeah, it'll start getting sticky. I also have a Howell conversion cylinder for it in .45ACP. I cast 200 grain SWCs for .45ACP and they shoot as accurately and to same POA as the BP loads.

When I shoot my '51 Colt, I will lower the gun muzzle down before cocking the hammer. That way, if the cap falls off, it falls to the ground rather than into the gun jamming the hammer. This is a far more bothersome problem to me than fouling in the Remington, but I handle it fine in this way. In a fire fight, I wouldn't want to deal with the cap jam thing. Back in the day, soldiers carried multiple handguns in the cavalry so, so long as it fired 6 rounds without gumming up, you were golden. :D But, I don't go to war with cap and ball revolvers. I carry cartridge guns on a daily basis in the real world. So, these cap and ball deficiencies are merely inconveniences to me, not a life and death problem. :D
 
Ephraim Kibbey said:
Crawdad1 - Were the hits more in articles or more in advertisements?
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Looking back through there was a lot just in advertisements. But some very interesting accounts of some gunfights. One thing I noted in a couple of fights was that they had their revolvers in their coat pockets.
 
Crawdad1 said:
Looking back through there was a lot just in advertisements. But some very interesting accounts of some gunfights. One thing I noted in a couple of fights was that they had their revolvers in their coat pockets.
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There were a lot of pocket pistols made, my'62 Police is a good pocket fit.
 
44 Dave said:
There were a lot of pocket pistols made, my'62 Police is a good pocket fit.
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Dead on Dave!!! Three Kansas guys were traveling home from Lawrence KS on Dec 5th 1855 were accosted by seven members of the Kansas home guard and one was described as having a 5 inch Colt's revolver (Pocket?). One of the three had a '51 Navy while the other guy's revolver was described as a 5 inch Colt's revolver, maybe another Pocket possibly(?). Great description of the fight.

Colt's are icons.
 
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Let's keep it on the Remys, guys. I really don't care if Colts are icons, this is a Remy thread.
 
Cooldill said:
Gang I had the Uberti in my shopping cart last night and my finger on the order button...

I just couldn't do it.

I have read earlier the Colts are more reliable and don't bind so much. But don't the Remingtons handle caps better?

Which is more reliable? The Remy or Colts?
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You're the one who brought the Colts into this discussion, not us. We're here just to make your decision just that much more difficult.
 
Cooldill said:
Not sure how we got on pocket
pistols.... oh my brian hurts... :(
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Reading your prior posts Cooldill you use to love that '51 Navy you bought, you have to ask yourself why did you sell it.
When you answered that question then you can decide what do you want next, if anything. :)
 
I have 3 1858's , 3 1851's, 1 Walker, 1 1860 and 1 1849. I even have a Rogers & Spencer and an NAA .22 percussion mini revolver. All are reproductions. I buy what I like. I don't have nearly as many guns as some here but I am proud of my collection. There are a few that I have sold along the way that i wish I had not sold but I think that is true of any gunowner.
 
Cooldill said:
I don't want adjustasights.

This is a 19th century Victorian Era gun and I want it to look and feel like it, not a modern fantasy piece decked out.

Does it come with a Picadilly rail, too? :scrutiny:
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Look at these original Remington revolvers, looks like a dovetailed front sight to me.

https://www.rockislandauction.com/detail/72/3139/cased-remington-new-model-army-percussion-revolver

http://www.antiqueguns.com/index.ph...vil-war/44-cal-percussion-hand-guns/page-1798

Get the Uberti, go have some fun blasting away. At least with the Uberti Remington if POA doesn't equal POI you can fix it.
 
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Cooldill said:
Yuck, the Ubertis take the hard to find and pricier .457 balls?

Hoping they'd take .454s....
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I've got a bunch of 451 round balls left over from a 1858 Remington I owned back in the 70's. Was thinking of getting another one. Will these balls not fit the more modern ones?
 
Charliefrank said:
I've got a bunch of 451 round balls left over from a 1858 Remington I owned back in the 70's. Was thinking of getting another one. Will these balls not fit the more modern ones?
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Pietta chambers run about .446" whereas an Uberti runs about .450" in a Remington model, though I'd venture to guess they use the same reamers for their other models, though it's just a guess.

If you cast then I'd remake them into at least a .454" ball, especially with a Pietta as the chambers are grossly undersized and can utilize the extra mass of the sheared sides for obturation which is evidenced in many chronographed results using the same powder charge but larger ball.
 
I have both pietta and Uberti. The uberti is a touch smoother action. The pietta is more accurate l. I like the feel of the pietta better. As far as having a dovetail front sight. It doesn't matter. My pietta was off a bit and I just turned the barrel to adjust poi/poa. And a file for elevation. Pretty simple really. I also have a conversion for the pietta. It's awesome with that thing. For the money pietta is the way to go. Ymmv
 
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