Pistol caliber carbine poll / semi-autos only

[Charlie98]

...as the FN PS-90 wasn't an option. I really like mine.

I have a real curiosity of those. Next time I'm in Las Vegas I'm going to rent a full-auto P90 just to take it for a test drive...

 

[Chuck R.]

I predominately us mine as an AR15 "trainer", so it's AR9 for me (Colty AR6951 specifically). Changed out the furniture for Magpul, and the trigger for a Geisselle SSA-E so it matches the AR I keep for HD.

Chuck

 

[Vern Humphrey]

None of the above. If I'm going to carry something that looks like a rifle, and weighs as much as a rifle, I want a rifle.

On my first tour in Viet Nam, our team had a Thompson submachine gun. I kept it in the jeep -- it weighed as much as an M1 Rifle, but only shot .45 ACP ammo. Now a days I'd pick an M4 over any pistol caliber carbine.

 

[LoonWulf]

I own a hipoint, and the only other pcc that interest me is the WA Linda.

A mag thru grip locked bolt gun in capable of handling .460 rowland would get my interest peaked real quick tho.

 

[dieselchief]

have had 2 thompsons, one ruger, one berretta storm and a marlin camp nine. I am a slow learner. they all had some suckness. a 300 blackout replaces them all.
......thompsons are heavy and slow to reload. berretta has plastic fire control parts. the ruger carries lousy with the mag in the mid point. the camp splits stocks at the wrist and has a sucky trigger. sorry for the rant. dc

 

[CoalTrain49]

I thought a carbine was something with a 16'' barrel and a stock of some sort by definition.

A lot of those on the list look like pistols. But I understand how one could be made into a SBR with the appropriate paperwork and ATF approval. So I guess they could be converted at some point. For my money I would opt for an SBR with a barrel length about 10". That takes almost full advantage of the pistol cartridge. Any more is just a waste of metal and added weight. An H&K MP5 has a 9 " barrel. They don't get any better than that.

That was fun.

 

[chicharrones]

have had 2 thompsons, one ruger, one berretta storm and a marlin camp nine. I am a slow learner. they all had some suckness. a 300 blackout replaces them all.
......thompsons are heavy and slow to reload. berretta has plastic fire control parts. the ruger carries lousy with the mag in the mid point. the camp splits stocks at the wrist and has a sucky trigger. sorry for the rant. dc

Good feed back.

 

[chicharrones]

I thought a carbine was something with a 16'' barrel and a stock of some sort by definition.

A lot of those on the list are pistols.

All the ones I'm referring to in the poll are the carbine variants with a 16" barrel and buttstock of some sort.

Aero Survival http://www.survivalrifle.com/
Auto Ordnance Thompson http://www.auto-ordnance.com/Firearms/Thompson-TM1.asp
Beretta CX4 Storm http://www.beretta.com/en-us/cx4-storm/
CZ Skorpion http://cz-usa.com/product/cz-scorpion-evo-3-s1-carbine/
Hi-Point https://www.hi-pointfirearms.com/Hi-Point-carbines/Hi-Point-9MM-black.html
Just Right Carbine http://www.justrightcarbines.com/products/
Kel-Tec Sub 2000 https://www.keltecweapons.com/rifles/sub-2000
Kriss Vector CRB https://kriss-usa.com/rifles/carbines/vector-crb-black
Ruger PC Carbine https://ruger.com/products/pcCarbine/models.html
Sig MPX Carbine https://www.sigsauer.com/store/sig-mpx-carbine.html
Tavor X95 https://iwi.us/product/tavor-x95-9mm/
Uzi style (RMUZ 09) https://www.atlanticfirearms.com/co...pping-rifles/aam-rmuz-09-detail.html?Itemid=0
WA Linda http://www.wilkinsonarms.com/Linda-9mm-Carbine_p_179.html
Zenith Z-5 (H&K derivative) https://www.atlanticfirearms.com/co...th-z-5-rifle-w-hard-case-detail.html?Itemid=0

 

[theotherwaldo]

I've already got an array of Hi Points, a Suomi, and a few others. The Ruger looks like fun and the Kriss intrigues me.

 

[chicharrones]

The reason I am personally looking into a PCC in 9mm is four fold.
#1. I don't have one.
#2. Cheap to shoot.
#3. Indoor range friendly around here.
#4. Low muzzle blast in case of being used for indoors home defense.

The reason I won't go down the SBR path is because in the county I live in, I have to get a Trust set up. I don't want to bother with that.

My PCC carbine experience is limited so far. I've had time behind an honest to gawd M1A1 Thompson in full auto. I've also had time with the FN PS90. I like 'em both, but can't afford a real M1A1 and the PS90 isn't as cheap to shoot as 9mm.

 

[chicharrones]

. . . a Suomi, and a few others.

I've never fired a Suomi. I held one at the range, but the official offer to fire it never came.

 

[kBob]

I saw a shot show report thanks to a post on THR that indicated PSA is about to release an MP5 clone. I would like to see it and the New Ruger before I make a choice.

Honestly I would love to have one of the old HiPoints in an API Beretta-ish stock even with the low cap magazines. No interest in the new ones with rails everywhere. Hard to believe they made the most butt ugly gun around UGLIER and called it an improvement.

Of the currently available guns......I want to see the Ruger before I decide.

-kBob

 

[Blkhrt13]

My first vote is for the new Ruger pcc. It being based on the 10-22 it may well take the improved trigger assemblies made for such. It’s collapsible. Plus it’s use of two different magazines one of which is affiliated with the most popular striker fired pistol made where by they are readily available and highly dependable. The other thier seemingly promising pistol. The cx4 was my second choice. I like it but the trigger is reported to be crap and I have seen many pro con comparisons. And uses either px4 or 92 fs both of which I may well have. I do like the looks of the Ruger better. But I will wait to see what the user reviews and reports are. Plus I must play the priority game.

 

[LiveLife]

With AR based PCC:

• Parts are readily interchangeable with standard AR parts

• If using mag block, with $129 22LR conversion (sale price), you can swap out bolt/carrier and with 22LR AR mags, shoot cheap 22LR (I use Federal/Aguila copper plated HP/RN) with single hole 5 shot group accuracy at 25 yards with my 16"/18"/20" uppers for fun plinking - https://www.cmmginc.com/product-category/22lr-conversion/22-arc-conversion-kits/

Accuracy at 50 yards

 

[chicharrones]

I saw a shot show report thanks to a post on THR that indicated PSA is about to release an MP5 clone. I would like to see it and the New Ruger before I make a choice.

I'd like to see that PSA, too. Late 2018 or early 2019 is the release date I've heard.

 

[JO JO]

my brother bought a pair of hi point carbine's 9mm for him and his son to plink with they were dirt cheap as far as rifle's go , years later those cheap things are still going and fairly accurate. He bought them for beater range guns just for cheap euro-pellet spiting fun and he still has them, He has an expensive collection of nice firearms plus 2 hi points that they beat up

 

[Sistema1927]

I have an order in for a Ruger PC Carbine. I guess that is why I voted as I did.

 

[C0untZer0]

I really miss the thread on the new Ruger carbine, I know I wandered a little off topic but the thread didn't have to die...

I really liked that thread

 

[mstreddy]

I voted for the Sig and the CZ, as I don't own them. The new Ruger carbine is on my want list. Though after reading the posts and understanding it's the new version, I should have voted for it.

I own the AR (JR) in 40 with the kit for 9MM; the CX4 Storm in 9 and 40; a clone of the HK94/MP5 in 9 and 45 ACP; an Uzi clone, and 2 Ruger PC9s. I also have the Thompson in SA, and Mech-Tech conversion uppers for the 1911 (45) and Glock (9). Also have a PS90 and a Rossi 357 mag Lever action.

So I guess you can say, I do like Pistol Caliber Carbines.

 

[Panzerschwein]

Hi-Point 10 mike miker. Would make a good deer or hog gun.

 

[Omaha-BeenGlockin]

I would own a Beretta if I could have found one about a year--year and a half ago-------Now the Ruger is in my sights but I'll let the hoopla die off first.

 

[CoalTrain49]

The reason I am personally looking into a PCC in 9mm is four fold.
#1. I don't have one.
#2. Cheap to shoot.
#3. Indoor range friendly around here.
#4. Low muzzle blast in case of being used for indoors home defense.

The reason I won't go down the SBR path is because in the county I live in, I have to get a Trust set up. I don't want to bother with that.

My PCC carbine experience is limited so far. I've had time behind an honest to gawd M1A1 Thompson in full auto. I've also had time with the FN PS90. I like 'em both, but can't afford a real M1A1 and the PS90 isn't as cheap to shoot as 9mm.

None of those reasons are valid. A 9mm pistol will fill those requirements. You'll have to do better.

 

[C0untZer0]

From what I understand, you can't remove those fins from the Beretta and the look just bugs me.

 

[LiveLife]

None of those reasons are valid. A 9mm pistol will fill those requirements. You'll have to do better.

With 100 gr bullet, my PCCs will send them down range at almost 1500 fps for flatter trajectory with reduced vertical stringing from less muzzle velocity variance.

1442-1428-1478-1431-1462 fps

Yes, 50 fps spread, which will help decrease shot groups as bullet travels further.

At 50 yards, I get around 2" 10 shot groups and around 3" 10 shot groups at 100 yards (And these are reloads with mixed range brass known to cause flyers) - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...n-9mm-40s-w-45acp.799231/page-3#post-10245856

Try that with your pistol.

 

[C0untZer0]

The 95gr +P cartridges would produce an even flatter trajectory I'd imagine.

Hardly anyone does gel tests from a carbine, maybe everyone just assumes that any SD ammo is going to perform awesomely from 16" barrel, but I'd like to see some tests. I'd really be interested to see how the 150gr Federal 150gr 9mm HST P9HST5S performs out of a 16" barrel. I'm also curious about the copper hollowpoints like Barnes and Corbon DPX. Those bullets open up beautifully, and they penetrate OK, but a couple more inches of penetration would be great. I don't know if you get that though by making them go faster... Sometimes the extra speed ends up creating more expansion but not that much more penetration.