Zak, Robert,
I appreciate your posts.
I appreciate this thread!
Words like "pointing" and "aiming" suffer from context, add, Internet is not the easiest medium to communicate with. Not to mention I cannot express myself worth a flip with typed words.
Zak, Robert, and myself and others are on the same page on all this.
Zak wrote:
That downside is that when the stance or grip or index or body position breaks down, or isn't just right, or maybe you have to shoot on the move, then the physical relationships between your body (kinesthetic awareness), the gun, and the target change, and this affects where the gun is actually "aimed" vs. where you've been trained to believe it is aimed.
I agree.
My deal about harping about gun fit, correct basics, and sticking with one gun and getting to know it like a body is simple:
In a serious situation one may lose lighting, glasses, the beads, any sight system.
One may end up shot, or on the ground.
Repetition becomes habit - habit becomes faith.
This is where one really benefits from knowing that gun like a body part, it has to be an extension of them, all those rounds downrange, running the gun without looking, slapping triggers...
One might have to "aim" down the side of the receiver/barrel/forearm to get a shot off.
One might have to "point" with a wobbly one hand and get that shot off.
One might have shoot back and over head to get some friggin' breathing room to roll to cover...all sorts of "it ain't looking good, but staying in the fight" shotgun use.
I am not speaking of computer generated graphic cool movie moves, I am speaking of doing whatever it takes to survive, even if it means doing something "wrong" according to instruction, training, gun games and disciplines.
Do something even if wrong, just keep fighting, moving, doing something!
Now my role has been to assist, and I have my preferred folks to assist such as Ladies, kids, elderly and physically limited. I have my reasons.
I suggest they get more lessons, training in whatever they want to go on to do.
Oh I can assist and have. For instance I used to assist with PGO issued shotguns for Armored Guards and others.
I...hate these PGOs still some folks have to qual with these.
I am not that smart all I know are my experiences and observations, this is all I can pass forward.
I cannot "teach the whole pie" - I know that, always have.
Skeet my game, I have shot trap, still I have shot a lot of skeet.
I also have trigger time in Live Pigeons, Colombaire, 5 stand, and sporting clays.
Add my private lessons in other shotgun uses, and other "set ups" [games] I have experience in.
Columbaire will beat a shotgunner. Yes he will , he is trained and practiced in beating a shotgunner. He will throw that live pigeon and beat a shotgunner, and one has to not only fell that pigeon you must fell it within a circle.
One does not always have the best positioning, oh the idea of getting weak foot "here" and "cracking a knee" and all that is great...just the Columbaire has watched you, and his job is to trip you up and rattle your brain.
I have had a pigeon tossed, straight/flat, and my weak foot in back, no knee cracked and I was leaning forward and literally falling down when I slapped trigger.
It was not pretty, not all all and that dirt was hard and dusty! I felled that pigeon just about 2 ft shy of the circle. Lady Luck showed up, as I sure did everything wrong that I could...
Gun fit me, It was an extension of me and Lady Luck did the rest.
So I get folks up to speed at the bottom rung, and then suggest they go see whomever they need to see to do with a shotgun they want to do.
Zak, is one I would appreciate learning from. Correia is another, Robert, Dave Mc, Lee Lapin and his wife...everyone can teach me and I would like that.
These folks over the years, I just want to get them to a point, where they are ready for Zak, Correia, Robert, Dave , Lee, Will Fennell, Awerbuck, Cain...
These folks know about pattern boards, not to shoot themselves or others, which end is the muzzle end, and most important, willingness to learn and ask questions.
Art & Science like Brister said...
Just sometimes the words mess up folks. Just be open minded, receptive and listen...not hear...listen.