107 kids held at gun point, maybe one or two arrested (which is not the same as charged, prosecuted or convicted). I want a refund. Another generation fearing the police and learning how to work around them. Job well done. When the cases against those kids arrested falls apart, what have you created?
Police raid high school; place kids on floor at gunpoint.
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Ed Brunner
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Police work is tough. A police person cannot respect all of the rights of all of the people all of the time. If he/she were required to respect all rights, it would be dangerous to be a police person and nobody would want to do it and then where would we be?
We would be up to our eyeballs in crime.
We would be up to our eyeballs in crime.
Parker Dean
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OH! Well that makes it OK then. Sorry to have troubled anyone. Carry on!
We would not be up to our eyeballs in crime for long. Because, soon I bet, we would be up to our eyeballs with dead criminals.
I would rather deal with common criminals than heavily armed goons or idiots with police powers directed by the State. The world has been there and done that repeatedly, and it is not a pretty sight.
I would rather deal with common criminals than heavily armed goons or idiots with police powers directed by the State. The world has been there and done that repeatedly, and it is not a pretty sight.
How do we go about putting a stop to these "powers that be" abusing their authority.
And dont say, write your congress critters, newspapers and such. That has been done to death, with no results. What is a real answer to stopping this nation from becoming a Police State. Because, more than a few stones have already paved the road towards that destination.
And dont say, write your congress critters, newspapers and such. That has been done to death, with no results. What is a real answer to stopping this nation from becoming a Police State. Because, more than a few stones have already paved the road towards that destination.
Ed Brunner
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Kbr80
History shows that when we collectively hire someone to to work for us, we often end up working for them. A number of examples come readily to mind such as government, schools and law enforcement.
What is the answer? Don't say we have to move to a cave. That is where it all started. The only answer is to insist that everyone that we hire remembers who is working for whom.
History shows that when we collectively hire someone to to work for us, we often end up working for them. A number of examples come readily to mind such as government, schools and law enforcement.
What is the answer? Don't say we have to move to a cave. That is where it all started. The only answer is to insist that everyone that we hire remembers who is working for whom.
Sounds good in theory, but it wont work. Government, and all levels, has evolved into its own animal. NO longer are the people in charge. We see that everyday. We The People no longer means what our founding fathers intended. This incident at this school is just one example out of many that proves that. Damned if I know how to make a change. All I do know about this it writing congress critters, mayors, police depts, and such, even marching on capitols, police depts and such, wont do a damn thing. We need some innovative, take the bull by the horns ideas.
jimpeel
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Mike Irwin
The kids were disallowed a Christian Club at school and had to take their meeting to the flagpole in the mornings. When the courts ruled that the club could be in the school as long as the school was not an active participant, the school said there could be no clubs after school at all.
The courts have ruled that the school newspaper, operated by students, can be censored by the school administration.
Kids at school are limited to the number who can congregate in one place.
Student petitions to school administrations are regularly ignored.
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Need I say anything on this one?
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Does not apply; unless you want to count the two uniformed police officers stationed at the school during school hours.
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Kids, their lockers, their bookbags, and their vehicles are regularly searched at school by serruptisious means such as dogs. Refusal to allow a physical search after a dog "hit" is cause for suspension.
Kids have been stripped and inspected for sexual abuse at five-years-old by school authorities.
Female students have been given exams for sexual abuse without their, or their parents', permission.
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Refusal to allow a physical search after a dog "hit" is cause for suspension.
Schools are immune to due process regularly throwing kids out of school for the slightest infraction under "zero-tolerance".
Schools can confiscate any property from students they feel is in violation of school guidelines without compensation.
Zero-tolerance removes any modicum of fairness, due process or the brains to employ either..
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Kids get no trial, no hearing. They just get thrown out.
They have no right to face their accusers in any action or have witnesses in their favor.
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The school administration is the judge, jury, and executioner.
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What good is this one to the kids when the rest have already been removed?
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Okay, let's just go through their "rights" and see. What I say here is generalized commentary not this school specifically. Remember, you are the one who posted the links to http://www.ncrel.org/sdrs/areas/issues/envrnmnt/drugfree/sa2lk13.htm and http://www.landmarkcases.org/newjersey/compare.html both of which go to show that I am correct.
The kids were disallowed a Christian Club at school and had to take their meeting to the flagpole in the mornings. When the courts ruled that the club could be in the school as long as the school was not an active participant, the school said there could be no clubs after school at all.
The courts have ruled that the school newspaper, operated by students, can be censored by the school administration.
Kids at school are limited to the number who can congregate in one place.
Student petitions to school administrations are regularly ignored.
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Need I say anything on this one?
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Does not apply; unless you want to count the two uniformed police officers stationed at the school during school hours.
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Kids, their lockers, their bookbags, and their vehicles are regularly searched at school by serruptisious means such as dogs. Refusal to allow a physical search after a dog "hit" is cause for suspension.
Kids have been stripped and inspected for sexual abuse at five-years-old by school authorities.
Female students have been given exams for sexual abuse without their, or their parents', permission.
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Refusal to allow a physical search after a dog "hit" is cause for suspension.
Schools are immune to due process regularly throwing kids out of school for the slightest infraction under "zero-tolerance".
Schools can confiscate any property from students they feel is in violation of school guidelines without compensation.
Zero-tolerance removes any modicum of fairness, due process or the brains to employ either..
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Kids get no trial, no hearing. They just get thrown out.
They have no right to face their accusers in any action or have witnesses in their favor.
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The school administration is the judge, jury, and executioner.
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Does not apply
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What good is this one to the kids when the rest have already been removed?
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State-funded thugs to control a state mandated indoctrination camp. This world has gone to he77 in a handbag.
One thing is for sure. The Federal, State, and local governments will be pouring over before/during/after stats to find a better way to get even more shock value out of future events. I see nothing to indicate a government more responsive to the wishes of the people. Only the preservation of power to the elite is of concern.
21st century slaves.
The third world has more freedom than we do.
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jimpeel
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Mike Irwin
I will be calling the police department there and the school and expressing my displeasure. There's not much else I can do short of getting some legislator to pass a law against this sort of abuse.
I shouted this story from The High Road treetops; and was met with opposition from folks like you who, once they viewed the video, came to my side of the ledger. You are fast becoming a one man minority.
I will be calling the police department there and the school and expressing my displeasure. There's not much else I can do short of getting some legislator to pass a law against this sort of abuse.
Well, I saw the tape and the police officers were pointing the guns at the students. They handcuffed some innocent students, and treated them as if they were criminals. I can tell you, I would not put up with a police force who went into the schools and did this kind of insane stunt.
You know this additude of the police officer going home at night at the expense of one of your children's lives is just as far out as anything I have ever heard. How about all the Negligent discharges I have heard about over the years. Sounds to me like this police force is going to get a very large lawsuit, because the principal is already saying he had no idea the police would draw their guns.
Mrs. Toro
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2 Chronicles 7:3
And when all the children of Israel saw the fire came down, and the glory of the Lord upon the house, (that Solomon had built) they bowed themselves with their faces to the gound upon the pavement, and worshipped, and praised the Lord, saying, For he is good; for his mercy endureth forever.
You know this additude of the police officer going home at night at the expense of one of your children's lives is just as far out as anything I have ever heard. How about all the Negligent discharges I have heard about over the years. Sounds to me like this police force is going to get a very large lawsuit, because the principal is already saying he had no idea the police would draw their guns.
Mrs. Toro
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2 Chronicles 7:3
And when all the children of Israel saw the fire came down, and the glory of the Lord upon the house, (that Solomon had built) they bowed themselves with their faces to the gound upon the pavement, and worshipped, and praised the Lord, saying, For he is good; for his mercy endureth forever.
Detachment Charlie
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I saw the video this morning.
The scenes have shaken me all day. Ladies and gentlemen, this outraged me.
The actions of the police are absolutely indefensable.
Reading this thread from the start has left me shocked as well. I can not understand how any American can even attempt to justify what the police did at that school. By their actions the police have demeaned not only themselves, but the law and our society as well.
Sadly, there are those among us without honor.
The scenes have shaken me all day. Ladies and gentlemen, this outraged me.
The actions of the police are absolutely indefensable.
Reading this thread from the start has left me shocked as well. I can not understand how any American can even attempt to justify what the police did at that school. By their actions the police have demeaned not only themselves, but the law and our society as well.
Sadly, there are those among us without honor.
Baba Louie
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Maybe several good attorneys are already at work on this... not in the hopes to break the bank... but in hopes to recapture what little "Liberty" and civil rights (I really don't like those words), Human Rights our society wants, needs and should be clamoring for... Specific Performance...
Who's at fault?
School administrators for calling the show?
School Board for their Zero Tolerance?
Police Officers for responding with enthusiasm and maybe a bit of "Tough Love" or "Scared Straight" attitude? (and drawn handguns)
Police Admin for allowing this from their "professional" staff.
City or County fathers?
Kids for dealing drugs? (There's a new one)
And what about that small fact that NOTHING WAS FOUND???
"Woops... Sorry... Go to class kids, learn something useful in school today. We'll be back at some point in the future, you can bet on it. You're all guilty of something."
Gonna be a bunch of P.O.'d parents talking long and loud to their attorneys, you can bet.
sigh
Home Schooling anyone?
Adios
Who's at fault?
School administrators for calling the show?
School Board for their Zero Tolerance?
Police Officers for responding with enthusiasm and maybe a bit of "Tough Love" or "Scared Straight" attitude? (and drawn handguns)
Police Admin for allowing this from their "professional" staff.
City or County fathers?
Kids for dealing drugs? (There's a new one)
And what about that small fact that NOTHING WAS FOUND???
"Woops... Sorry... Go to class kids, learn something useful in school today. We'll be back at some point in the future, you can bet on it. You're all guilty of something."
Gonna be a bunch of P.O.'d parents talking long and loud to their attorneys, you can bet.
sigh
Home Schooling anyone?
Adios
jimpeel
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Sportscat
Would the following "weapon" in school require the use of a defensive Glock?
School administrators see a weapon in every hand. They make up more weapons than exist in real life.
Would the following "weapon" in school require the use of a defensive Glock?
jimpeel
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Baba Louie
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I pray to the heavens above that every Police Agency and School District in this country has seen this video repeatedly and discussed what to do and what not to do should they ever get a similar call.
It might be worth visiting or writing to your local dept to discuss this with the local Precinct Capt or Area Commander.
It might also be a good idea for those who still have kids in Public Schools to set up an appointment with your local HS Dean, Principal or Vice Principal for the same discussion. Bring a copy of the link with you for their edification in case they're unaware of its existance.
It's definitely worth a conversation with your school aged kids.... just a print out of all the posts here should give them something to mull over and another chance for you to review their understanding of our Constitutional duties.
Adios
It might be worth visiting or writing to your local dept to discuss this with the local Precinct Capt or Area Commander.
It might also be a good idea for those who still have kids in Public Schools to set up an appointment with your local HS Dean, Principal or Vice Principal for the same discussion. Bring a copy of the link with you for their edification in case they're unaware of its existance.
It's definitely worth a conversation with your school aged kids.... just a print out of all the posts here should give them something to mull over and another chance for you to review their understanding of our Constitutional duties.
Adios
Pilgrim
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Ahhh, don't tell me. Let me guess. "Wounded Knee?"
Pilgrim
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Some of you people responding to this thread scare me. You scare me because the Thin Blue Line has become a Thick Blue blindfold. You scare me because I can’t recognize you in public and know you for the danger you are. White, Black, Longhair, Tight Whitewalls? Your appearance can vary but your totalitarian message remains the same. Too bad the uniform doesn’t have the power to shame you. Yeah, you’d let this happen to YOUR kid. Disingenuous is the kindest way I can put it. Like you wouldn’t be talking to Officer Fife to let your angel go on that dime bag. Brotherhood. Yeah, right. The drugs are so prevalent in that school that they found um, they found, oh, they found… ZILCH, NADA, NOTHING! The dogs pinged on the residue… Ouch, S T R E T C H! They remind me of early man in the scene from 2001, A Space Oddessy. One gets going and they all begin grunting and pounding their chests. Sad. Maybe kids is all they can handle. Cats, each and every one of them. Read into the word cats what you will, that’s prob how I meant it. Shameful.
Sportcat
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I bet if your kid attended this school, but was not in the hall, you'd be happy the cops showed up.
Carlos
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Nonsense.
I'd still be pissed. Getting to watch this video for the second time, after the commercial.
George McCracken should be looking for a new job, out of the public arena. He sounds like a real dummy.
I'd like to get a complete copy of that video, either on tape or hard disk.
I'd still be pissed. Getting to watch this video for the second time, after the commercial.
George McCracken should be looking for a new job, out of the public arena. He sounds like a real dummy.
I'd like to get a complete copy of that video, either on tape or hard disk.
O.F.Fascist
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Yep there is a definate drug problem at that school. I think the Principle must be on crack, or actually what drugs are the ones that cause paranoid delusions?
That was a complete misuse of manpower and definately a case of unfair search.
If you suspect there are a few guys dealing drugs, then you go search them. If you dont know who they are then you do some ????ing police work and find it out first, you dont line everyone up and search them one at a time.
Thats ????ing rediculous.
All this bull???? because the principle suspected that some kid had some marijuana.
That was a complete misuse of manpower and definately a case of unfair search.
If you suspect there are a few guys dealing drugs, then you go search them. If you dont know who they are then you do some ????ing police work and find it out first, you dont line everyone up and search them one at a time.
Thats ????ing rediculous.
All this bull???? because the principle suspected that some kid had some marijuana.
Waitone
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A few random thoughts in no particular order
--The principal saw an influx of badguys dating back 3 weeks so his solution to a growing problem is a raid.
--Was any warrant presented?
--What was the source of info of guns the possession of students. One could only justify pulling a sidearm only if there was a presumption of armed resistance. If there was the presumption of armed resistance why did they not bring in the heavy SWAT unit and really put on a show.
--Looks to me like the raid was to intimidate the bad students. Which begs the question, "Why not simply expel the bad apples?" or is that too logical.
What I saw on the videowas a bad thing which will be address by the various power structures in SC.
How do I say that? Really simple. Goose Creek is part of the Charleston, SC metro area. Charleston's nick name is "The Holy City." The vatican of the SC power structure resides in or hails from Charleston. More than half the SC state legislature graduate from a Charleston university....the Citadel. The raid made LE look bad. It made SC look bad. Worst of all, it made Charleston look bad. Charleston to this day is a throwback to mid-nineteenth century and the mores still hold.
This unfortunate event took place in the heart of the power class in SC. I suspect LE in general and the brass in particular will be soiling their drawers over the next few weeks. I also suspect the principal has just done a bad thing to his messkit. What will ice the cake will be to get a reading on which families have kid in that school. Goose Creek is the elite suburb of Charleston. God help the poor slobs who did this if the school was in the old city. What they did is bad enough.
I think I'll go down to Goose Creek and erect bleachers then apply for the concessions permits. This one will be entertaining to watch.
--The principal saw an influx of badguys dating back 3 weeks so his solution to a growing problem is a raid.
--Was any warrant presented?
--What was the source of info of guns the possession of students. One could only justify pulling a sidearm only if there was a presumption of armed resistance. If there was the presumption of armed resistance why did they not bring in the heavy SWAT unit and really put on a show.
--Looks to me like the raid was to intimidate the bad students. Which begs the question, "Why not simply expel the bad apples?" or is that too logical.
What I saw on the videowas a bad thing which will be address by the various power structures in SC.
How do I say that? Really simple. Goose Creek is part of the Charleston, SC metro area. Charleston's nick name is "The Holy City." The vatican of the SC power structure resides in or hails from Charleston. More than half the SC state legislature graduate from a Charleston university....the Citadel. The raid made LE look bad. It made SC look bad. Worst of all, it made Charleston look bad. Charleston to this day is a throwback to mid-nineteenth century and the mores still hold.
This unfortunate event took place in the heart of the power class in SC. I suspect LE in general and the brass in particular will be soiling their drawers over the next few weeks. I also suspect the principal has just done a bad thing to his messkit. What will ice the cake will be to get a reading on which families have kid in that school. Goose Creek is the elite suburb of Charleston. God help the poor slobs who did this if the school was in the old city. What they did is bad enough.
I think I'll go down to Goose Creek and erect bleachers then apply for the concessions permits. This one will be entertaining to watch.
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