Police Station In Fairfax Co., Va Attacked
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Mannlicher
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Warrior14 opines:
Boy fellow, you sure have an agenda to promulgate! Nothing like hijacking a thread and spewing this kind of silliness.
Boy fellow, you sure have an agenda to promulgate! Nothing like hijacking a thread and spewing this kind of silliness.
Warrior, check your PMs.
If there is another post talking about jack booted thuggery on this thread about a cop murdered by a sick freak, I swear that I will ban that person so fast their head will spin.
Understand?
Good.
If there is another post talking about jack booted thuggery on this thread about a cop murdered by a sick freak, I swear that I will ban that person so fast their head will spin.
Understand?
Good.
Jamie C.
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Anybody that has a problem with the police, or law enforcement officers in general, needs to try being one for a while.... or at very least, quit watching "Cops" on TV, and see if one of your local L.E.O. offices have a "ride along" program.
Until then, try to keep in mind that L.E.O.s go where they're SENT, and are armed in the manner that is dictated by department policy.... Policy set by upper management. Upper management being the Sheriffs and Police Chiefs.
Yes, there are a few "bad cops", but by and large, the average officer is a good guy or gal, just doing their job to the best of their ability, and following the orders they're given. And also sticking out their necks for what is generally an ignorant, unappreciative public.
And for what it's worth, I'm an ex-deputy. My brother is a police officer here locally, and is also in charge of our SWAT team... Neither of us has ever kicked in a door we weren't sent to. And every door we ever kicked in had bad guys on the other side of it.
J.C.
Until then, try to keep in mind that L.E.O.s go where they're SENT, and are armed in the manner that is dictated by department policy.... Policy set by upper management. Upper management being the Sheriffs and Police Chiefs.
Yes, there are a few "bad cops", but by and large, the average officer is a good guy or gal, just doing their job to the best of their ability, and following the orders they're given. And also sticking out their necks for what is generally an ignorant, unappreciative public.
And for what it's worth, I'm an ex-deputy. My brother is a police officer here locally, and is also in charge of our SWAT team... Neither of us has ever kicked in a door we weren't sent to. And every door we ever kicked in had bad guys on the other side of it.
J.C.
K-Romulus
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VA politics:
Well, with Kaine in office as a one-termer, I wouldn't put it past VAHA to push him to introduce a state-level AWB since he has nothing to lose. 99% of the NoVA state legislators would be on board ("NoVA" here used being Fredericksburg northwest-ward to the Potomac), and these same legislators are usually pushing some gun-owner-control bill or other each year. Case in point: the zombie-like Fairfax-originating bill to ban CCW holders from "government buildings"; it keeps coming back year after year after getting hacked to pieces each prior year. Kaine has already vetoed the locked-handgun bill, so he won't be skeered to push or sign an AWB.
MD politics:
I fully expect this incident to come up in the MD elections, esp. if VA has a high-profile attempt at an AWB. O'Malley and Duncan both hung their hats on the AWB meathook, and they will point to Sully District as "a tragedy that could have been prevented with just one more reasonable gun control law." How would this play out? One example, just last week I "schooled" a co-worker who made the disapproving comment that "even assault weapons are legal in VA." This guy was a MD resident, and I probably did a disservice by setting him straight on how 99% of the firearms for sale in VA are also legal in MD, pistol grips do not a "killer" make, etc. This guy is a dedicated Tom Perez supporter from Langley Park, and somewhat active in MoCo democratic politics. I fear that our simple educational discussion will turn into political blowback when he decides to "do something so MD is no longer like scary VA" and raise the issue with his compadres during the campaign season. MD seems to be infested with legislators eager to claim that "MD is taking the lead" on issues, no matter how screwed up the "lead" may be, and an AWB would be another "gun safety lead" in the mold of the 2000 Gun Control Act.
Fed politics:
My AWB comment was from thinking more about the fall national elections. Local congressional types live mainly in NoVA, so they could justify a ban by claiming "personal experience with tragedy," and what better sacrifice to throw to the lions to save themselves in the competitive elections than a politically expedient AWB.
Well, with Kaine in office as a one-termer, I wouldn't put it past VAHA to push him to introduce a state-level AWB since he has nothing to lose. 99% of the NoVA state legislators would be on board ("NoVA" here used being Fredericksburg northwest-ward to the Potomac), and these same legislators are usually pushing some gun-owner-control bill or other each year. Case in point: the zombie-like Fairfax-originating bill to ban CCW holders from "government buildings"; it keeps coming back year after year after getting hacked to pieces each prior year. Kaine has already vetoed the locked-handgun bill, so he won't be skeered to push or sign an AWB.
MD politics:
I fully expect this incident to come up in the MD elections, esp. if VA has a high-profile attempt at an AWB. O'Malley and Duncan both hung their hats on the AWB meathook, and they will point to Sully District as "a tragedy that could have been prevented with just one more reasonable gun control law." How would this play out? One example, just last week I "schooled" a co-worker who made the disapproving comment that "even assault weapons are legal in VA." This guy was a MD resident, and I probably did a disservice by setting him straight on how 99% of the firearms for sale in VA are also legal in MD, pistol grips do not a "killer" make, etc. This guy is a dedicated Tom Perez supporter from Langley Park, and somewhat active in MoCo democratic politics. I fear that our simple educational discussion will turn into political blowback when he decides to "do something so MD is no longer like scary VA" and raise the issue with his compadres during the campaign season. MD seems to be infested with legislators eager to claim that "MD is taking the lead" on issues, no matter how screwed up the "lead" may be, and an AWB would be another "gun safety lead" in the mold of the 2000 Gun Control Act.
Fed politics:
My AWB comment was from thinking more about the fall national elections. Local congressional types live mainly in NoVA, so they could justify a ban by claiming "personal experience with tragedy," and what better sacrifice to throw to the lions to save themselves in the competitive elections than a politically expedient AWB.
K-Romulus
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Update: here it comes
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/09/AR2006050900649.html?nav=hcmodule
(selected exceprts)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/09/AR2006050900649.html?nav=hcmodule
(selected exceprts)
sturmruger
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I really feel for all of the men and women of the Fairfax police department. This is going to be really tough to deal with.
I am glad the little punk got shot I think we will be better off without him.
I am glad the little punk got shot I think we will be better off without him.
XLMiguel
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it just keeps getting stranger & stranger - I can't find much consistency from any local news source yet. I don't trust the Washington Post any further than i cna throw it. I guess it will be a while before something close to the truth comes out.
what continues to stridke me as strange is that they can't find teh kid's parents . . .
what continues to stridke me as strange is that they can't find teh kid's parents . . .
Bubbles
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Hope the parents are ok...
www.wtopnews.com/index.php?sid=785060&nid=25&pid=2
Officer, Gunman Dead After Attack
FAIRFAX, Va. -- Michael Kennedy of Centreville, Va., fired at least 70 rounds as he walked through Sully District Police Station parking lot Monday afternoon, killing one officer and critically wounding another in a shootout with police.
"It looks to us that he was looking for as many victims as he could find," said Maj. Bob Callahan, commander of the Criminal Investigations Bureau of the Fairfax County Police Department, during an 11 a.m. news conference.
Callahan says Kennedy, 18, was armed with five pistols, an AK-47-style assault weapon and a long-barreled high powered hunting rifle as he worked his way through the parking lot firing at officers he encountered.
"He was very determined and he was targeting police officers," Callahan says.
But Callahan says investigators do not believe that the officers who were shot were specifically targeted.
Killed in the line of duty as she was responding to a carjacking -- a carjacking that involved Kennedy -- was Detective Vicky O. Armel, 40, who is the first Fairfax County police officer ever killed in the line of duty.
Armel, who was struck several times by gunfire, was the second officer whom Kennedy shot. The first remains in critical condition in Inova Fairfax Hospital with at least five gunshot wounds. Armel returned fire.
Police Chief Dave Rohrer says Armel acted with courage and "will be sorely missed."
Commonwealth's Attorney Robert Horan Jr. describes Armel as "a marvelous human being and a top-notch police officer."
"On the day she died, she was doing her job right to the end -- right to the last moment," Robert Horan says.
"The heroism involved was enormous," Horan said during the 11 a.m. news conference. "I really think we've come to expect that from the Fairfax Police and you can be proud of what they did yesterday under the most horrific conditions."
It's not yet known how many shots police fired. Callahan says police are trying to determine how long the exchange of gunfire lasted and how Kennedy got his
An autopsy being done Tuesday will determine whether Kennedy was killed by shots police fired or by his own weapons.
Police are asking Kennedy's parents to contact them. Anyone with information regarding the whereabouts of Kennedy's parents should call police at 703-246-7730.
"We feel confident they are aware of what happened. We do need to talk to them," Callahan says.
www.wtopnews.com/index.php?sid=785060&nid=25&pid=2
Officer, Gunman Dead After Attack
FAIRFAX, Va. -- Michael Kennedy of Centreville, Va., fired at least 70 rounds as he walked through Sully District Police Station parking lot Monday afternoon, killing one officer and critically wounding another in a shootout with police.
"It looks to us that he was looking for as many victims as he could find," said Maj. Bob Callahan, commander of the Criminal Investigations Bureau of the Fairfax County Police Department, during an 11 a.m. news conference.
Callahan says Kennedy, 18, was armed with five pistols, an AK-47-style assault weapon and a long-barreled high powered hunting rifle as he worked his way through the parking lot firing at officers he encountered.
"He was very determined and he was targeting police officers," Callahan says.
But Callahan says investigators do not believe that the officers who were shot were specifically targeted.
Killed in the line of duty as she was responding to a carjacking -- a carjacking that involved Kennedy -- was Detective Vicky O. Armel, 40, who is the first Fairfax County police officer ever killed in the line of duty.
Armel, who was struck several times by gunfire, was the second officer whom Kennedy shot. The first remains in critical condition in Inova Fairfax Hospital with at least five gunshot wounds. Armel returned fire.
Police Chief Dave Rohrer says Armel acted with courage and "will be sorely missed."
Commonwealth's Attorney Robert Horan Jr. describes Armel as "a marvelous human being and a top-notch police officer."
"On the day she died, she was doing her job right to the end -- right to the last moment," Robert Horan says.
"The heroism involved was enormous," Horan said during the 11 a.m. news conference. "I really think we've come to expect that from the Fairfax Police and you can be proud of what they did yesterday under the most horrific conditions."
It's not yet known how many shots police fired. Callahan says police are trying to determine how long the exchange of gunfire lasted and how Kennedy got his
An autopsy being done Tuesday will determine whether Kennedy was killed by shots police fired or by his own weapons.
Police are asking Kennedy's parents to contact them. Anyone with information regarding the whereabouts of Kennedy's parents should call police at 703-246-7730.
"We feel confident they are aware of what happened. We do need to talk to them," Callahan says.
Mr. James
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Quibble with the WTOP account
No, she isn't. She is, however, the first to die of gunshot wounds while on duty.
Karen Bassford (1977)
Sandy Gideonse (1998)
and Tommy Bernal (2001)
are the others.
Yes, truly odd about the parents - initial reports said they had "been seen" (by whom??) earlier in the day.
No, she isn't. She is, however, the first to die of gunshot wounds while on duty.
Karen Bassford (1977)
Sandy Gideonse (1998)
and Tommy Bernal (2001)
are the others.
Yes, truly odd about the parents - initial reports said they had "been seen" (by whom??) earlier in the day.
XLMiguel
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Shooter's parents/family are apparently OK. Nooz is now reporting that the parents grabbed younger sister and got out of town to shelter her from the silliness.
Media around here is vicious. I had an uncle who was among the hostages taken at the US embassy in Tehran in 1989, and the media was intensely intrusive, prying, insensitive and very difficult to deal with. Won't bore you with details, but I almost had media hood ornaments on several occasions. When my nephew came home form Xmas in Baghdad in `91, they were no better
The kid promptly joined teh Marines as soon as he was able - great guy!
Media around here is vicious. I had an uncle who was among the hostages taken at the US embassy in Tehran in 1989, and the media was intensely intrusive, prying, insensitive and very difficult to deal with. Won't bore you with details, but I almost had media hood ornaments on several occasions. When my nephew came home form Xmas in Baghdad in `91, they were no better
The kid promptly joined teh Marines as soon as he was able - great guy!garyk/nm
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How does an 18 y/o nutjob get his hands on that kind of firepower? He certainly didn't acquire them legally.
Perhaps that's why the parents went in to hiding?
My prayers to the victims and families.
Perhaps that's why the parents went in to hiding?
My prayers to the victims and families.
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Jamie C.
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From the look of the comments on that "my space" page, it would seem there's more just like him out there....
Imagine that...
Anybody else get the feeling that society really needs to do something with it's youths? Other than what we're already doing, I mean...
Some of 'em are really starting to look like a loaded gun, pointed at our collective heads... but then, maybe that's the way it's always been.
Ah well. Maybe some day the answer will be clear. Right now though, it isn't.
J.C.
Imagine that...
Anybody else get the feeling that society really needs to do something with it's youths? Other than what we're already doing, I mean...
Some of 'em are really starting to look like a loaded gun, pointed at our collective heads... but then, maybe that's the way it's always been.
Ah well. Maybe some day the answer will be clear. Right now though, it isn't.
J.C.
The little punk scum had some nice 'friends'. Apparently, He's made it known he wanted to do something like this, and that his mental problems were well known:
"Well, you did what you always claimed wanting to do. I've never prayed for anyone before, but i'll do it for your sake tonight, praying that there is no hell." <Myspace>
"My god man, just why? I know I should of done something. Now I'm going to sit here and regret for the rest of my life. You didn't had to go out that way man. You were like an brother to me, but you let the voices get to you."
"p.s. you are not jesus christ. despite what you think & told me. but may he bless your family. & your friends."
"Well, you did what you always claimed wanting to do. I've never prayed for anyone before, but i'll do it for your sake tonight, praying that there is no hell." <Myspace>
"My god man, just why? I know I should of done something. Now I'm going to sit here and regret for the rest of my life. You didn't had to go out that way man. You were like an brother to me, but you let the voices get to you."
"p.s. you are not jesus christ. despite what you think & told me. but may he bless your family. & your friends."
Funny how, out of all of those myspace comments, that not one.....not one...of those self-absorbed little boneheads made any overtures of sympathy or regret for the families of the officers this little fart-in-a-windstorm shot. 
It makes me sick that everyone there seems more concerned with what "the world" did to make him want to do this than the fact that he, as a member of their self-absorbed bonehead world, CHOSE to hijack cars, illegally own weapons and then murder and seriously wound two police officers. :banghead:
It makes me sick that everyone there seems more concerned with what "the world" did to make him want to do this than the fact that he, as a member of their self-absorbed bonehead world, CHOSE to hijack cars, illegally own weapons and then murder and seriously wound two police officers. :banghead:
NineseveN
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And just what were these people supposed to do, tell him to rot in hell on a MySpace page? 
One: I'm sure most of those kids on that page really couldn't have been bothered much by this guy, but now that he's dead, well, the tides are flowing towards the shores of loss and sympathy, so they're just going with the flow.
Two: For many folks, especially young folks, the world does not exist outside of their own window, they have little capacity to think beyond what directly affects them.
Three: I didn't see anyone on there saying "haha, good for you, you killed some pigs man!" or anything like that (unless I missed it).
Let's not look down on the immature children that knew this guy simply because they knew him, they're experiencing grief just like the families of the officers...loss knows no penal code and can't always distinguish right from wrong.
And yes, lest we forget, at that age, most kids don't truly respect the totality of the words of others. Kids talk crap, they say a million things that make no sense inside of the cute, little fuzzy world that kids live in and no one pays any mind to it. These two youths probably did tell a few people "We're gonna go kill some cops"...but who at that age would have taken them seriously? I mean, come on, does that sound like something any more rational than "I'm gonna kidnap Principle Skinner and make him do my homework". I doubt anyone took their claims seriously except for a few really close to them, that doesn't make every kid that associated with them bad.
Note, I'm not making excuses for these nutjobs, or their self-absorbed friends except to say that, just about all teenagers are self-absorbed, and I'd be willing to bet even money that just about all of you were too. You can't damn mourners who had nothing to do with this...now whey they start saying, "Good, those pigs deserved it!" you can start prepping the gallows, until then...
How I feel for the families of the officers goes without saying.
One: I'm sure most of those kids on that page really couldn't have been bothered much by this guy, but now that he's dead, well, the tides are flowing towards the shores of loss and sympathy, so they're just going with the flow.
Two: For many folks, especially young folks, the world does not exist outside of their own window, they have little capacity to think beyond what directly affects them.
Three: I didn't see anyone on there saying "haha, good for you, you killed some pigs man!" or anything like that (unless I missed it).
Let's not look down on the immature children that knew this guy simply because they knew him, they're experiencing grief just like the families of the officers...loss knows no penal code and can't always distinguish right from wrong.
And yes, lest we forget, at that age, most kids don't truly respect the totality of the words of others. Kids talk crap, they say a million things that make no sense inside of the cute, little fuzzy world that kids live in and no one pays any mind to it. These two youths probably did tell a few people "We're gonna go kill some cops"...but who at that age would have taken them seriously? I mean, come on, does that sound like something any more rational than "I'm gonna kidnap Principle Skinner and make him do my homework". I doubt anyone took their claims seriously except for a few really close to them, that doesn't make every kid that associated with them bad.
Note, I'm not making excuses for these nutjobs, or their self-absorbed friends except to say that, just about all teenagers are self-absorbed, and I'd be willing to bet even money that just about all of you were too. You can't damn mourners who had nothing to do with this...now whey they start saying, "Good, those pigs deserved it!" you can start prepping the gallows, until then...
How I feel for the families of the officers goes without saying.
Leatherneck
Member
I just emailed Chief Dave Rohrer of the FCPD to express my shock and condolences and assure him of the widespread sympathy among the local gun nuts. Say what you will about RKBA and the second amendment, this tragic situation should have been prevented.
A kid who, by most accounts, was not evil but rather "strange" and disconnected from reality should have gotten help. The mental health facility he was in "voluntarily" apparently sent him quickly over the edge and he broke out and hijacked a car three weeks ago. He was apprehended and spent a couple of days in jail. Where, in all this, was the professional assessment of his mental health? Why didn't/couldn't his family blow the whistle? Why didn't his friends know something was seriously amiss? Why weren't the guns (apparently his dad's?) secured?
I truly do not have the answers to these questions, but they need asking.
TC
A kid who, by most accounts, was not evil but rather "strange" and disconnected from reality should have gotten help. The mental health facility he was in "voluntarily" apparently sent him quickly over the edge and he broke out and hijacked a car three weeks ago. He was apprehended and spent a couple of days in jail. Where, in all this, was the professional assessment of his mental health? Why didn't/couldn't his family blow the whistle? Why didn't his friends know something was seriously amiss? Why weren't the guns (apparently his dad's?) secured?
I truly do not have the answers to these questions, but they need asking.
TC
NineseveN
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No disagreement from me there, but I doubt you'd like your friends and family to be berated because they were mourning you if you did something incredibly terrible and ended up not only taking a life, but losing yours as well. Again, mourning knowns nothing of penal codes or right or wrong...I'd like to focus on the criminal, not those close to him that mourn his loss...they didn't pull the trigger simply by having known him or cared for him.
NineseveN,
I understood your point and it's probably a fair observation of the state of affairs with today's youth (and I get to be with America's future for 8 hours a day ). Not flaming you one bit.
I guess I was just hoping that at least one of the aforementioned self-absorbed brats would maybe, just maybe, look at the fact that the fart-in-a-windstorm committed an act of evil and that ot wasn't something that "happened" to him.
I understood your point and it's probably a fair observation of the state of affairs with today's youth (and I get to be with America's future for 8 hours a day
). Not flaming you one bit.I guess I was just hoping that at least one of the aforementioned self-absorbed brats would maybe, just maybe, look at the fact that the fart-in-a-windstorm committed an act of evil and that ot wasn't something that "happened" to him.
Mr. James
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Or to them. These kids are far too enamored of the first-person singular.
Self absorbed little twits, with all their "yo, peace love out" crap. By the age of eighteen, most of my cohort, as young and stupid as it most surely was, was quite capable of recognizing good and evil in its most naked forms.
But after this man - at random - murders a police officer, a wife and mother of two young children, after he leaves another veteran police officer, father of two children, fighting for his life with five gunshot wounds, not ONE comment from these punks even acknowledges the human carnage Michael William Kennedy chose to leave in his wake in making his gory exit from this mortal coil. I suppose I should take some solace in seeing that at least two of these kids were capable of prayer in some form.
And to borrow from Al Pacino, we need to take an f'ing FLAMETHROWER to www.myspace.com.
It wasn't bad enough as the "go-to" site for pedophiles trolling for "love;" now it's the gathering site of choice for every self-absorbed, maladjusted, budding little psychopath in the nation. The "music" alone on that site is reason enough to call in an air strike.
Self absorbed little twits, with all their "yo, peace love out" crap. By the age of eighteen, most of my cohort, as young and stupid as it most surely was, was quite capable of recognizing good and evil in its most naked forms.
But after this man - at random - murders a police officer, a wife and mother of two young children, after he leaves another veteran police officer, father of two children, fighting for his life with five gunshot wounds, not ONE comment from these punks even acknowledges the human carnage Michael William Kennedy chose to leave in his wake in making his gory exit from this mortal coil. I suppose I should take some solace in seeing that at least two of these kids were capable of prayer in some form.
And to borrow from Al Pacino, we need to take an f'ing FLAMETHROWER to www.myspace.com.
It wasn't bad enough as the "go-to" site for pedophiles trolling for "love;" now it's the gathering site of choice for every self-absorbed, maladjusted, budding little psychopath in the nation. The "music" alone on that site is reason enough to call in an air strike.
Camp David
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Norton said:
Now you are getting close to the real problem in society that causes such shootings, or at least contributes to them. Consider:
(1) Guns are largely frowned upon in society today and schools offer no gun safety training.
(2) Morality is not taught in schools and many parents do not teach morality and good behavior to children.
(3) Mass media promotes violence overzealously to children.
(1), (2) and (3) combined in some way to affect Michael Kennedy; his reprehensible actions are indeed his responsibility however other social triggers might have affected his actions. Violence on television and movies, a childhood without moral guidance, and no proper gun training; all might have conspired to drive him to a single act of violence.
Perhaps if any good can come out of this tragedy it might be the acknowledgement that such youngsters as Michael Kennedy are indeed out in society and pose a real threat to law enforcement and the public at large. Before we put all the blame on them, we might examine what other factors in society drive such violence.
NineseveN
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I think that was my biggest issue with it as well...the disconnect seen there is not surprising, but it is indeed sad. Now, when the parents start blaming everyone except the people responsible, that's what I start to get angry.
Wanna bet it's Marilyn Manson and the school or even the police that get blamed and not the negligent parent that left his guns to be taken, not the hospital staff that released the kid, not the parents that didn't seem to do a whole lot for this kid and his issues (I know I'm kinda assuming there and I could be wrong)?
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