POLL: Handgun Accidental & Negligent Discharges

POLL: Handgun Accidental & Negligent Discharges

  • Single Action Revolver AD

    Votes: 11 6.2%
  • Single Action Revolver ND

    Votes: 20 11.2%
  • Single Shot Handgun AD

    Votes: 2 1.1%
  • Single Shot Handgun ND

    Votes: 1 0.6%
  • Double Action Only Revolver AD

    Votes: 1 0.6%
  • Double Action Only Revolver ND

    Votes: 6 3.4%
  • Double Action / Single Action Revolver AD

    Votes: 5 2.8%
  • Double Action / Single Action Revolver ND

    Votes: 27 15.2%
  • Double Action Only Semi-Auto AD

    Votes: 6 3.4%
  • Double Action Only Semi-Auto ND

    Votes: 10 5.6%
  • Double Action / Single Action Semi-Auto AD

    Votes: 7 3.9%
  • Double Action / Single Action Semi-Auto ND

    Votes: 24 13.5%
  • Single Action Semi-Auto AD

    Votes: 23 12.9%
  • Single Action Semi-Auto ND

    Votes: 45 25.3%
  • Striker Fired Semi-Auto AD

    Votes: 11 6.2%
  • Striker Fired Semi-Auto ND

    Votes: 38 21.3%
  • Other

    Votes: 10 5.6%

  • Total voters
    178
  • Poll closed .
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POLL: Handgun Accidental & Negligent Discharges by Action-Type

If you have ever personally experienced, witnessed, or been made aware of an Accidental or Negligent Discharge, what type of handgun action was involved? Vote all the action-type choices that apply.

For purposes of this poll, an Accidental Discharge is one caused by MECHANICAL FAILURE of the weapon (e.g., part breakage, mechanical safety failure, design flaw, etc.).

For purposes of this poll, a Negligent Discharge is one caused by SHOOTER ERROR (e.g., mistakenly snagging/pulling the trigger of a loaded weapon, failure to properly clear, etc.)).

Please restrict your votes to personally verifiable incidents where you have 1st or 2nd hand knowledge of the incident:

1) It happened to you
2) It happened to someone else in your presence or earshot
3) You investigated or responded to an incident after the fact (officially or as a civilian)
4) It verifiably happened to a family member, co-worker, or personal acquaintance

Feel free to provide details, but I’d like to keep the flame wars (arguing definitions, brand bashing, etc.) to a minimum. I’m seeking to identify any broad trends and am especially interested in the experiences of our older members with regard to frequency of incidents with revolvers vs. semi-autos.

Extra credit to the first person to use the phrase/s: 1) “Keep your booger hook off of the bang switch...” or 2) “Your primary safety is the one between your ears...”.
 
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you accidentally discharged this thread without a poll to vote in

1) “Keep your booger hook off of the [strike]bang switch[/strike]submit button
2) “Your primary safety is the [strike]one between your ears[/strike] preview button”.
 
Smartass :)

First time I've ever done a poll. Didn't realize that the intro text was already posted while I was still building the poll.

Fixed it.
 
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For purposes of this poll, an Accidental Discharge is one caused by MECHANICAL FAILURE of the weapon.......

Whether this is the correct definition or not, discharges due to weapon malfunction are pretty rare compared to human causes.
 
Does anyone know of a site that contains information on actual 'recorded' mechanical accidental discharges (I'm about ready to search but thought I would first ask for my own edification)?

-Cheers
 
Multiple, actually...
2 hunting accidents (1 rifle, one handgun) and a dumb friend with a shotgun.

EDIT: Whoops, those were just NDs in general..
I guess just one then.
 
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Yep, mine was with an HK P7 about 1986.
No fault of the gun, just a brain fart from the loose nut behind the trigger.
This was many years before A-Hole Gore "invented" the internet and long before I ever heard of Four Rules.
No harm done, except to my ego (which lasted a number of years) and to the interior wall, which lasted about one day.
It sure has stuck with me, as I imagine it sticks with most.
 
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Never had an AD/ND with a firearm except with my air rifle and that lead pellet is stuck in the deck now.
 
Whether this is the correct definition or not, discharges due to weapon malfunction are pretty rare compared to human causes.

Yes, they are pretty rare. I'm still interested in them, hence AD inclusion in the vote option for each weapon type.

It's hard to find any studies or data summaries (I've looked). We all know that ADs & NDs happen. I'm just trying to see how they are spread out among different action types.
 
You're getting super skewed results because there's no option for people who have never had/witnessed any type of ND/AD with a handgun.

Even if 100 people mark having had either an ND or AD, for all we know, 500 others visited this thread and didn't vote, because the option for no ND/AD isn't there.

That being said, I didn't vote.
 
I'm not interested in folks who have no experience with ADs/NDs.

That's why I deliberately left that option out.

I'm simply canvassing for incidents by type of handgun.
 
There is no such thing as accidental discharge. It's a myth like big foot.
You're thinking of negligent discharge. An "accidental discharge" is a discharge due to a mechanical failure on the weapon itself.

I disagree though. Even if you think of it as "discharge due to stupidity," it still falls under the category of an unintentional discharge, and that's what the OP is looking at.
 
You're thinking of negligent discharge. An "accidental discharge" is a discharge due to a mechanical failure on the weapon itself...

Not to be rude but I reiterate, does anyone have conclusive links (evidence) of an actual accidental discharge due to a mechanical malfunction? I am not saying they have not happened, I would just like to know of a recorded event...? Is it possible that it's conjecture?

-Cheers
 
PT92: Sure they've happened. I've had one with a SAA clone (broken sear). I've had one with a P-38 that fired upon being de-cocked. Guns wear out or have parts fail at inopportune times.

Outside the realm of my handgun poll, I've seen several instances of Army M24 Sniper Rifles firing due to mechanical flaw (when the safety was wiped off) and sat on investigative shooting boards analyzing the same.

In the military, we do formally differentiate between the two types of discharge. Proving weapon failure vs. shooter failure can be a deciding factor in formally ending someones military assignment or career. 200+ years of institutional experience with a fleet of several million issued small arms has taught the services that weapons do occasionally fail. Some designs more than others.

Google Remington 700 safety problems and you can amuse yourself with a vast compendium of entries and forum discussions concerning that weapon's AD problems.

As this poll progresses, I'm sure that you will see a certain number of ADs posted. They are only uncommon in comparison to NDs. NDs are the norm because people are human and make mistakes. There is an old saying: "It's hard to design something foolproof, because fools are so damn ingenious". ADs are far less common because firearms engineering design & redesign tends to eliminate flaws and product liability laws provide the impetus to strive for perfection.

Consider this: It's human nature to shift blame, obfuscate, lie, embellish, or deny. That explains why so many idiots blame their NDs on the pistol instead of their trigger finger. It briefs well to non-gun people and is preferable to an admission of careless stupidity.
 
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Not to be rude but I reiterate, does anyone have conclusive links (evidence) of an actual accidental discharge due to a mechanical malfunction? I am not saying they have not happened, I would just like to know of a recorded event...? Is it possible that it's conjecture?

On a handgun, no. On a rifle, yes. I had a Mauser sporter that I had at the range one day. Pulled the trigger, nothing. Looked up, noticed the safety was on. Flipped the safety off - finger nowhere near the trigger, and got an instant bang. I tried it again and was able to reproduce the behavior. Basically, on that rifle if you pulled the trigger with the safety on, then it wouldn't fire, but as soon as the safety was disengaged it would.

The gun was pointed downrange so all was good, and I had it repaired, but it's a prime example.
 
"Have you ever personally experienced, witnessed, or been made aware of an Accidental or Negligent Discharge with any type of handgun?"

Where's the option to vote NO? Not in over 50 years have I seen a true AD/ND. I've seen folks shoot target frames and hit the dirt in front of the target, but they were just bad shots.

John
 
Saw an AD with a small Astra .25 auto in the gun shop I was working in at the time. Was brought in by a customer that said it was "messed up", and before asking exactly what was the problem, my boss racked the slide and there was a round in the magazine...and the "messed up" was that it was slam firing....put a bullet in the linoleum tiles between his feet.

Had a ND of my own in my early 20's, while working on the grips of a Ruger Security Six, to fit a speedloader, was stupid enough to be using live rounds and after several times of testing the fit, ejecting the rounds and sanding more wood off, I ejected the rounds and did not count them in my hand, closer the cylinder and jokingly took aim at a cowboy movie poster on my door and put a bullet right through the door.
 
The only incident I can relate in my 47 yrs of gun handling was a bozo I witnessed rack the slide and drop the mag THEN pull the trigger on a G I Colt. Cost him a stripe and a trip to my medic hooch.
 
I'd love to hear the details for the "Other" votes.

I threw that category in because there is always someone out there with a really unique weapon type...

Electronic ignition? Gas powered?
 
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