Possible Walmart OC trespasser banned

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skeeterfogger said:
Civilian open carry is just show off ignorant.
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Umm, no. For many of us, in certain circumstances, it is practical and will offer us the best opportunity to protect ourselves, as many people would not carry a larger and easier to shoot and higher capacity gun if they were restricted to concealed carry only.

Maybe it's a bad idea in some situations, and maybe some who do it are show offs, I've certainly seen them, but a blanket statement like that is just silly.
 
What’s the difference between than and the guy boycotting them for the rest of his life?

Oh, some think they have the right to their views and others don’t?

I suppose on the flip side, should Walmart be forced to bake a cake for a couple of open carriers wedding?
 
Elkins45 said:
If they told him to leave and he refused they did.

When I took the CCW class the instructor specifically told us if we got caught defying a "no guns" sign then the store could tell us to leave. We were guilty of trespass if we didn't.
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True, but nobody asked him to leave and there were no posted signs. That being said, he's an idiot for the Facebook live video he posted before the video here.
 
MedWheeler said:
KYregular writes:



I saw nothing in the OP to indicate an arrest was made. Was there one?

Since Wal-Mart is a private entity, maintaining private property, they can indeed bar anyone from entry onto it (assuming Federal anti-discrimination laws are adhered to; firearms-carrying is not yet a "protected class.") Whether the individual signs the document or not, he's still banned. All it takes is a representative of the proprietor to issue the warning in the presence of law enforcement. Now, I do have doubts about whether or not a store manager has the authority to ban an individual from the grounds of any WM property nationwide.


Steve S. writes:



Let's not be try to turn this into yet another "OC vs CC" thread. Those don't tend to remain open very long.
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No arrest was made or even insinuated, that's why he never should have signed anything.
 
KYregular said:
True, but nobody asked him to leave and there were no posted signs. That being said, he's an idiot for the Facebook live video he posted before the video here.
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That's the problem with things lime this. The video starts in the middle of the encounter and we have no idea what happened before the recording started.

I heard he wasn't asked to leave also but do we know that's what happened? I wish we could see The Facebook live video.

ETA according to his own account he went there to get a reaction and point out Walmart's "unsafe practice" of leaving the sporting goods counter and the guns unattended.

According to his Facebook post he sat at the sporting goods counter for 25 minutes waiting for an associate and was apparently YELLING for someone to come help him.

He also said that it wasn't Walmart who called the police. It was another shopper
 
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In my state, Florida, there's something that every armed citizen should remember.... if any possible trespass situation occurs... ordinary trespass is a simple misdemeanor.... Trespass while armed is a felony....

Not something anyone I know would be volunteering for...
 
Trunk Monkey said:
That's the problem with things lime this. The video starts in the middle of the encounter and we have no idea what happened before the recording started.

I heard he wasn't asked to leave also but do we know that's what happened? I wish we could see The Facebook live video
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I'll try to find the FD cast and post
 
Steve S. said:
As an avid gun owner, I ask myself why would I want to “OC”; I cannot think of one good reason other than “it is legal”. I do not want anyone to know that I am armed and I do not want to intentionally cause people to be uncomfortable. OC is reserved for a certain kind of personality (especially in a present day Walmart). Being armed and common sense are not mutually exclusive.
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You do not want to OC. There are plenty of rational arguments not to OC. But I cannot think of why you would want it to be denormalized or even banned. If it is, concealed carry is next. Like I wrote above, the difference between concealed and open carry is a small technological step. Once that technology is in place, we are all effectively open carriers.

I am not an open carrier, but open carry and open carriers have my full support. The right to keep and bear arms is a reasonable right. I do not characterize people who exercise a reasonable right as having a certain "personality" or as lacking common sense. Some people are narcissistic, self-involved, attention whores. Just because they use open carry for their purposes shouldn't characterize all open carriers any more than any other foolish use of a firearm should characterize all firearm owners. Open carry itself is not foolish, but foolish individuals can use it to attract attention to their foolishness. Nevertheless, if you only support the "hidden" exercise of the rights the 2nd Amendment is purposed to protect, then you can expect that only "hidden" exercise will remain permissible. And there is nothing hidden that will not be manifest or brought into the open.
 
labnoti said:
You do not want to OC. There are plenty of rational arguments not to OC. But I cannot think of why you would want it to be denormalized or even banned. If it is, concealed carry is next. Like I wrote above, the difference between concealed and open carry is a small technological step. Once that technology is in place, we are all effectively open carriers.

I am not an open carrier, but open carry and open carriers have my full support. The right to keep and bear arms is a reasonable right. I do not characterize people who exercise a reasonable right as having a certain "personality" or as lacking common sense. Some people are narcissistic, self-involved, attention whores. Just because they use open carry for their purposes shouldn't characterize all open carriers any more than any other foolish use of a firearm should characterize all firearm owners. Open carry itself is not foolish, but foolish individuals can use it to attract attention to their foolishness. Nevertheless, if you only support the "hidden" exercise of the rights the 2nd Amendment is purposed to protect, then you can expect that only "hidden" exercise will remain permissible. And there is nothing hidden that will not be manifest or brought into the open.
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There are enough Democrats out there if I want someone to tell me what I want or don't want to do.
 
I am not boycotting Walmart because the the idiot that is the subject of this thread. I am boycotting because of the new policies they are enacting about no longer selling handgun or “short barreled rifle” ammo.

It is their business what they sell.
It is my business where I shop.
They no longer need my money, apparently.

I did send Walmart corporate an email regarding my thoughts on their business decision. I have not received a response.
 
Steve S. said: ↑ "As an avid gun owner, I ask myself why would I want to “OC”; I cannot think of one good reason other than “it is legal”. I do not want anyone to know that I am armed...."
Labnoti said: "You do not want to OC...."
Jack Ryan said: "There are enough Democrats out there if I want someone to tell me what I want or don't want to do."


Don't take my statement out of context. I did not tell you what you want or don't want to do. I was responding to Steve S. who wrote he did not want to OC.
 
Anyone OC-ing in Walmart after their policy change was blasted all over every news cast in the country for a week was only looking to make a point. Open carrying just to make a point is stupid.
 
skeeterfogger said:
Civilian open carry is just show off ignorant.
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When I'm in the mountains I carry a large revolver, which I of course open carry. If I hit the store on my way there or back, or want to gas up, the gun stays in the holster. Usually, the holster and gun combo aren't easy to conceal, but I won't leave it in the vehicle, so open carry is what happens. I'm not interested in showing off, and I don't consider myself ignorant (though I'm sure few people ever do). I'm just going about my business.
 
If dude was legitimately brandishing (fondling, displaying the weapon etc...) then I am on board with Wally World on this one. If dude is sitting in the ditch in front of my house doing the same I will respond as Walmart did... law enforcement approaches and ascertains why invidiual is playing with a firearm putting me at risk (or my customers in Walmart’s situation) and I agree... I don’t want that guy coming back. If it were just shopping with a pistol on hip I could care less, just like if people are walking their dog on my street and decide to carry a pistol... do it safely and I have no issues. Be a jack wagon, get treated like a jack wagon.
 
After looking at the video a few times, and looking at the facebook page it tracks back to, I find this. If the man in the video and the facebook page owner are the same, then I have no sympathy. If your goal is going though life provoking situations, don't be surprised when someone decides they don't think much of your calling. It looks like another Self Appointed Second Amendment Compliance Officer making a fool of himself and being treated just like that: a fool.
 
While I support open carry, I believe there is time and place. We need to exercise discretion.

Just because I can dance anytime anywhere does not mean I should dance at a funeral.

The fool who open carried at Walmart after 22 people were recently shot at Walmart was like dancing at a funeral smiling and wondering why grieving people are upset with him.

Good grief.
 
labnoti, you points are well articulated and well taken; in this day and age, I simply do not want people around me to be made uncomfortable or afraid over a decision I control and I make - especially any children with their mothers - when mothers get scared, the children get scared and then momma bear gets very angry (as she should). I do not want to be the cause of that fear.
My post was not a judgement or meant to be personal; open carry rubs nerves and causes fear - rational or not, legal or not, constitutional or not - it now does more than ever. I support all gun rights and I also believe that all gun owners are much better off not rubbing salt in what is now a very raw wound. We have got to use our heads and be ever more mindful about gun-timid people around us - they vote.
 
1) He should be banned for life just for carrying in that piece of garbage one size fits nothing nylon and velcro piece of refuse.

2) If you start live streaming in someones store, expect to be ejected.

3) If you live stream employees or customers, you sure as heck are being ejected.

4) The bike?

Okay guys, he's a turd. He got ejected for being a turd. Let's not make this into a gun rights thing. Turds are turds. Turds wearing guns are still turds.
 
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