Posting firearm ownership information on internet forums - bad idea?

[JohnBT]

"Don't underestimate the threat."

I haven't seen anyone underestimate the threat. What I see are people overestimating the threat. In the history of this country there have always been threats, and people willing to stand up to them. It isn't any different this time.

There have always been laws that went too far, and a system of checks and balances to deal with them.

Hiding in the weeds and not posting pics of guns doesn't figure into it.

John
Member www.vcdl.org
NRA Life/Benefactor

 

[wgaynor]

Ok, I'll give and go with the Unalienable Rights in this instance, but being that I am a Christian, I believe that my rights come from God.

You don't have to. That's cool with me.

 

[joeschmoe]

Joe, once again, it's not about my faith in the constitution. I believe in it. That's why I swore to defend it. I just refuse to stick my head in sand like you are doing right now in order to hide from the truth. The truth is that the politicians are the enemy of the constitution and our God given rights. Just look at the fact that current politicians believe that rights come from them and not from God and you will quickly come to this realization.

Time to wake up and smell the java. We either stand now united, and fight to retain our rights, or we'll be divided and our freedoms will become just a memory.

It doesn't matter if they are devil worshiping, communists with a Hitler complex. The Constitution restrains them. Not their moral character. The Constitution has been effective at that for over 200 years.
I have faith that the Constitution has, and will, restrain such would-be tyrants. You do not. I know my rights and I know the Constitution serves to protect them. Reasonable people can disagree on the finer points, but confiscation is way over the line that SCOTUS has already drawn. How can there be confiscation after Heller/McDonald? Answer = There can't be. Paranoid delusions of confiscation or Obama eating your children are not rational.
I keep repeating that incremental erosion of our rights is the real danger. You then accuse me of not recognizing it. I have guns, the Constitution, SCOTUS cases and history to prove my points. You point to rumor, illegal/isolated acts and myth. Your arguments are baseless.

I agree we need to stand together behind the 2nd. Not go running off chasing imaginary demons and paranoid delusions that only serve to distract us and help the anti's.

 

[Arbo]

joe, we will never stand together when there are those of us (you) that refuse to acknowledge the reality of the past.

If the Constitution is so strong, so good, no way for them to go against it, why bother fighting them at all? You should just kick back and enjoy life, for they can never do anything against the Constitution that may effect you. Right?

The rest of us can see the list of enumerated powers and look at what the government has it's hands in, and see that the government doesn't give a crap about the Constitution and will do whatever it feels it needs to do.

 

[joeschmoe]

If the Constitution is so strong, so good, no way for them to go against it, why bother fighting them at all? You should just kick back and enjoy life, for they can never do anything against the Constitution that may effect you. Right?

I keep repeating that incremental erosion of our rights is the real danger.

:banghead:

"Confiscation" is a red herring.

 

[Arbo]

If incremental erosion is a real problem, then how can the Constitution be so strong there is nothing to worry about? How can you be so sure that that erosion doesn't lead to confiscation? All it takes is a partisan SCOTUS to reverse Heller and move us back to the 2nd being viewed as NOT an individual right.

How can you be sure that in some magical fashion we can't head down the path other nations did in the past?

You can't be sure of any of it. That's why those of us that believe in the Constitution will speak up and get involved, and work to do our best to ensure it doesn't get to that point.

If everyone sat back and said 'well, they are eroding our rights, but it can't end bad for us, so let's just go bowling', it would have ended badly for us long ago.

 

[browningguy]

Actually you should all have zero expectation of privacy anywhere and everywhere. You would be surprised at the amount of info the IRS has on you, just as an example. Their systems can track every purchase you make using credit/debit cards and compile that to determine if you are under-reporting income.

 

[TennJed]

Actually you should all have zero expectation of privacy anywhere and everywhere. You would be surprised at the amount of info the IRS has on you, just as an example. Their systems can track every purchase you make using credit/debit cards and compile that to determine if you are under-reporting income.

How are they getting this info? Are the banks turning it over willingly? Do you have links to this. As someone that has worked in banking a long time I find this hard to believe. Marketing and advertising companies pay big money for that type of data, and even with the big money involved it is not nearly efficient enough to do what you are claiming. I may be wrong, but would like to see some proof

 

[Kenneth]

"Confiscation" is a red herring.

WRONG! Confiscation is the goal! The left wants to end private ownership of all weapons forever!

I keep repeating that incremental erosion of our rights is the real danger.

TRUE! It's happening now!

NY State crosschecking medical records with pistol permits

Pistol permit suspended for use of prescribed anti-anxiety medication/ Reinstated


If you woudn't post your social security number, or your bank account numbers on a gun forum, why would you post specific information about guns that you own?

 

[the iron horse]

I think it's a good idea to stay under
the radar on everything.

 

[gym]

There is a commercial on TV, "it is set up to look like a mind reading act", I forget what company it's for, there is a bearded guy dressed in flowing white flowing clothes, and he asks folks to enter a large white tent.
Once inside he starts to tell them the most personal things possible from their husbands name to their dead parents names illnesses, right to their ss#, and bank account info.
Suddenly they pull away a curtain, and there are 6 or 8 masked hackers on computers systems. They were using programs which used facial recognition, and other sophisticated software and hacked into every aspect of their life from the name or Facebook twitter etc. accounts.
if they can find this info in seconds, on complete strangers, just imagine what they can find when focusing on individuals that they are really looking to hang something on. they can scan their credit cards "rfid chips" without anyone even taking them out of their wallet.
The future is here, they "the govt agencies who do these things" can find out anything and everything about you or your family in a matter of hours.
Staying off the grid has become almost impossible.
That is why I wouldn't worry about your hobby being a lawful gun owner at this point in time. If we go down that road it's a one way street.

 

[SunnySlopes]

and a system of checks and balances to deal with them

You're missing the point. The "balances" are being skewed in favor of the gun grabbers.

Here's an example of the threat. These gradeschoolers are already being conditioned to give up their Constitutional rights. What happens in 20 years when they become voters? What happens when that generation leads the country?

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/04/1...rth-graders-to-give-up-constitutional-rights/

 

[pat701]

I hope it wouldn't come back and bite us in the ass.

 

[SunnySlopes]

I hope it wouldn't come back and bite us

If you're talking about the long term, how can it not?

The govt is inundated with anti Constitution people who hate our traditions. These people control our schools. In our schools reside the future of America.

Do the math.

 

[CapnMac]

As to gov'ment data miners, remember that these are the same people who can only guess that there are "about 15 million" illegals in the country (and at the State level, run the DMV). What they do, they do slow, just with mass and inertia.

The private-source data miners have the pressure of competition to hone their skills. But, the amount of data out there is staggering. Most data miners have to mine just to find out what datasets already exist. Then, all that bulk/gross data has to be mined just the narrow the results.

You cannot just go searchquery::[name=('Bob*,Rob*);topic="AR";State="Ohio"] and get a listing of every Robert & Bob & Robby etc. in Ohio, who has ever posted the text string "AR." If you did, you'd then have to filter for "Arkansas" and still include "hunting trip" "competition" etc.

Even with access to Treasury information, you have overload conditions. You'd need to search every possible vendor, so, you'd have to mine the dataset for every single OH FFL. You'd then need to filter for non-Agency non-wholesale sales. You'd then have to see if the "what" is included in the receipt infomation--place like Walmart and Oshmans, and suchlike are only passing "Z tape" information. Hard work.

Cull the listing to only be the banking transactions of Jean Quixote Deauxes of 123 Rue d' Void, Erdstucke, OH--that's a smaller "window" of data.
Which is not going to help much if John bought that Bushmaster from a PA pawnshop for cash.

We live in a world awash in data. I'm ok with that, just another grain of sand awash in that ocean. Not so much as to turn a blind eye; not enough to try to surround muself with wireless video cameras.

 

[joeschmoe]

WRONG! Confiscation is the goal! The left wants to end private ownership of all weapons forever!

I don't care if their goal is to see us all in chains kissing their feet. It's also the goal of the Nazi's to kill all the Jews, the goal of the hippies to end all business and my goal to win the lottery. None of that is going to happen either.

TRUE! It's happening now!
NY State crosschecking medical records with pistol permits

Pistol permit suspended for use of prescribed anti-anxiety medication/ Reinstated

False. Follow your own links.

If you woudn't post your social security number, or your bank account numbers on a gun forum, why would you post specific information about guns that you own?

I don't. I don't facebook, twitter or give out private data online. Common sense, not fear of confiscation.

 

[BigBore44]

Joe,
I see your points. But if "the incremental erosion of our rights is the real problem", what do you believe is the end result of that erosion? What is the limit, in your opinion? Don't quote court cases. How far can they go?

 

[Shultzhaus]

Don't worry about the forum. If the Gov. wants to track you they can use some of Mr. "O"s drones. What did you think they are for, giving traffic reports?

 

[joeschmoe]

BB44,

IMO, the loss of things we currently have, like private sales, etc. Increasing the number of prohibited persons on the "list" by lowering the standards to include millions more people every year. Continued demonizing of gun owners and constant trimming around the edges of our ownership and use, until they get to define what/who is allowed. They will move towards (but not achieve) "allowing" us to still buy single shot pistols with 14" barrels and 28" double barrel shotgun. Even that would take them decades and they will probably fail trying. I don't believe legal mass confiscation or outright ban on ownership can occur. Most Americans support some form of right to arms. We will always have 2nd amend, Heller/McDonald, 200+ years of history, etc on our side.
This constant chant of "confiscation" since Obama was a candidate ('07), is just silly, distracting and dismisses the rest of our real issues. It is exactly like having some people in our tent running around screaming the sky is falling when we really should be discussing how to deal with the constant rain storms that are washing away our fields.

 

[SunnySlopes]

This constant chant of "confiscation" since Obama was a candidate ('07

And to discuss the erosion of our gun rights without mentioning him, or the vast majority of his political party, is like discussing lyme disease without mentioning ticks. The position of some forums is laughable.

 

[Arbo]

And to discuss the erosion of our gun rights without mentioning him, or the vast majority of his political party, is like discussing lyme disease without mentioning ticks. The position of some forums is laughable.

I agree. It seems pretty clear that a good number of those that have pushed anti-gun legislation have an 'end game', which happens to be no guns. To not put forth the slippery slope of their current attempts at 'gun control' is to ignore reality.

 

[ApacheCoTodd]

Don't worry about the forum. If the Gov. wants to track you they can use some of Mr. "O"s drones. What did you think they are for, giving traffic reports?

Yikes!... Send in the clowns, er, I mean drones.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Govern...-Designed-To-Identify-Civilians-Carrying-Guns

 

[wgaynor]

I think it'd be awesome if someone sold clay pigeons in the shape of drones... would make for some fun practice.

 

[freewheeling]

If they confiscate my guns I hope they let me keep my Howitzers. Those are collectors items and as long as I can lift them and carry them one step then I'm allowed to "bear" them, right? Need to do more pushups, though.

 

[JohnBT]

"If you woudn't post your social security number, or your bank account numbers on a gun forum, why would you post specific information about guns that you own? "

Why? What is anybody going to do with my gun info? Nothing I can't refute. It's such a small chance someone would try it's not worth worrying about.

Not too many years ago people used to have their Social Security Numbers printed on their checks under their name and address. Almost every business wanted the info (the driver's license # in VA) before they'd take a check and it was just easier to have the bank print it. Nothing bad ever happened that I heard about.

And bank account info? It's on every dang check you write. How are you going to hide it? Get serious.

John