Primers preorder...

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I think the original intent of this post was to share a possible find on primers. I don’t think anybody here is trying to get other people to buy primers from NFT. Is simple if you want to risk it and pay for primers expecting a future delivery go for it, if you don’t no one cares. I’m sure most of us here have spent a lot more than $60 on things that didn’t pan out or were plain stupid. So to each their own.
Right. There is also Trifusion which only asks for 50% up front but isn’t predicting delivery until at least July. I mean there are choices including on gunbroker. I truly hope northfork and trifusion work out for reloaders and even more so for them, the real risk takers.
 
I would agree with the notion that if we don't have something positive to contribute, let it alone, or like Mama used to say, if you don't have something nice to say, .......

Folks are aware of the risk, let them decide.

As long as this stays civil, which it pretty much has, it will run, but after 10 pages I'm not sure anything new is to be had, so, might be a fine line on staying open, or it might not. I can assure posters/readers that eyes are on the thread, not to judge NFT, or decide for anyone, but just to hopefully keep things up to THR standards. :)
 
I would agree with the notion that if we don't have something positive to contribute, let it alone, or like Mama used to say, if you don't have something nice to say, .......

Folks are aware of the risk, let them decide.

As long as this stays civil, which it pretty much has, it will run, but after 10 pages I'm not sure anything new is to be had, so, might be a fine line on staying open, or it might not. I can assure posters/readers that eyes are on the thread, not to judge NFT, or decide for anyone, but just to hopefully keep things up to THR standards. :)
alright! no more negative comments for me... but, the clown in me will still entertain the Siberian Primer smugglers from Mars narrative
 
The thought of possibly having someplace new to source primers is certainly one of the more exciting events that we've had to discuss here recently. I'm hoping everything goes as planned for everyone and I'm looking forward to feedback from those who have made purchases.
 
The reason we are spending so much time working on imports of Ginex is because after contacting CCI, Federal and all the other big players including Sellier & Bellot, we were told by their B2B department that they have no plans to sell primers to the public for the next 3-4 years because they project their entire capacity for primer production will be needed to produce their own ammo brands at the volume they are making right now.
-Noah

Has anyone heard this as well?
We do know that Vista is backordered 2 years, but they seem to still have some surplus primers to sell. I don't think their entire primer production is going to ammo, but for sure the vast majority of it is. Perhaps they just aren't entertaining any new primer customers as they can't currently supply their existing customers with enough.
 
I'm rolling the dice, won't be fun if this flops but the risk is minimal to me. I've helped about as much as I can over the past year so if this works it just means I can help local folks and friends a bit more.

Plus, while I may not need these now there could be a time where NFT has what I want or need in the future. I'm looking at it as an investment into the future, might be mine, might be ours. Time will tell
 
Has anyone heard this as well?
We do know that Vista is backordered 2 years, but they seem to still have some surplus primers to sell. I don't think their entire primer production is going to ammo, but for sure the vast majority of it is. Perhaps they just aren't entertaining any new primer customers as they can't currently supply their existing customers with enough.


Yes, there is a video and article online from the Vista CEO, published last fall or early winter. He clearly stated (then) that the ammunition industry had over 1 billion in back orders they contractually needed to fill. He also mentioned that if the “madness” stopped today (again, last fall), it would take the industry 7-8 months to fulfill all back orders and have retail shelves back to some sort of normalcy. He also mentioned that when Remington Firearms gets back into production, he intended to divert CCI primers to Remington ammunition production facilities to kick start Remington ammunition production and help fulfill ammunition shortfalls.
 
After all these 10 pages, I'm going to check in.

I'm one of the few that doesn't need SPP.

Having said that, I'm shorter in SRP than I want to be.

I'll wait, see how this plays out. I may get in on the SRP, if it comes to that.

I'm thinking that 6¢ each is not going to be a high price in the future. We'll be fortunate if that's all we have to pay.
 
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My $.02 is this. I have 17K SPP and 12K LPP or I would be in on this deal also. If there is a round two and the price remains the same, I'm in for 5K of each just to pad the stash.o_O

Bill
 
U’m put in an order for a thousand with a prepaid card ... don’t want to miss the party
Funny how you went from cheerleader wanting his dad's autograph to head naysayer who's afraid of getting "GOT". I now see how you have accumulated 800+ posts in less than two months of being here. Most are pure rambling drivel.

Bill
That’s uncalled for. Read #229 from the moderator for further guidance.
 
I hope you all well in this endeavor.

I did not write the below directing this towards any member, seller etc but just recounting past experiences and personal opinion.

In the early 2000's I started reloading seriously when I got hooked on sporting clay. The internet was a great resource for all sorts of information, sales, access to seasoned reloaders passing on their knowledge etc.

I purchased manuals, scale, PW 800+ press, case of wads, powder, hulls, primers but #7,#8 or #9 lead shot was unobtainable. In hindsight I should have asked the seasoned reloaders why they had a little bug in the posts quoting the spot price of lead.

The price of lead shot went from less than $20 to over $75 per bag. Rumor had it that the newly emerging middle class in China were buying cars and the lead was need for car batteries, militaries throughout the world were stock piling ammo especially China and the EV cars were using it for batteries. It was a perfect storm and lead shot was expensive and hard to obtain even if you had the cash.

So out of north Florida came Joe, I forget his real name, who had the great idea to mine the range to reclaim shot. Reclaiming shot and making it shootable was a bit more difficult then he imagined but reclaiming the lead and redropping into shot was not very difficult.

Joe would post a few times a week with pictures of the family and him out at the range mining lead, sifting the dirt and their 10-20 5 gal buckets of lead for a hard days work. He would pose questions to the forum of how do you do x or y etc. He was a very entertaining eloquent writer.

After about a month he decided he was going to make a go at a small business redropping reclaimed lead into shot. He had a business plan, his wife was going to start sewing shot bags and the his kids also had after school jobs with the business. When he offered his shot for sale its was a third to a half off the going price. Member who purchased the shot posted picture of the shot and the handmade bags made from jean material. For the forum members it was too good to be true.

Members of the forum were ordering shot by the ton, yes 2000 lbs. Joe was elated that his small business was taking off but he had way too many orders then he could fulfill with the current. Joe had to expand. Expansion was easier said than done. He had to research machines, move out of the garage and hire an employee or two. The big problem was seed money.

To get seed money for equipment Joe started a yearly prepaid shot subscription service where he would deliver x bags of shot each month. Some forum members were actually able to invest in the business itself. Updates to the forum showing the new digs and equipment. Highlights of success and failures.

For the first few months everyone was receiving their lead, weekly updates to the forum and then nothing. Joe had a health problem which stopped all operations. Joe could not reply to the forum himself but his wife did after about a month hiatus.

I could go on with the story but the punch line is there were never any kids, wife, equipment, lead etc.

This was my first and last component shortage. This start me on off on building an inventory of components and factory ammo which would last me 2 to 3 years. It took me a number of years to get there but I never ran out of anything I needed.

Just ask yourself why someone would invest $450k to gross $900k when the market could easily handle twice that.

Why do we only see this on THR and not AR15, snipperhide etc. Well kept internet secret?

Its funny the ease people have to shunt the risk to the credit card companies if this goes south. Now that directly impacts me with increased rates, fees etc. I guess the way I look at it.
Hold on...if there never was any lead, how’d the forum members get their lead for the first few months?

Where in north Florida was this, what forum, what year? Certainly someone reported this to the authorities. What happened from the resulting investigation? Don’t leave us hanging. Don’t need joes last name, I’ll find it easy enough with the other information.
 
Funny how you went from cheerleader wanting his dad's autograph to head naysayer who's afraid of getting "GOT".

Bill
thanks for the likes and shares! love you

yes, I’m the guy at the range that talks too much
 
Let's not forget that others have indeed traveled down this road.
It worked out well for them. Maybe the cost, paperwork and hassle was just too "off-putting" this time around.

https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/x-treme-primers-any-good.821407/

https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/unis-ginex-primers.820370/
Been down a slightly different road or today there are two parallel roads perhaps.

One is the Ginex road—do the primers work? The other is the retailer road—is the retailer reliable/trustworthy, etc?

On the first, yes the primers work, maybe not the best, but they work. Most here appear willing to use/buy them cause, well, it’s a primer and we need primers.

On the second, that’s what some of us are trying to discern. We want to believe, some do believe, others not quite yet, still others, no way.
 
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