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lol! it’s “coming” in from BC Canada. Don’t know why it can come in to Seattle or Tacoma. We have plenty of shipping lanes and docks
Trudeau would is the PRIMERminister
Primers preorder...
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Erief0g
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The replies and discussion has given some insight. While I'm still in good primer positioning, if I wasn't, I would be considering this option.
I look forward to deliveries of the first order and may jump on the second. In still stocked for two more years but as this continues I'll keep evaluating the situation. If nothing has changed by July I very well be looking to replenish or maintain my level of spp
I look forward to deliveries of the first order and may jump on the second. In still stocked for two more years but as this continues I'll keep evaluating the situation. If nothing has changed by July I very well be looking to replenish or maintain my level of spp
I Thought the same thing and they are already setup which puts them ahead of the game. I appreciated the guy coming on here and answering questions but they were answered like a true salesman and avoiding direct answers to some questions. He didn't answer my question about charging CC upfront. He skirted around it. You can take orders for so many and keep a tab on how many you have sold. You have the the CC info but do not charge until product is in hand and will ship. I have an order out now for some ammo that has not shipped yet. When I ordered my info was taken and I will be charged when it ships. If you place a back order with let's say Midway they do not charge until it ships. They also do not do BO's if they are not sure they will get an item. Many established business's operate this way. I hope it works out but I to shall pass on this first round. If it pans out there will be more and I'm good for awhile. I don't believe it's going to be 3 or 4 years before the CCI and the likes have primers available for the public...
I agree. If you REALLY need primers the secondary markets appears to have a gazillion of them. The only thing stopping some of you from going there is your wallet. If that's the case you don't really need primers, you want them, but at a certain price.
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Ok so what hasn’t @NorthForkTactical done?
He hasn’t flooded this forum or any of the other forums I read with “Buy Now Primers coming soon” We found him, he’s not soliciting us.
He hasn’t promised delivery in a couple of weeks, he’s not adding to the hype.
He’s not price gouging.
He’s accepting payment via credit cards, so he has a Merchant account that can easily get charged back and shut down, or have a charge back reserve set up by the credit card company that’ll grab a chunk of money out of his sales to protect visa and MasterCard.
If this is some elaborate scam, he’ll find himself charged with multiple counts of wire fraud, conspiracy, and ultimately RICO. He would also find himself subject to literally probably hundreds of pissed off gun owners. His address is not hard to find.
Finally this is not the only thing that North Fork tactical does. He’d be face of the litany of Felonies That would preclude him from firearm ownership and ultimately forfeiture of his FFL.
He hasn’t flooded this forum or any of the other forums I read with “Buy Now Primers coming soon” We found him, he’s not soliciting us.
He hasn’t promised delivery in a couple of weeks, he’s not adding to the hype.
He’s not price gouging.
He’s accepting payment via credit cards, so he has a Merchant account that can easily get charged back and shut down, or have a charge back reserve set up by the credit card company that’ll grab a chunk of money out of his sales to protect visa and MasterCard.
If this is some elaborate scam, he’ll find himself charged with multiple counts of wire fraud, conspiracy, and ultimately RICO. He would also find himself subject to literally probably hundreds of pissed off gun owners. His address is not hard to find.
Finally this is not the only thing that North Fork tactical does. He’d be face of the litany of Felonies That would preclude him from firearm ownership and ultimately forfeiture of his FFL.
Erief0g
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By giving pause we aren't insinuating scam. Just in a position to wait and see. We all have different means. We all have different risk tolerances. We all have our own vetting process before using a new vendor.
We are all reloaders. That is the common thread. Discussing is what we do and try and cover all angles.
I'm off the mindset that all opinions are valid and that opinion can be changed, validated, or ignored. You will see my initial response was largely no. More information came to light and I've switched from not no, just not now.
We are all reloaders. That is the common thread. Discussing is what we do and try and cover all angles.
I'm off the mindset that all opinions are valid and that opinion can be changed, validated, or ignored. You will see my initial response was largely no. More information came to light and I've switched from not no, just not now.
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Am I missing something? If you pay by credit card and it's a scam, you just contest the charge. It's up to the merchant to provide proof that they provided the product. If you need primers and are ok with paying $60+ whatever the shipping/hazmat charge is, then this looks like a pretty good deal. I don't see sub $40 primers being readily available anytime soon. There hasn't been a discord notification for primers in about 2 weeks and the last one sold out in less than 1 minute.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and make their own decisions. I opted to pre-order 5K from Noah early on. For me, the risk vs. reward was worth it. After hearing directly from Noah, in this thread, I’m still satisfied with my decision and will likely continue to do business with him if primers remain scarce for the next year or two.
CQB45ACP
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Doesn’t surprise me with import/export laws being what they are.
CQB45ACP
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I am far less skeptical than I was, but given my starting point I’m still some distance away.
Seems to be several IT guys here so I’ll put it this way, I don’t mind being an early adopter, but just can’t take being a first adopter.
Seems to be several IT guys here so I’ll put it this way, I don’t mind being an early adopter, but just can’t take being a first adopter.
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very true, the only thing I pre-order is Glocks
CQB45ACP
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I’d never even take a Glock as a gift.
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a wise internet man/person told me once... don’t buy the 1st model
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That wise man definitely wasn’t the Bitcoin, Apple, Microsoft or Amazon guy
[/QUOTE]for every winner, there’s a loser. nothing is free. no good deed goes unpunished.
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I am waiting for SRP, LRP to become available then I will jump in. Also the owner not advertising on many forums etc gives me pause. I would think that a salesman would want all product sold as soon as in hands. Unless he is trying to fly under further import restrictions going forward. Time will tell.
I hope you all well in this endeavor.
I did not write the below directing this towards any member, seller etc but just recounting past experiences and personal opinion.
In the early 2000's I started reloading seriously when I got hooked on sporting clay. The internet was a great resource for all sorts of information, sales, access to seasoned reloaders passing on their knowledge etc.
I purchased manuals, scale, PW 800+ press, case of wads, powder, hulls, primers but #7,#8 or #9 lead shot was unobtainable. In hindsight I should have asked the seasoned reloaders why they had a little bug in the posts quoting the spot price of lead.
The price of lead shot went from less than $20 to over $75 per bag. Rumor had it that the newly emerging middle class in China were buying cars and the lead was need for car batteries, militaries throughout the world were stock piling ammo especially China and the EV cars were using it for batteries. It was a perfect storm and lead shot was expensive and hard to obtain even if you had the cash.
So out of north Florida came Joe, I forget his real name, who had the great idea to mine the range to reclaim shot. Reclaiming shot and making it shootable was a bit more difficult then he imagined but reclaiming the lead and redropping into shot was not very difficult.
Joe would post a few times a week with pictures of the family and him out at the range mining lead, sifting the dirt and their 10-20 5 gal buckets of lead for a hard days work. He would pose questions to the forum of how do you do x or y etc. He was a very entertaining eloquent writer.
After about a month he decided he was going to make a go at a small business redropping reclaimed lead into shot. He had a business plan, his wife was going to start sewing shot bags and the his kids also had after school jobs with the business. When he offered his shot for sale its was a third to a half off the going price. Member who purchased the shot posted picture of the shot and the handmade bags made from jean material. For the forum members it was too good to be true.
Members of the forum were ordering shot by the ton, yes 2000 lbs. Joe was elated that his small business was taking off but he had way too many orders then he could fulfill with the current. Joe had to expand. Expansion was easier said than done. He had to research machines, move out of the garage and hire an employee or two. The big problem was seed money.
To get seed money for equipment Joe started a yearly prepaid shot subscription service where he would deliver x bags of shot each month. Some forum members were actually able to invest in the business itself. Updates to the forum showing the new digs and equipment. Highlights of success and failures.
For the first few months everyone was receiving their lead, weekly updates to the forum and then nothing. Joe had a health problem which stopped all operations. Joe could not reply to the forum himself but his wife did after about a month hiatus.
I could go on with the story but the punch line is there were never any kids, wife, equipment, lead etc.
This was my first and last component shortage. This start me on off on building an inventory of components and factory ammo which would last me 2 to 3 years. It took me a number of years to get there but I never ran out of anything I needed.
Just ask yourself why someone would invest $450k to gross $900k when the market could easily handle twice that.
Why do we only see this on THR and not AR15, snipperhide etc. Well kept internet secret?
Its funny the ease people have to shunt the risk to the credit card companies if this goes south. Now that directly impacts me with increased rates, fees etc. I guess the way I look at it.
I did not write the below directing this towards any member, seller etc but just recounting past experiences and personal opinion.
In the early 2000's I started reloading seriously when I got hooked on sporting clay. The internet was a great resource for all sorts of information, sales, access to seasoned reloaders passing on their knowledge etc.
I purchased manuals, scale, PW 800+ press, case of wads, powder, hulls, primers but #7,#8 or #9 lead shot was unobtainable. In hindsight I should have asked the seasoned reloaders why they had a little bug in the posts quoting the spot price of lead.
The price of lead shot went from less than $20 to over $75 per bag. Rumor had it that the newly emerging middle class in China were buying cars and the lead was need for car batteries, militaries throughout the world were stock piling ammo especially China and the EV cars were using it for batteries. It was a perfect storm and lead shot was expensive and hard to obtain even if you had the cash.
So out of north Florida came Joe, I forget his real name, who had the great idea to mine the range to reclaim shot. Reclaiming shot and making it shootable was a bit more difficult then he imagined but reclaiming the lead and redropping into shot was not very difficult.
Joe would post a few times a week with pictures of the family and him out at the range mining lead, sifting the dirt and their 10-20 5 gal buckets of lead for a hard days work. He would pose questions to the forum of how do you do x or y etc. He was a very entertaining eloquent writer.
After about a month he decided he was going to make a go at a small business redropping reclaimed lead into shot. He had a business plan, his wife was going to start sewing shot bags and the his kids also had after school jobs with the business. When he offered his shot for sale its was a third to a half off the going price. Member who purchased the shot posted picture of the shot and the handmade bags made from jean material. For the forum members it was too good to be true.
Members of the forum were ordering shot by the ton, yes 2000 lbs. Joe was elated that his small business was taking off but he had way too many orders then he could fulfill with the current. Joe had to expand. Expansion was easier said than done. He had to research machines, move out of the garage and hire an employee or two. The big problem was seed money.
To get seed money for equipment Joe started a yearly prepaid shot subscription service where he would deliver x bags of shot each month. Some forum members were actually able to invest in the business itself. Updates to the forum showing the new digs and equipment. Highlights of success and failures.
For the first few months everyone was receiving their lead, weekly updates to the forum and then nothing. Joe had a health problem which stopped all operations. Joe could not reply to the forum himself but his wife did after about a month hiatus.
I could go on with the story but the punch line is there were never any kids, wife, equipment, lead etc.
This was my first and last component shortage. This start me on off on building an inventory of components and factory ammo which would last me 2 to 3 years. It took me a number of years to get there but I never ran out of anything I needed.
Just ask yourself why someone would invest $450k to gross $900k when the market could easily handle twice that.
Why do we only see this on THR and not AR15, snipperhide etc. Well kept internet secret?
Its funny the ease people have to shunt the risk to the credit card companies if this goes south. Now that directly impacts me with increased rates, fees etc. I guess the way I look at it.
CQB45ACP
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That wise man definitely wasn’t the Bitcoin, Apple, Microsoft or Amazon guy
[/QUOTE]1979ish I was a new homeowner and my next door neighbor was a very young IT guy. I was a risk averse FBI employee and when Ken told me he was leaving his company to lead engineering in a just starting little communications outfit, I asked if he was sure he’d have job security. He said if not he’ll just go elsewhere. I was concerned for he and his wife. We moved away a few years later and didn’t keep in touch.
Little over a year ago I was reading a magazine in the doctor’s office and there was an article about a guy who was selling his house in Centreville or Clifton, VA which he built it for $26M dollars to match the one he had in Colorado some place. The guy was my old neighbor Ken Huntsman and that little outfit he went to became AOL. He is a billionaire because he took risk.
And me? I’m sitting here a retired Fed talking to you guys.
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I think the original intent of this post was to share a possible find on primers. I don’t think anybody here is trying to get other people to buy primers from NFT. Is simple if you want to risk it and pay for primers expecting a future delivery go for it, if you don’t no one cares. I’m sure most of us here have spent a lot more than $60 on things that didn’t pan out or were plain stupid. So to each their own.
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I had visions of a very bored Carpathian ship’s Captain in a typical, modern, highly computerized control room aboard a city-sized freighter surfing the internet coming across this thread and grunt, “Huh! Spoiled Americans! They have nothing to do but complain!” before going back to his Carpathian-language soap operas.
Real life is nowhere as exciting as the soaps.
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Then you are dropping off the thread, right? Not interested. Got it. Which means no more comment, right? Good!
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I think everyone needs to remember how Bruce Hodgdon got his start.
CQB45ACP
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On this forum? In 1954?
gonoles_1980
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Doesn't seem like he needs to advertise, I suspect the customer base here alone is enough to sell out his primers. If I needed SPP I probably would put in an order. I am happy to see another source of primers open up, it will helps when primers do come on the market.
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