Speedo66
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They actually say on their site the one drawback is that the bolt won’t lock back, but sounds like you overcame that.
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Does this help ? ( I don't know if your threads are the same as a AR15's )
https://www.mapartsinc.com/shop/details.asp?id=1323&iCat=20
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https://www.jsesurplus.com/knsextendedheight072squaresightpost040tallerthanstandard.aspx
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There are other options in PCCs. Just wish the KelTec folks had addressed their ergonomic issues. To make it right, a lot of the MCarbo add-ons are either necessary or a good idea. This does cut into the current KelTec price, which has been all over the landscape. I'm embarrassed about what I paid for my second one, because they were made of unobtanium.
It all comes down to a size/price/utility analysis. If all you want is a really compact carbine, for occasional use, then they make a certain kind of sense.
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It all comes down to a size/price/utility analysis. If all you want is a really compact carbine, for occasional use, then they make a certain kind of sense.
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When I first put it in it did not want to. After using it for a while it would if you really pulled. Now after a lot of use its back to where I hardly notice. I seldom bother to use that anyway. Some ranges will require all weapons to be bolt open when range is cold. I would "guess" that any that do this would be OK with an S2K owner just folding the rifle open for this time since of course no way for it to be loaded or fired.
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That first one might be tall enough. Ideally would want one like .5" tall. I'll buy one and give it a try, thanks.
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I have been a PCC fanboy since the 70's. For a long time they were not something many cared for so there was not a lot to choose from. Had a few over the years that were horrible to use but they worked, like the Commando Arms. Another was the Linda. While back this market just exploded and a LOT of choices started to show up. Then when the great mags are evil thing started I decided to stick with just Glock mags and lay in a lifetime supply. So now I have 6 PCC's that all use Glock. The Ruger is probably my favorite all around. Its big enough and heavy enough that the Wife loves it. She is VERY recoil sensitive. That (the Ruger) she will shoot even with +P ammo. So it makes a great around the home gun for her. When Henry came out with their latest that uses Glock mags I would have gotten one of those too but our state made them a no go here.
If we ever beat that law back I will add one of those too. The S2K does have its down side. The super compact is what makes them not much fun for many to shoot. So its all a trade off. The great thing to me is all the great choices in this market now.
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Yeah I don't really understand why keltec hasn't just addressed some of these things themselves instead of letting other companies finish their gun. I refuse to believe that they are not aware that anyone with a fat head can't see down the sights. I bought mine for $300 which is as much as I would ever consider paying for one. I'm not going to spend another $400 at Mcarbo on doodads for it.
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A "guess"? Because they still to this day can't make them as fast as they sell. No doubt a LOT of people buy one and add quite a bit to it but, there also has to be a lot of people who buy one and never add anything to them. They want a compact rifle they can stow and go with. Even today with a LOT of PCC's on the market to choose from the S2K is always selling as fast as they make them. They are FAR from being the gun for everyone but I doubt the family really cares. They have their market share and hold it.
For those who want a lot more out of a 9mm PCC there are many AR versions that allow them to have pretty much anything they want.
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Sure but why would you care so little about your customers that you wouldn't alter the 2 parts that it would take to fix the sight height issue entirely? Make the injection molded rear sight 1/4" taller and the front sight housing 1/4" talller and you are done and that doesn't affect the function at all. I have my own business designing and building stuff and I would never do that to my customers.
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I can see that; as noted, I paid too much for mine, because they were unavailable, especially with the desirable Glock magazine setup. But there is growing competition in PCCs, even 'folding' ones, like the Smith. KelTec would do well to consider some of the revisions we've mentioned.
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SwampWolf
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Yep-and the bigger the scope, the worse the look. I won't dispute the obvious advantages glass has on most any rifle but, in addition to appearance, a scope on a carbine like the Model 94 pretty much obviates one of the best reasons for having it-fast handling in heavy cover.
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Again don't know the family so no way to ask them. All I have to go on is there is a TON of PCC choices and these still sell faster than they can crank them out. So again a guess, they don't feel the need to do things differently. Again a guess, if they were suddenly not selling then I would guess someone there would change things??
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Hokkmike
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I understand that a Gen III is on the way... Just maybe !!!
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That would make sense why they are blowing them out so cheap for the last few months.
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And what makes the "scrunch" even more uncomfortable is the locking latch base at the end of the stock digging into your cheek, especially during recoil. If the "fix" for this is adding a bulky optic to a rifle I bought chiefly for its streamlined compactness, I quickly lose interest. I am finding with practice that the scrunch becomes more manageable over time but it will never be a natural hold. "Scrunch" gives the term "cheek weld" a whole new context.
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The Smith & Wesson Model M&P FPC as reviewed by the American Rifleman (October 2023 issue) does seem to be a reasonable alternative to the Kel-Tec 2000, as it allows the rifle to fold using almost any rear sight without compromising its compact, folded configuration (though it does weigh a pound more). That is until you compare its $659.00 MSRP price with the Model 2000's $299.99 price (after the one hundred dollar Kel-Tec rebate and my lgs's selling price of $399.99). For over under half the cost of the Smith offering, I will learn to scrunch a little better.
I broke that dinkey little mechanism on the rear pulling it the wrong way on day 1 without reading the directions or checking youtube. I immediately put the Precision Services LLc taller rear and a Vortex Crossfire II mine on a standard height mount. Everything cowitnesses well, I don't feel extreme discomfort and I enjoy the thing.
I have it as a "bug out" option and backup HD choice. The sub is fun and will still be shot but My AR9 is likely going to be my Go to range pcc. I have taken the sub out for 300 rounds or so twice since I got it in the spring and greatly enjoyed it. Probably not what I'm taking if I want to devote a whole day to one PCC.
My optic is on a QD mount that goes to the bottom rail for folding. It holds zero, folds and locks and fits in a 17 inch soft computer case without lumps poking out from the side.
I honestly don't process blowback PCC recoil the way most other shooters on forums seem to. It just doesn't feel bad to me and I don't know if that relates to me being 5'8" 215.
I have it as a "bug out" option and backup HD choice. The sub is fun and will still be shot but My AR9 is likely going to be my Go to range pcc. I have taken the sub out for 300 rounds or so twice since I got it in the spring and greatly enjoyed it. Probably not what I'm taking if I want to devote a whole day to one PCC.
My optic is on a QD mount that goes to the bottom rail for folding. It holds zero, folds and locks and fits in a 17 inch soft computer case without lumps poking out from the side.
I honestly don't process blowback PCC recoil the way most other shooters on forums seem to. It just doesn't feel bad to me and I don't know if that relates to me being 5'8" 215.
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Elkins45
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I’m a lefty and couldn’t stand the blowback from mine so I mounted a red dot on a 45° adapter. This accomplishes the double purposes of allowing it to still fold and also allows me to tilt the ejection port 45° so my face isn’t set on fire.
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Hokkmike
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I put a vertical grip on the forearm and holding the gun with it greatly alleviates the "scrunch" .... well, somewhat at least....I am debating a McCarbo mount & red dot.
SwampWolf
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Probably a good idea but I bought the gun because it was cheap and unencumbered by stuff that adds weight and detracts from the fast handling, "streamlined" configuration. I'll probably stick with what made me an interested buyer in the first place.
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Hokkmike
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Good thought....
The side folding of the S&W offsets some of the advantages of the KT. As is, the KT is thin enough folded to sit inconspicuously in a laptop case. I am not sure that is the case for the side-folding S&W, which must be about twice as thick.
