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Been looking at the Dillon progressive presses lately and am wondering. Primer install...can you feel the tension to know if it is a "loose pocket" or is this aspect lost with the progressive? Can you feel the primer seat and how snug it is? Or is it just good unless the primer falls out? Surely this isn't the case.

Russellc
 
most progressives seat the primer on the up stroke of the handle or down stroke of the ram for this reason. on my 650b i can feel the primer seating.
 
On the 1050 you cannot, primer depth is set with an allen wrench, you can on the SD, 550 and 650.
 
About the Square deal vs 550-650...

Thanks fellas, the 550 or 650 is likely the one, or within my budget any way. What is the Square Deal? I thought it was an older model, but I see it is still available. How does it differ from 550-650, if there are any Square deal users out there? Disadvantages, advantages? Searching the threads, I see it recommended if "you only load one caliber" or if "you only load 9mm and .45" I load 9mm, .45, and .223, but more pistol than .223. Currently being done on the Lee Classic Turret Press. May add .308 and .45 LC....or at least I am looking at those guns.

Thanks again for the info.

Russellc
 
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As Dillon says:

"Our automatic-indexing progressive reloader designed to load moderate quantities of common handgun calibers from .32 S&W to .45 Colt. It comes to you from the factory set to load one caliber. "

Loads only the listed handgun cartridges.

Automatic Indexing shellplate

Auto Powder / Priming Systems

Uses special dies

Manually fed cases and bullets

Typical loading Rate is about 300-500 Rounds per Hour

Comes Complete With Factory Adjusted Loading Dies Ready-to-Use, machine set up with proper primer size & shellplate installed.

.....

In other words, it is a less expensive small machine that comes factory set to bolt down to your bench and start cranking out one kind of pistol ammo.

Guys with more bench space than time, and who shoot a certain 2 or 4 or maybe 5 cartridges a lot, tend to buy one for each cartridge and never have to fool with setting up and changing anything. 9mm on one machine, .45ACP on the next, .38 Spc. on the third, etc.
 
As Dillon says:

"Our automatic-indexing progressive reloader designed to load moderate quantities of common handgun calibers from .32 S&W to .45 Colt. It comes to you from the factory set to load one caliber. "

Loads only the listed handgun cartridges.

Automatic Indexing shellplate

Auto Powder / Priming Systems

Uses special dies

Manually fed cases and bullets

Typical loading Rate is about 300-500 Rounds per Hour

Comes Complete With Factory Adjusted Loading Dies Ready-to-Use, machine set up with proper primer size & shellplate installed.

.....

In other words, it is a less expensive small machine that comes factory set to bolt down to your bench and start cranking out one kind of pistol ammo.

Guys with more bench space than time, and who shoot a certain 2 or 4 or maybe 5 cartridges a lot, tend to buy one for each cartridge and never have to fool with setting up and changing anything. 9mm on one machine, .45ACP on the next, .38 Spc. on the third, etc.
Thanks, I understand. Sounds like I need to decide whether to buy more than one Square deal, or settle to having to "reset up" for different calibers like I do now. I'm inclined to think 550 or 650....any thoughts on this decision if it were you?

Russellc
 
The SDB only loads handgun if not mentioned before, so if you wish to load rifle cartridges in the future you would need a 550 or higher. I own 2 550's and love them.
 
I have one of each (Square Deal/550). If you already have dies, the 550 is the way to go. If you're planning to load rifle cartridges or handguns larger than .45 Colt, get a 550. I started with the Square Deal in 9mm and added .380, .38/.357, .40 S&W, and .44 mag.
I bought a .500 magnum and needed a bigger press, so I got an RL550B.
My next thought was that small primers would stay on the square deal and large primers would be on the 550.
Right.
.223 Rem/5.56 is small primer. I've picked up a bunch of small primer brass in .45 ACP (which I now load on the 550). I'm still switching out primer systems. However, I'm now able to load .223, .308 Rem, .44 mag, .45 ACP, and .500 mag on the 550.

Changeover to a new caliber is much faster on the 550. There's more room for fingers around the shellplate. The optional roller handle is much easier on the hand when loading a large number of rounds (not available for square deal). I just learned a new trick for changing out the primer system that doesn't lose the alignment (only swap the cup and post on the slider). The only thing I really like better about the square deal is that it handles the spent primers better; the chute on the 550 sometimes hangs up if the cotter pin that it pivots on gets tweaked.
 
I own a 550B and an XL650. I am also preparing to get a 1050 on my bench as well.

With that said, I believe the mostly highly appreciate press on my bench, including the multiple single station presses, is my Dillon 550B. The press is simple, basic, quick, and forgiving. If you make an error on an auto-index press, it can be highly frustrating to move shells around, adjust again, then get back in the groove. That simply is not the case with the 550B. It makes you think more instead of just pulling a handle and having ammo pump out. Don't get me wrong, I love my 650 and have loaded many of rounds on it, but I think if I had to have one progressive press (or maybe even one press entirely?!) it would be the 550B.

Caliber changes on any progressive will take a little time, but you get better with experience. People often claim the conversions to cause headaches, take time, and to be a pain. I believe that this is over exaggerated for Dillon presses, and is often mentioned by those who do not actually own a blue press. Does it take a few minutes? Yes. Is it rocket science and terribly difficult? No. That is coming from a perspective of a 550 and 650.

Personally, I wasn't a big fan of the SDB. I couldn't tell you exactly what it was or why I wasn't, but I just didn't dig it.

Since you had asked, I will go ahead and give my honest opinion. Buy the 550B. It is truly enjoyable to load on and is what I like to think of as 'relaxing'.

If you load enough of multiple calipers, buy extra tool heads and powder dies and keep your dies set up in them. It will make the conversion even quicker. If you have money burning a hole in your pocket, buy multiple quick change kits; otherwise, set the powder dies on each toolhead, and use one powder measure for all the toolheads. Just remove it and transition it to the next toolhead and set it up quickly for the charge you want.

Also, skip the unnecessary accessories. In my opinion, a roller handle is an unnecessary addition. Your hand is coming off the press after every stroke anyways, which defeats the purpose of the roller part of the handle. I don't find the ball handle to be uncomfortable, even after sitting and loading 1,000 rounds straight. Also, low powder warning is also not necessary. You have to add primers every 100 rounds anywas, so make it a habit to check the powder as well when doing this. The strong mount is hit or miss, I have had my 550 on one and off of one, and liked it both ways. I see the benefits of it though, that's for sure. Also, I'm not sure I could see the need for a case feeder on the 550. If you're getting to the point you could benefit from one, the 650 is probably the better machine to go with. You can still crank out large quantities of quality ammo on the 550 without a case feeder and without the extra add-ons.

Like I said.. These are my OPINIONS and should only be taken as that. I know others will disagree, but that is the purpose of having individual opinions.

If you have any questions, feel free to PM. I could take pictures, walk you through questions, or even jump on the phone with you to discuss my Blue presses.

They are expensive, no doubt. But! They work, they are reliable, and they are enjoyable.
 
Good post ishoot17, you should be the blue guys' pitchman, got me wantin' to go out and get one:)
 
I own a 550B and an XL650. I am also preparing to get a 1050 on my bench as well.

With that said, I believe the mostly highly appreciate press on my bench, including the multiple single station presses, is my Dillon 550B. The press is simple, basic, quick, and forgiving. If you make an error on an auto-index press, it can be highly frustrating to move shells around, adjust again, then get back in the groove. That simply is not the case with the 550B. It makes you think more instead of just pulling a handle and having ammo pump out. Don't get me wrong, I love my 650 and have loaded many of rounds on it, but I think if I had to have one progressive press (or maybe even one press entirely?!) it would be the 550B.

Caliber changes on any progressive will take a little time, but you get better with experience. People often claim the conversions to cause headaches, take time, and to be a pain. I believe that this is over exaggerated for Dillon presses, and is often mentioned by those who do not actually own a blue press. Does it take a few minutes? Yes. Is it rocket science and terribly difficult? No. That is coming from a perspective of a 550 and 650.

Personally, I wasn't a big fan of the SDB. I couldn't tell you exactly what it was or why I wasn't, but I just didn't dig it.

Since you had asked, I will go ahead and give my honest opinion. Buy the 550B. It is truly enjoyable to load on and is what I like to think of as 'relaxing'.

If you load enough of multiple calipers, buy extra tool heads and powder dies and keep your dies set up in them. It will make the conversion even quicker. If you have money burning a hole in your pocket, buy multiple quick change kits; otherwise, set the powder dies on each toolhead, and use one powder measure for all the toolheads. Just remove it and transition it to the next toolhead and set it up quickly for the charge you want.

Also, skip the unnecessary accessories. In my opinion, a roller handle is an unnecessary addition. Your hand is coming off the press after every stroke anyways, which defeats the purpose of the roller part of the handle. I don't find the ball handle to be uncomfortable, even after sitting and loading 1,000 rounds straight. Also, low powder warning is also not necessary. You have to add primers every 100 rounds anywas, so make it a habit to check the powder as well when doing this. The strong mount is hit or miss, I have had my 550 on one and off of one, and liked it both ways. I see the benefits of it though, that's for sure. Also, I'm not sure I could see the need for a case feeder on the 550. If you're getting to the point you could benefit from one, the 650 is probably the better machine to go with. You can still crank out large quantities of quality ammo on the 550 without a case feeder and without the extra add-ons.

Like I said.. These are my OPINIONS and should only be taken as that. I know others will disagree, but that is the purpose of having individual opinions.

If you have any questions, feel free to PM. I could take pictures, walk you through questions, or even jump on the phone with you to discuss my Blue presses.

They are expensive, no doubt. But! They work, they are reliable, and they are enjoyable.
Well put potatohead, and thanks iShoot17. I am clearly going for either the 550 or 650,\
I've had enough input to see that much. I think I will watch a few videos and search more threads/wait for more responses before choice. Pricewise, the 550 has some advantage, just need to decide if this is something I should just cry once over, and whether or not its necessary. Strongly leaning towards 550 at this poinr.

Thanks again,

Russellc
 
Russell, One thing I haven't seen mentioned about the 550b vs the 650XL is that the 550b is not self indexing. The 650 is.

That may mean something to you or maybe not. Or maybe you already picked up on it from your research.

The 550 guys that have learned on a 550 love them. The 650 guys that learned on an auto indexing press love them.

I believe it's what you learned on but the self indexing press will not double charge as long as you complete the stroke every time.

I'm a fan of auto-indexing presses, but again, it's what I learned on.
 
Potatohead - I would love to work for Dillon! Whether it be a spokes person, one of their accountants, or to run around the stages with their names on my jersey (if I ever get to the point of needing a legitimate shooting jersey!).

tightgroup - Good call on being clear on that. I didn't word my post clearly to imply that fact. To agree with you, I love my XL650! And it was actually my first Dillon press. I started on it because it was in stock and I figured if I took it slow, I could get comfortable with the auto-index. One of the hiccups that was constantly binding me up was the forward push for primer seating. It was an unusual feeling for me after loading so many rounds on a single stage for so long. I ended up picking up the 550B used, for a hell of a deal (I won't say, as you guys would probably shoot me!). I started loading the majority of cartridges on it with the conversions that came with the press as I didn't have them yet for my 650. Now, I have 8 (I think?) conversions for the 550B and 5 for my 650. All the ones I have for the 650, I also have for the 550. Which presses I use, depends on my mood, urgency, purpose, etc. I think the reason I liked the 550 originally was because if I made an error seating a primer (not at all or not hard enough) I could fix it easily. Since then, I have just grown to really enjoy its simplicity. Both auto and manual indexing presses have their benefits, no one can deny that.

As far as my 'mood' comment above.. When I load for 357 Magnum, 'light and fluffy' range loads are done on the 650, powerhouse magnums loads are done on the 550, and hunting rounds are done on a single stage. Similar ideas are for other rounds as well.

^I may be crazy, but I think it would be safe to bet I am not the only one with goofy habits such as these.
 
I have 2, a SD and the newer SDB. One is dedicated to 357 and the other to 45 ACP- my main two cartridges. If I can make my son stop shooting 9mm I'll be good to go. But right now I am one lining them on an old Lyman Spartan. And I also carry a 380, but have not fell into that trap yet! 10 rounds a week has not made me crazy yet!!!!!
Catpop
 
First post on this forum, been lurking for a short time(good info here).
I had been looking into reloading for almost a year now, got the abc's of reloading book and a couple of reloading manuals to study and searched the web and watched YouTube to try to help decide on what to buy. Finally made my decision and got the Dillon RL550B a week ago set it up for 44mag really enjoying reloading I do not regret it at all, plan to add other calibers soon. Don't forget there no BS warranty
Set up is simple just take your time and read the directions and watch some set up videos on YouTube
Get the 550 you won't regret it.
Thanks for letting me put my two cents worth in
 
I found a used 650 as my first loader. I love this thing. Changing calibers is a snap. Takes a few minutes to swap from small to large primer but no big deal.
I have a dedicated toolhead set up for each caliber I load so I'm not constantly changing out dies and re-setting up. All I have to do is remove the toolhead and slide in another, change out the shellplate and maybe one more easy part and I'm set to go. I can't image not having a casefeeder.
Two things I would recommend doing is the spent primer mod and also the missed primer mod.
Today I loaded 500 9mm 124 grain Xtreme HP and then changed to 147gr Bayou coated and did 500 more. I have the Redding Competition seating die so that makes changing seating depth really easy.
Tomorrow I'll change over to 10mm. My toolhead is already set to go, so all I'll have to do is change the shellplate and its associated parts, and change over to large primer. It will take me about 15 minutes max to be reloading another caliber.
I really don't think you'd regret getting the 650 over the 550. Matter of fact, I have a friend who would probably sell you his 550 since he now has a new 650.
 
I can feel it good enough that I can tell when S&B cases come through, or when I change over the Federal primers. The Dillon 550 has excellent sensitivity and operator feedback.
 
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