Questions for Open-Carry state residents

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CONNEX 3300

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Looking over laws in Arizona, Wyoming and other "constitutional carry" states, I am wondering how easy it really is to open carry in public. Do most of the businesses prohibit open carry and thus nullify you rights? I live in a concealed carry state, but it is very rare to see a private business that prohibits guns. We have been trying to pass open carry for quite awhile. I fully support any move supporting the constitution, but I'm wondering what it will be like if we get our wish. Will businesses suddenly react by banning guns in their stores?

Can you guys really just walk down the street almost anywhere without causing much concern? I think it would be great but I have never seen it done. Just curious.

What about folks in Vermont? Great laws, but I'm wondering if the culture in the NE might have some negative reactions to open carry.
I guess I'm just wondering how things might go if we get open carry legalized.

Anybody with open carry experience is welcome to chime in with personal experience
 
One of the best sites to hear from peeps who open carry regularly is http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/forum.php

Go to different states sub forums and see what they have to say. For the most part open carry is a non-issue in Virginia. It isn't overly common but it isn't unheard of. I open carry occassionally when I am too rushed or tired to dress for concealed carry. Most people never even notice. Several localities were slow to get the message , like Norfolk, and it took losing a few lawsuits to get them on track. VCDL conducts seminars for police and the public for Man With A Gun calls. Some stores are anti-gun but they would be with or without open carry.
 
One more thing I have noticed. I have seen more young guys under 21yo who open carry because they aren't old enough to get a CHP. I have seen them at gas stations, 7-11's, Farm Fresh etc... They don't cause a panic as far as I can tell. When I see them I just watch for a minute but if they appear like they are going about their regular business then I have no issue with them.
 
I open carry a Single Action revolver.
I don't really get any noticeable attention besides a kid every now and again who asks me if it's real. People don't seem threatened by a wild west six-shooter.
 
I carry openly whenever I am in Arizona. I go there for work, vacations, etc and I go open as soon as I cross the state line.

In Phoenix, Scottsdale, and the more rural areas, I've never had anyone even give me any notice and none of the places I've wanted to go were posted against it.

It's funny, I was at Gunsite a few weeks ago and went into town (Chino Valley) to get band-aids and the little old lady working the cash register at this store I went into had her revolver strapped on.

I certainly don't have a lot of experience with it, but it's always seemed to be a non issue really. I have talked to people who live out there and they have said basically the same thing. If you dress nicely and wear the rig like you know what you are doing it doesn't seem to attract any attention at all.

I hope someday I can carry that way here in Texas, but I'm not sure we'll see it.
 
Well, I'd recommend you go to Opencarry.org and talk to those guys. That is their penchant. They also organize protests and such. I'll get to that.

Here in WA, we can open carry. You don't need a permit to open, but you can't keep it loaded in the car or hidden on the person. Pretty much all the other laws are the same. The conceal permit just adds a few things (like concealment obviously, and the car) but you also don't have to wait to buy a handgun or do the NCICS check at anymore. You just do one everytime you renew. Still, it is uncommon to see anyone publicly open carry. Not illegal, just not common. We are "shall issue" too, so most folks just get the permit. Personally, I "hybrid" carry. I conceal the weapon, but I usually wear an open shirt or jacket, so when the wind blows it shows. Sometimes it prints when I bend over. I don't care, I'm not undercover and nobody is trying to kill me (but I am aware when armed, for the simple fact your weapon can be the target of a crime).

Now every once in a while, somebody will go into a coffee shop and a hardcore Democrat MSNBC viewer will be in there and will immediately call the cops on the guy standing in line for his latte. In one case, it got recorded, made it on the internet and was discussed on here too. He was approached by the cops, told them his rights, but folded in the end and cowtowed to "their" version of the law.

This is where Opencarry.org comes in.

They organized a protest to go hang out at that particular Starbucks, the closest one to my house in fact, and all open carry. The cops were called again, but this time they weren't so enthusiastic about confronting ten to one armed individuals to enforce their version of the law. They just stood back and watched --or as we like to call it, doing their job. In fact, the result was that our local sheriff sent out a letter to each cop outlining the open carry part of the law, but not before siding with her officers of course. It basically said if they aren't "brandishing" then they are okay. Brandishing cannot be interpreted outside of our legal definitions, but it is kind of broad. To be on the safe side, just keep it holstered and you can be accused of brandishing. See, the cops that showed up and harrassed that one fellow said he could be accused of brandishing in the eyes of the lady that called them. Wrong, but he couldn't convince cops he didn't outnumber or agree with otherwise. In the end, the antis claimed a victory, claimed a change to the law was coming. It was. We got suppressors deregulated in this state, and no more background checks for handgun purchases (for CCW holders). The icing on the cake was when they claimed the Seattle prosecutor was an anti, was working with them, then was photographed downtown in Westlake Center arm in arm with a guy open carrying. Checkmate!

So it all depends, the answer to your question. Sometimes you still have to fight for what you have. The Opencarry folks advocate "use it or lose it" regarding rights. Shortly after the Starbucks incident, which was pretty big here and most of you don't know the half of it, Starbucks sided with the law and were hung out to dry by the MSNBC'ers. Anti coffee shops tried to get business by putting up "no firearms" stickers (I'll get to that too). There was an anti boycott and a pro boycott, and the pro won. Here in Pac NW, liberal capital of the world, but all liberal/conservative hoopla aside, we are also the most educated segment of population (over half of us in W. WA have attended or graduated college) and we also guard our democracy with great jealousy.

Now the places we can and can't carry in WA are specifically defined in the law, like I said, open and conceal is the same except conceal offers other advantages. For the most part, we can carry everywhere except "outdoor music festivals in which x number of people are in attendance" and "establishments where x percent of gross revenue is from alcohol sales". Stupid in that you have no idea if you are the x'th person to tilt the numbers! Courthouses and jails have to provide a checkin, like a coat check.

Some places put "no firearms" stickers on the door. But unless it is a federal facility, or a state one with a firearms check, it doesn't apply. The most they can do is ask you to leave and press trespassing charges if you refuse to the cop that shows up. These places get identified on Opencarry and then boycotted. And it works. There are a lot of diehard anti establishments here, but few are willing to enforce their policies (except against employees, whom they think they own) and around Ft. Lewis, even the anti ones ignore their own policies. They want your money more. A good example of "use it or lose it" I guess.

Good question, as it differs everywhere, and even where it is legal a lot folks don't think it is, including the cops.
 
Strykervet said:
For the most part, we can carry everywhere except...."establishments where x percent of gross revenue is from alcohol sales".

That is 100% incorrect. Washington has no such law, or anything even close. You cannot carry (concealed or openly) into taverns or the bar portion of a restaurant (signed 21 and older).
 
In Washington open carry is lawful, and is thus insufficient grounds for the police to detain you. They cannot detain you to investigate because someone called 911 and reported you were openly carrying. At one time the police ignored the rules regarding Terry stops when open carry was involved, but we fixed that. Now you can carry pretty much anywhere, even the non-secure portions of the airport, without being hassled. It still happens from time to time because some individual police officers don’t like it, but people have received settlements from the agencies involved, so it rarely happens any more.
 
In Nevada open carry is legal but in Reno, Sparks and Carson City expect to get interviewed by LE if theres a man with a gun call.
 
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Few people in VT notice when I open carry. Those that do will sometimes ask me polite questions about it- Why do I carry? Is that legal? What are VT's firearms laws? Would I ever use it on a human being? I've never encountered any hostility from anyone over it.

I had one encounter, sitting in a bar, where the patron next to me was talking to the group at the bar about how he was opposed to open carry, thought that concealed carry should be heavily regulated, and was terrified of handguns. He was utterly unaware that I was sitting right next to him, open carrying a J-frame on the hip facing him. We debated for a bit, the group seemed to side with my side of the argument, and all seemed to snicker a little bit that the guy never caught on that I was open carrying right in front of him.

About a month ago, a good friend and I were riding in a truck, having worked together all morning. I unsnapped my holster and removed it from my belt, to stow it in the center console. My friend did a double take- "I didn't even notice you were carrying that thing!" We'd been crawling around the front end of a jeep all morning, repairing the ball joints, in tee shirts and jeans. I was more amazed than he was that he hadn't noticed. The part of this story I'm ashamed of is the reason I removed my firearm-

We were covered in grease and dirt, dressed in jeans and tee shirts, and stopped for lunch at a convenience store. Two police cars were in the parking lot. I removed my piece because I was afraid of the police reaction to a dirty guy in a crappy pickup carrying a handgun into a convenience store.

I've always been treated courteously by the police in VT. On the one occasion I've been pulled over by the police, there was zero fuss that I was open carrying, but still… I fear the power of the state to give me, as one poster on this forum charmingly put it 'a bad hair day.' So I avoided taking the risk, and I'm ashamed of it.
 
In Phoenix it is pretty common to see open carry. I've seen 33 round Glock magazines being open carried. I don't see how that is comfortable though.
 
Strykervet said:
Pretty much all the other laws are the same. The conceal permit just adds a few things (like concealment obviously, and the car) but you also don't have to wait to buy a handgun or do the NCICS check at anymore.

While the CPL does exempt a person from the 5 day Washington state waiting period for purchasing a handgun from an FFL, it does NOT exempt a person from the NICS check.

Strykervet said:
For the most part, we can carry everywhere except "outdoor music festivals in which x number of people are in attendance"

Your definition of outdoor music festival is quite lacking. RCW defines outdoor music festival as: "(1) "Outdoor music festival" or "music festival" or "festival" means an assembly of persons gathered primarily for outdoor, live or recorded musical entertainment, where the predicted attendance is two thousand persons or more and where the duration of the program is five hours or longer: PROVIDED, That this definition shall not be applied to any regularly established permanent place of worship, stadium, athletic field, arena, auditorium, coliseum, or other similar permanently established places of assembly for assemblies which do not exceed by more than two hundred fifty people the maximum seating capacity of the structure where the assembly is held: PROVIDED, FURTHER, That this definition shall not apply to government sponsored fairs held on regularly established fairgrounds nor to assemblies required to be licensed under other laws or regulations of the state."

Strykervet said:
and "establishments where x percent of gross revenue is from alcohol sales".

Again, not what Washington state law is. Portions of establishments that are designated as 21 and over only by the liquor control board are off limits.
 
CONNEX 3300 said:
how easy it really is to open carry in public.

In Washington state, easier than it is to concealed carry. No permit/license required, just put the gun in a holster and go.

CONNEX 3300 said:
Do most of the businesses prohibit open carry and thus nullify you rights?

Nope. I have never seen a business prohibit open carry only. I have seen a couple businesses prohibit concealed carry only. The only large percentage of business that prohibit guns in Washington state at all are the shopping malls.

CONNEX 3300 said:
We have been trying to pass open carry for quite awhile. I fully support any move supporting the constitution, but I'm wondering what it will be like if we get our wish. Will businesses suddenly react by banning guns in their stores?

It hasn't happened in states where open carry is legal, why would your state be different?

CONNEX 3300 said:
Can you guys really just walk down the street almost anywhere without causing much concern?

Yep. Almost every day. 95% of people don't notice or care. 4% make positive remarks or at least curious inquires. 1% are visibly/vocally against the gun, and of that 1% 3 out of 4 that have had negative reactions have been "pro-gun" concealed carry only people.

CONNEX 3300 said:
Anybody with open carry experience is welcome to chime in with personal experience

I open carry every day. I'm sure plenty of people who have never open carried before would be happy to tell you how bad it is.
 
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It hasn't happened in states where open carry is legal, why would your state be different?

Unfortunately, logic does not always prevail with these types of things. Here in Ohio we recently had a bill passed which allows us to carry in places that serve alcohol as long as we are not drinking. Of course there was the typical media hoopla and nonsense about blood in the streets and shootouts at olive garden. As a result, a couple restaurant chains decided to post No Guns signs at their stores in Ohio, even though they don't post in the states surrounding Ohio, all of which have allowed carry at such places for years. My point is that there very well may be stores that post as a result of a new open carry law being passed. My response to that. Don't go to those stores. Concern that misguided people may not like it is certainly not reason to not support positive change. Regarding open carry in practice. Ohio is an open carry state and I do it often. Never had a problem. I've also open carried in PA,WV,IN and in CO and no negative responses were experienced. I think Navy's percentages are pretty accurate, although I've not experienced the negative responses myself, at least not from anyone I didn't know.
 
I have only been asked to leave one place, and that was a liquor store where the owner didn't know me. He asked that I not carry the gun in his place until he knew me better. I'm fine with that.

I pretty much stopped open carrying when Arizona passed Constitutional carry...it made me feel a bit self conscious. I prefer to conceal.
 
I pretty much stopped open carrying when Arizona passed Constitutional carry...it made me feel a bit self conscious. I prefer to conceal.

I don't follow. Why would a law that would make open carry more popular make you feel more self concious? Seems like more people doing it would lessen that feeling.
 
Wow thanks guys. I am going to fully support constitutional carry every chance I get regardless of any potential "backlash" that opponents worry about, because it is constitutional. Period. I don't care if it worries this advocacy group or that. I don't even care if the head of the state police is opposed to it like mine is. (Not bashing the police in any way)
I just kinda wanted to know what I might be getting myself into if we ever do get it passed. According to everything you guys have said it sounds like nothing to worry about.
I appreciate yall taking time to let me know what it is like in your part of the world. I can't wait for the day when my state laws are as good as Arizona...
 
It's fortunate that I don't carry, because here in Phoenix, it seems like a majority of the places my wife and I go don't allow firearms. Restaurants, grocery stores, hardware stores, etc. Not to mention work and school. Hell, with my schedule, the only time I'd be carrying is when I'm at home a few hours on the weekends, anyway.

IMO, don't bother trying to pass OC wherever you're at. If/when it does pass, you'll see a lot more business owners posting "No firearms allowed, per WRS [insert law code here]" signs.

Out of sight, out of mind.

To demonstrate my point, I'll get a picture of every single "No firearms allowed, per ARS
Code:
" sign that I see, for the next 7 days. Then I'll post a thread with the pics, along with the name of the business where each one was found. Stay tuned.

Also,
[QUOTE]I have never seen a business prohibit concealed carry only. I have seen a couple businesses prohibit concealed carry only.[/QUOTE]
Did I forget how to read, or what? Seems as if this says, "I have never seen a business prohibit concealed carry only. I have seen a couple businesses prohibit concealed carry only."
 
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I must have missed something. Did he say he was from Washington? If so there's nothing to pass. Open carry is already legal there.
 
Bearcreek, your post 16. I think the constitutiional carry law he's referring to removed the requirement for a CCW to conceal carry. Here in AZ you can open or conceal carry (Without a CCW) just about any place that's not legally prohibited (Government buildings, etc) or posted for no firearms.
 
Navy - you carry open in oak harbor with no issue? Burlington, Mt Vernon too? I have never seen anyone in WA open carrying....I need to pay attention!

I'm learning a lot here!

Scott
 
CO is open carry friendly except Denver (I really hate that city. it's a boil on the posterior of our state).

In more rural areas, OC is sometimes seen and doesn't cause any fuss. In more suburban or urban areas, one can expect some stink eye and possibly police contact.

I don't personally care to draw the attention to myself, but I have, on occasion, open carried just because I didn't feel like trying to cover a sidearm that I wore while hunting or camping. Never had a problem.
 
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