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I told them not worry, that I just left normal stuff laying around and made sure to lock the atomic-tipped stuff up.
Questions from my Doctor
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Cosmoline
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Refuse to answer the questions.
No reason to piss off your doctor. Some may have something nefarious in mind, but most probably just want to make sure you are being safe, and give you information about gun safety if you are not.
Simply tell the doctor that you are well versed in gun safety and prefer not to disclose what you have and how you store it. Politely.
Simply tell the doctor that you are well versed in gun safety and prefer not to disclose what you have and how you store it. Politely.
JWF III
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Anytime a doctor asks me a question not pertinent to why I'm there, they get no answer. A gun in the closet has never been known to cause a cold. They have no need to know anything not directly related to the situation.
Wyman
ETA-I just went and read through the thread (in it's entirety). I guess I'm not the only one that thinks this way.
At least not until BHO get's HIS plan passed, and all medical records are linked via computer.
Wyman
ETA-I just went and read through the thread (in it's entirety). I guess I'm not the only one that thinks this way.
At least not until BHO get's HIS plan passed, and all medical records are linked via computer.
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hank327
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Lying would be the easiest non-confrontational way out. After all, you are not under any oath and it's none of their business. Or you could just not answer the questions in any way. I've not encountered this sort of thing but I think I would be tempted to lie. That way I wouldn't raise any red flags. By refusing to answer the questions you are in effect implicating yourself as a gun owner. So I think I just might lie if this happened to me. But I would not admit to owning guns on such a form under any circumstances.
Like I said before, the questions are recommended by various medical associations, not a specific plot by your doctor or the UN. Are they antigun, yes - as they regard guns as a potential danger to a child. You may disagree and look for a global plot to remove guns, go ahead. The simpler reason may not appeal to the gun choir but that's it.
Second, despite some moronic reference to sheep and Obama - I do know for a fact, that if a physician detects a situation that might suggest abuse or danger to a child, various laws mandate report.
So you are stupid if you wander into territory that might cause that to happen because you want to bluster about the RKBA.
Say or write N/A and move on. Find another doctor, if you want.
Second, despite some moronic reference to sheep and Obama - I do know for a fact, that if a physician detects a situation that might suggest abuse or danger to a child, various laws mandate report.
So you are stupid if you wander into territory that might cause that to happen because you want to bluster about the RKBA.
Say or write N/A and move on. Find another doctor, if you want.
Shadow 7D
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Funny my Pediatrician assumed I had guns...
She asked when I would start training my son, makes me think that all is not lost, and yes she has the usual lock up your gun pamphlet courtesy of the AAP
She asked when I would start training my son, makes me think that all is not lost, and yes she has the usual lock up your gun pamphlet courtesy of the AAP
Redneck with a 40
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I'd tell him its none of you're damn business, if they don't like that, I'd leave, find another doctor. If I ever get question's like that from my doc, that's exactly what I'll tell him, none of you're damn business.
EvanWilliams
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The American Academy of Pediatrics started posting position statements etc. on this some years ago. They wanted pedi docs asking if guns were in the house etc. The doc isn't likely to tell anyone anything but what he is supposed to do is be a good stooge and tell you to lock up the guns. They make guns seem more dangerous than buckets and pools. NOT.
I remember being a 12 year old and the pediatrician asking me if I was smoking, drinking, doing drugs or having sex. Those are the only things they need to ask.
I remember being a 12 year old and the pediatrician asking me if I was smoking, drinking, doing drugs or having sex. Those are the only things they need to ask.
danez71
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More than likely its just boiler plate questions so the AMA can publish an article later.
Such as a few visits ago I was at ht eDr office to have a growth removed from the top of my head (pre cancerous luckily).
When the nurse came in she asked a few unrelated questions. One of the questions was if I had ever had a colonoscopy.
Questions like those end up being in statistical articles that say things like "34% of men over X yrs old havent had a colonoscopy" or "54% of kids live in houses with guns".
When my daughter was in grade school 10-12 yrs ago I was asked a similar question (verbally while the nurse filled out the paperwork). I answered yes.
She asked how many. I said..... uh... a couple.
She asked if the were stored in a safe or other locking device. I asked if she wanted to know the combination too?
No more questions.
That was in CA in the mid 90's when there was a lot of anti gun legislation being passed.
No, they never confiscated my guns and I stilll havent been audited by the IRS or targeted in any other way.
Such as a few visits ago I was at ht eDr office to have a growth removed from the top of my head (pre cancerous luckily).
When the nurse came in she asked a few unrelated questions. One of the questions was if I had ever had a colonoscopy.
Questions like those end up being in statistical articles that say things like "34% of men over X yrs old havent had a colonoscopy" or "54% of kids live in houses with guns".
When my daughter was in grade school 10-12 yrs ago I was asked a similar question (verbally while the nurse filled out the paperwork). I answered yes.
She asked how many. I said..... uh... a couple.
She asked if the were stored in a safe or other locking device. I asked if she wanted to know the combination too?
No more questions.
That was in CA in the mid 90's when there was a lot of anti gun legislation being passed.
No, they never confiscated my guns and I stilll havent been audited by the IRS or targeted in any other way.
longdayjake
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Most Dr. offices have little motivational posters or scenic paintings on their walls. My kids' Dr. has pictures of him and his young kids with their pheasant bounty. He also has pictures of him and his kids plowing a field on a john deere tractor all while wearing green john deere shirts.
That said, I worked in an ER for 4 years. I can tell you that a doctor's questions may vary depending on how sketchy a patient or their parents may look. Its totally profiling, but they do it anyway. You would be surprised at how many people will admit to doing drugs when all they have is a skinned knee. If you look like white trash or a gang banger you should expect to get a lot more personal questions asked than someone clean cut and wearing really nice clothes. They make the questions sound routine, but they aren't.
That said, I worked in an ER for 4 years. I can tell you that a doctor's questions may vary depending on how sketchy a patient or their parents may look. Its totally profiling, but they do it anyway. You would be surprised at how many people will admit to doing drugs when all they have is a skinned knee. If you look like white trash or a gang banger you should expect to get a lot more personal questions asked than someone clean cut and wearing really nice clothes. They make the questions sound routine, but they aren't.
Uh, duh. NEVER answer ANY questions you don't feel like answering.
The APA is rabidly anti-gun, and their members are essentially their minions in this political objective.
I would probably pack my things and leave, too. There are other doctors. Make it bad for business, when doctors become self-appointed Stasi.
BTW if it's your only option in some situatiosn, just lie. You have no obligation to tell the truth.
jglcolosprgs
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They ask other questions you know:
and our pediatrician is asking my 3 year old this stuff. So I ask - what if he says I hit him? and she says "I report it"
Then I ask - you are going to take the word of a three year old, who believes that the cat coughing up a hair ball is a magic trick, over the only other adult in the room with you?
She says - "yes"
We left immediately.
Our new doctor hasn't mentioned anything like this.
"do you wear a helmet when you ride your bike"
"do you skate board" - pads, braces, etc
"do you eat vegetables"
"do you take naps"
"are there guns in the house"
"does anyone hit or spank you"
"do you skate board" - pads, braces, etc
"do you eat vegetables"
"do you take naps"
"are there guns in the house"
"does anyone hit or spank you"
and our pediatrician is asking my 3 year old this stuff. So I ask - what if he says I hit him? and she says "I report it"
Then I ask - you are going to take the word of a three year old, who believes that the cat coughing up a hair ball is a magic trick, over the only other adult in the room with you?
She says - "yes"
We left immediately.
Our new doctor hasn't mentioned anything like this.
I'm cool with my Dr.s, but that's none of their business. So me being the wise guy I am, I'd probably ask them a ridiculous question in return.
Do you drink when your kid is present?
How about smoke?
Do you have hand sanitizer mounted at every doorway in your home?
Do you drive while other vehicles are on the road?
Do you provide your child with a 5point harness, and DOT helmet when in or a motorized vessel?
Do you protect your child from idiots, or do you spend alot of time with them?
Do you drink when your kid is present?
How about smoke?
Do you have hand sanitizer mounted at every doorway in your home?
Do you drive while other vehicles are on the road?
Do you provide your child with a 5point harness, and DOT helmet when in or a motorized vessel?
Do you protect your child from idiots, or do you spend alot of time with them?
frank einstein
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The American Academy of Pediatrics policy statement regarding the 2nd amendment states:
"Several legal reviews emphasize that the Second Amendment does not protect an individual's gun ownership. Two cases, Presser v Illinois and United States v Miller, have established the meaning of the Second Amendment. These and later federal court rulings have indicated that the "right" to bear arms is linked to the preservation of state militias and is not intended to provide for an individual's right to own a firearm. The federal government could ban whole categories of firearms, such as handguns and assault weapons."
I am a physician in NYC, and I keep a loaded Beretta next to my bed in a small keypad access gun safe, and shoot at the range weekly.
I wouldn't have a problem if a pediatrician asked me this question, but the policy statement above really ticks me off.
"Several legal reviews emphasize that the Second Amendment does not protect an individual's gun ownership. Two cases, Presser v Illinois and United States v Miller, have established the meaning of the Second Amendment. These and later federal court rulings have indicated that the "right" to bear arms is linked to the preservation of state militias and is not intended to provide for an individual's right to own a firearm. The federal government could ban whole categories of firearms, such as handguns and assault weapons."
I am a physician in NYC, and I keep a loaded Beretta next to my bed in a small keypad access gun safe, and shoot at the range weekly.
I wouldn't have a problem if a pediatrician asked me this question, but the policy statement above really ticks me off.
Flyboy
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Ask them where they graduated in their med school classes, whether they passed their boards on the first try, and--if appropriate--whether they benefited from any affirmative action programs that would have placed them ahead of a more qualified candidate. Don't employers usually ask about their prospective employees' academic records?
SSN Vet
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similar to the Dear Abby advise given previously (which I really like )
I subscribe to the Fred Flintstone school of business management.... as any statement or question directed at you can be fielded with one of the following responses (given repeatedly in random sequence)...
1. What's your angle?
2. I'll buy that!
3. Who's baby is that, anyways?
Try it with a friend and you'll be amazed at how well it works.
On the serious side, to my knowledge, our pediatricians (group practice), haven't asked any firearms related questions. (though I'm not the one who usually take them).
But they do regularly embarrass us by asking the kids.... "do you always ware a helmet when you ride you bike?".
Without any coaching, my daughters seem to know intuitively that...
1. they probably should
2. they rarely do
& 3. this is a potentially embarrassing revelation.
So they invariably look at me with an awkward expression, and ALWAYS get the same anwer.... "tell the truth"
Judging by some of the comments on this thread, I suspect that we are one of the few families left in this country who feel that lying is a sin and that consistently telling the truth is life skill that you have to practice with intention.
Why is the pediatrician asking my kid such a prying personal question? Is it a anti-bicycle conspiracy to rat out all bare headed peddlers? Or perhaps, just maybe she wants to spare us the heart ache of suffering an otherwise easily avoided, serious accidental head injury, by giving us a friendly reminder?
So after my daughter stammers her response... "well, sometimes I forget", I chime in with "we need to work on that one" and we move on to the next topic.
But if we ever do get the "guns in the house" question and my daughter puts two and two together in her head and gives me that awkward look, I'll respond by saying "what has daddy taught you about guns". Her truthfully response will satisfy the Doc and we can move on to the next embarrassing question.
Does the AMA have an anti-gun agenda? Definitely!
Does the pediatrician I take my kids to have their best interest at heart and is trustworthy? Well, if not, I'd be a fool to take them there.
Have you fulfilled you responsibility as a parent and educated your young child regarding gun safety? I hope so.
)I subscribe to the Fred Flintstone school of business management.... as any statement or question directed at you can be fielded with one of the following responses (given repeatedly in random sequence)...
1. What's your angle?
2. I'll buy that!
3. Who's baby is that, anyways?
Try it with a friend and you'll be amazed at how well it works.
On the serious side, to my knowledge, our pediatricians (group practice), haven't asked any firearms related questions. (though I'm not the one who usually take them).
But they do regularly embarrass us by asking the kids.... "do you always ware a helmet when you ride you bike?".
Without any coaching, my daughters seem to know intuitively that...
1. they probably should
2. they rarely do
& 3. this is a potentially embarrassing revelation.
So they invariably look at me with an awkward expression, and ALWAYS get the same anwer.... "tell the truth"
Judging by some of the comments on this thread, I suspect that we are one of the few families left in this country who feel that lying is a sin and that consistently telling the truth is life skill that you have to practice with intention.
Why is the pediatrician asking my kid such a prying personal question? Is it a anti-bicycle conspiracy to rat out all bare headed peddlers? Or perhaps, just maybe she wants to spare us the heart ache of suffering an otherwise easily avoided, serious accidental head injury, by giving us a friendly reminder?
So after my daughter stammers her response... "well, sometimes I forget", I chime in with "we need to work on that one" and we move on to the next topic.
But if we ever do get the "guns in the house" question and my daughter puts two and two together in her head and gives me that awkward look, I'll respond by saying "what has daddy taught you about guns". Her truthfully response will satisfy the Doc and we can move on to the next embarrassing question.
Does the AMA have an anti-gun agenda? Definitely!
Does the pediatrician I take my kids to have their best interest at heart and is trustworthy? Well, if not, I'd be a fool to take them there.
Have you fulfilled you responsibility as a parent and educated your young child regarding gun safety? I hope so.
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SSN Vet
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Looks like they need to do a "post Keller" update to their policy statement.
divemedic
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Funny, I was in for an office visit a couple of months ago, and the Doctor asked me to remove my shirt. She was examining me, and my Kimber was plainly visible in my Brommeland MaxCon V. She did not say a word. One of the advantages of living in a gun friendly state.
MADDOG
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I would not answer those questions. I do not let a doctors office make a copy of my driver's license or my social security number either. They can look at them but they may not make copies. IMHO they do not need all of that information for their records. Every year you fill out a new HIPPA card so I'll so my ID every year also.
swiftak
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I will continue to tell the Dr. thats its none of his business.
JohnnyJohnsoninWI
Once again, this is a good first post and you got lots of responses; much more than I expected.
To everyone
I understand that it is easier to "go along to get along" than to challenge the issue. That telling a lie by saying "No" is the only way to avoid suspicion that you are a gun owner.
However, I have lived long enough to see many basic expectations of privacy and choice become eroded because people did not push back when these trends started. I was frankly shocked when this question was asked of my son by the intake nurse. I told her firmly, "That is none of your business!" She said she was required to ask. I said we are not required to answer.
This is not a medical question. It is driven by a political agenda. If we don't put these people firmly in their place and make it clear they are out of line, then we can expect it to just get worse. The erosion of liberty starts with the small things. Nip it in the bud and we may avoid the big battles.
Once again, this is a good first post and you got lots of responses; much more than I expected.
To everyone
I understand that it is easier to "go along to get along" than to challenge the issue. That telling a lie by saying "No" is the only way to avoid suspicion that you are a gun owner.
However, I have lived long enough to see many basic expectations of privacy and choice become eroded because people did not push back when these trends started. I was frankly shocked when this question was asked of my son by the intake nurse. I told her firmly, "That is none of your business!" She said she was required to ask. I said we are not required to answer.
This is not a medical question. It is driven by a political agenda. If we don't put these people firmly in their place and make it clear they are out of line, then we can expect it to just get worse. The erosion of liberty starts with the small things. Nip it in the bud and we may avoid the big battles.
CoRoMo
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I'd have to answer each of those type questions with another question.
Such as:
What business is it of yours?
What difference does it make?
Why do you ask?
So what if I do?
How is that important?
What does that have to do with anything?
I just asked my wife if she's been asked these questions, and yes, she has been asked.
That makes me angry.
I wish she had the plumbs to say what I'd like to say.
Such as:
What business is it of yours?
What difference does it make?
Why do you ask?
So what if I do?
How is that important?
What does that have to do with anything?
I just asked my wife if she's been asked these questions, and yes, she has been asked.
That makes me angry.
I wish she had the plumbs to say what I'd like to say.- Status
