Guess what the doctor asked me...
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Aye club, wouldn't you consider that direct evidence for the need to ask?
Greg
edit: I guess I am not sure what you meant to say. I agree with your final statement, I just don't want to be misinterpreted that I didn't. I only said that the question should be asked if there was a need based oin direct evidence (i.e. gunshot wound, etc.)
Greg
edit: I guess I am not sure what you meant to say. I agree with your final statement, I just don't want to be misinterpreted that I didn't. I only said that the question should be asked if there was a need based oin direct evidence (i.e. gunshot wound, etc.)
XavierBreath
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Hear hear Greg, Prostate.
I am very supportive of physicians practicing medicine appropriately, but when they try to legislate my 2nd ammendment rights, I think they need to be reigned in. Rather than seeing firearms as a health care issue, I think physicians should look towards how insurance companies influence medical decision making, and as a result the quality of a patient's life or death. That is a health care issue that has been ignored for to long.
I am very supportive of physicians practicing medicine appropriately, but when they try to legislate my 2nd ammendment rights, I think they need to be reigned in. Rather than seeing firearms as a health care issue, I think physicians should look towards how insurance companies influence medical decision making, and as a result the quality of a patient's life or death. That is a health care issue that has been ignored for to long.
Brad Johnson
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Try this..
I've used the attached questionnaire on two occasions when I was asked if I owned any guns. Once was with the physician's assistant, the other was with the doctor himself. On both occasions I politely handed them the form and said that I would be glad to respond to the question when they had completely filled out the form. Both occasions drew a blank stare and a mumbled "Oh, it's not that important".
UPDATED FORM TWO POSTS BELOW - I corrected a typo I saw.
Brad
I've used the attached questionnaire on two occasions when I was asked if I owned any guns. Once was with the physician's assistant, the other was with the doctor himself. On both occasions I politely handed them the form and said that I would be glad to respond to the question when they had completely filled out the form. Both occasions drew a blank stare and a mumbled "Oh, it's not that important".
UPDATED FORM TWO POSTS BELOW - I corrected a typo I saw.
Brad
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cidirkona
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I'm printing that the next time I got to the doctor's office...
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JMag
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She's probably a card-carrying member of the AMA and the ACLU. I'd tell her you have steak knives and ice picks at home too, and they are not locked up. Then I'd tell her I don't pay her to be a gun nanny.
Common sense is sweet--in part due to it's rarity.
I wish you were in my area--you'd get my business.
The rest of you post is excellent as well, and it is easy to see that you are on target with your determination of when the topic is/is not relevant.
clubsoda22
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I was agreeing with you, greg.
bvmjethead
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Guns?
What are guns?
What are guns?
BogBabe
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I can imagine upcoming doctor's office conversations:
Doc: "Do you keep a gun in the house?"
Patient: "Do you know what a boundary violation is?"
Doc: "..." (checks "yes" in little box on clipboard)
Doc: "Do you keep a gun in the house?"
Patient: "Do you know what a boundary violation is?"
Doc: "..." (checks "yes" in little box on clipboard)
LynnMassGuy
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I would switch doctors immediatly and I would let her know why after i did. I would also inform her that since she decided to push her political agenda on me that I would in turn make sure none of my friends and aquaintances were her patients. There needs to be repercussions for people who need to stick there noses into things they obviously don't fully understand.
harpethriver
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The media coined the term "gun violence" to go along with "assault weapons", our educational system joined them in brainwashing students(lemmings), along with their parents(sheeple), and our spineless Prez(W-whom I voted for and probably will again) allows the CDC to assist in continuing the charade. Pediatricians pick up on the opportunity to do something "for the children", because, if it "just saves one life", and on it goes, ad nauseum, further proving the antis want to teach what to think but not how to think. When the facts aren't on your side confuse the uninformed by playing the "children" card, back it up with our revered medical system, and voila, the noble end result justifies the means necessary to achieve it.
When my doctor asked me about guns during an office visit awhile back, it turned out he was looking for some advice. He and his wife had just decided to get their CPLs and were looking for someone who'd been shooting awhile to talk them through the process of purchasing self defense weapons.
Course, it came up at all in a medical context, as I've been asthmatically reacting to gunsmoke and needed an up in my meds. He asked if I had any idea what had been triggering the increased difficulty, so (with some reservations) I told him.
Glad I wasn't surly about it. He's a nice guy and is turning into a friend.
pax
Course, it came up at all in a medical context, as I've been asthmatically reacting to gunsmoke and needed an up in my meds. He asked if I had any idea what had been triggering the increased difficulty, so (with some reservations) I told him.
Glad I wasn't surly about it. He's a nice guy and is turning into a friend.
pax
CAPTAIN MIKE
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...ANOTHER TAKE ON IT...
Gee Doc, what kind of home protection tools do YOU have in YOUR home?
Gee Doc, what kind of home protection tools do YOU have in YOUR home?
Public health Concerns
> a. The number of physicians in the United States is 700,000.
> b. Accidental deaths caused by physicians per year is 120,000.
> c. Accidental deaths per physician is 0.171.. (US Dept. of Health & Human
> Services)
>
> Then think about this:
>
> a. The number of gun owners in the US is 80,000,000 (yes, eighty-million!)
> b. The number of accidental gun deaths per year (all age groups) is 1,500.
> c. The number of accidental deaths per gun owner is .0000188.
>
> Statistically, doctors are about 9,000 times more dangerous than gun
owners.
>
> FACT: NOT EVERYONE HAS A GUN, BUT ALMOST EVERYONE HAS A DOCTOR.
> a. The number of physicians in the United States is 700,000.
> b. Accidental deaths caused by physicians per year is 120,000.
> c. Accidental deaths per physician is 0.171.. (US Dept. of Health & Human
> Services)
>
> Then think about this:
>
> a. The number of gun owners in the US is 80,000,000 (yes, eighty-million!)
> b. The number of accidental gun deaths per year (all age groups) is 1,500.
> c. The number of accidental deaths per gun owner is .0000188.
>
> Statistically, doctors are about 9,000 times more dangerous than gun
owners.
>
> FACT: NOT EVERYONE HAS A GUN, BUT ALMOST EVERYONE HAS A DOCTOR.
I won't even begin to try and analyze the previous post, because I find it sort of funny 
. Anything that helps the cause is OK with me, I don't take things personally. Simple things like this at least bring out a discussion regarding our right to own firearms, rather then letting Washington stonewall us with new regulations...
However, in response to the above post I think Mark Twain said it best:
There are three types of lies. Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistics.
Greg
. Anything that helps the cause is OK with me, I don't take things personally. Simple things like this at least bring out a discussion regarding our right to own firearms, rather then letting Washington stonewall us with new regulations...However, in response to the above post I think Mark Twain said it best:
There are three types of lies. Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistics.
Greg
cratz2
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The last time I went to the family general practicioner AND the last time I went to the eye doctor, they asked me the same question.
BerettaNut92
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At the optometrist, I brought up guns because I have to look out the corner of my glasses when shooting with a really locked up Weaver stance and when shooting rifle. The optometrist was curious why I was so picky about the optical quality of glasses out of the periphery.
Turns out he hunts (has a Browning BAR) and his partner co-owns a local gunstore
Turns out he hunts (has a Browning BAR) and his partner co-owns a local gunstore
Amish_Bill
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How about a totally polite, non-confrontational and potentially educational answer?
Doc-- AB, do you own any guns?
AB---- You're a gun professional too Doc?
Doc-- well, no...
AB---- In that case, would you want some lessons?
OK... so it might not work all the time... but it's a way to sidestep the questions and maintain a "helpful and friendly" conversational tone while probing deeper.
Doc-- AB, do you own any guns?
AB---- You're a gun professional too Doc?
Doc-- well, no...
AB---- In that case, would you want some lessons?
OK... so it might not work all the time... but it's a way to sidestep the questions and maintain a "helpful and friendly" conversational tone while probing deeper.
Hillman
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They can ask me all they want about the guns (or lack thereof 
), but when they try to slide the questions past my kids is where I get upset.
I was there once when the doc asked my 8 year old the 'gun' question.
Q: Are there guns in your house?
A: Yes.
Q: Are they locked up?
A: Yes.
Q: You don't touch them do you?
<and then he made me proud>
A: Only when Dad takes me shooting.
The doc looked at me kind of shocked. To which I said, "Tell her the 4 rules". Without missing a beat, he recited the 4 rules, and told her what each one meant.
To which she said, "looks like you're training him right".
), but when they try to slide the questions past my kids is where I get upset.I was there once when the doc asked my 8 year old the 'gun' question.
Q: Are there guns in your house?
A: Yes.
Q: Are they locked up?
A: Yes.
Q: You don't touch them do you?
<and then he made me proud>
A: Only when Dad takes me shooting.
The doc looked at me kind of shocked. To which I said, "Tell her the 4 rules". Without missing a beat, he recited the 4 rules, and told her what each one meant.
To which she said, "looks like you're training him right".
7.62FullMetalJacket
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Please Note: We are on a perpetual slide toward socialized medicine (tin hat on). The HMOs are prepping the field with these one-size-fits-all/agenda-driven questionnaires. The AMA has been riding this horse for a while now.
Previous posters are wise to be very wary of exactly what is in that medical record. It will follow you around. Any psych eval will revolve around this info. Future health care/insurance may be affected by how you answer now. You see how insurance rates for smokers are always higher? How about a "gun" rider on that policy? You care will be affected when you can no longer afford insurance.
It is a shame that you must lie in order to protect yourself from harrassment and future issues. I was not raised that way. "None of your business" is a fair compromise.
What happens when Hillary enacts Universal Health Care and your Doc and all medical personnel are working for the Gov. And your medical records are now part of the Imperial Federal Government bureaucracy?
A Doc is a human mechanic. We break it, they fix it. They also diagnose and prevent medical conditions. Owning a gun is not a medical condition. Neither is storing, wearing, or shooting. Like it has been said before, gun safety is MY responsibility. Asking me is a hoot, asking my kids is going to get you in trouble.
As far as the Doc feeling it is his duty to ask for my benefit, then he is only showing his lack of experience. Doc, you have been programmed to be a busy body. No offense. Just re-evaluate your position.
Remember, you are a human mechanic.
Previous posters are wise to be very wary of exactly what is in that medical record. It will follow you around. Any psych eval will revolve around this info. Future health care/insurance may be affected by how you answer now. You see how insurance rates for smokers are always higher? How about a "gun" rider on that policy? You care will be affected when you can no longer afford insurance.
It is a shame that you must lie in order to protect yourself from harrassment and future issues. I was not raised that way. "None of your business" is a fair compromise.
What happens when Hillary enacts Universal Health Care and your Doc and all medical personnel are working for the Gov. And your medical records are now part of the Imperial Federal Government bureaucracy?
A Doc is a human mechanic. We break it, they fix it. They also diagnose and prevent medical conditions. Owning a gun is not a medical condition. Neither is storing, wearing, or shooting. Like it has been said before, gun safety is MY responsibility. Asking me is a hoot, asking my kids is going to get you in trouble.
As far as the Doc feeling it is his duty to ask for my benefit, then he is only showing his lack of experience. Doc, you have been programmed to be a busy body. No offense. Just re-evaluate your position.
Remember, you are a human mechanic.
Travis McGee
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Reply: "Do you have a vibrator in your purse?"
"None of your business!"
"Neither are my guns."
"None of your business!"
"Neither are my guns."
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