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So Im looking through the 2010 Taurus catalog and come across the "Raging Judge" 454 casull, 45 colt, 410ga.

Ive owned a raging bull and found it to be a very stout, strong revolver, Im thinking could this just be a do it all revolver for hunters or backpackers?

They even increased the capacity to 6 shots from 5, Il be looking forward to getting my paws on one

Thoughts, comments...
 
IMHO-
Same gimmick as the Judge was in the first place.
Jack of all trades, master of none.

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If you need a very small but powerful wheel-gun, get the Ruger Alaskan .454, or the S&W X-frame in .460. Those can both handle .454casull and .45LC.
All the Raging Judge adds is .410. And let's face it, the guy who is loading .454 is looking for defense against something BIG. .410...not so much. The added utility of firing a .410 doesn't really add any utility at all when you think of the situations in which these guns would be useful.
 
I'm definitely going to get one.

For a few reasons:

1: I lack a firearm in .45 Long Colt.

2: I lack a firearm in .410 (which is especially pertinent since my dad has a .410 and tons of ammo for it, and he hardly ever goes to the range anymore)

3: I lack a firearm in .454 Casull.

4: When the .45LC patterns all over the place, I can blame the long cylinder.

5: When I flinch when firing it, I can claim to have been firing .454 Casull rounds.

6: If/when the .454 Casull breaks the thing, I can start another Taurus bashing thread!

:D I'm just kidding on the last 3 points there. Partially serious on the first 3. It looks like a decent weapon to me. I'd probably get the long barrel one and use it to torture test new optic designs.
 
I'm curious what the price will be. I have several .45 and .454 guns.

If you need a very small but powerful wheel-gun, get the Ruger Alaskan .454, or the S&W X-frame in .460. Those can both handle .454casull and .45LC.
All the Raging Judge adds is .410. And let's face it, the guy who is loading .454 is looking for defense against something BIG. .410...not so much. The added utility of firing a .410 doesn't really add any utility at all when you think of the situations in which these guns would be useful.
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I have the Alaskan. I've fired the .460 X-Frame. I think the Raging Judge idea has utility. More utility than the standard Judge.

The lack of lunch is a more certain threat than any grizzly. Even if your biggest single concern is large predators, you can still have good reason to shoot rabbits, squirrels, snakes, and similar.
 
The .410 in a judge is worthless for hunting. There's no choke and the spin of the rifling insures no pattern past 20 feet or so. My .410/45 colt barreled contender, OTOH, has a full choke that screws on and it also has straight grooves to stop the shot cup rotation as it passes through. It will actually take things out to a full 25 yards. I've shot birds on the wing, a rabbit last year at about 17 yards paced out on the run, and even done some clays shooting, though I didn't eat 'em for lunch. For back woods survival, it trumps the judge IMHO and I can always carry my .30-30 scoped barrel or my .22LR match barrel along in the pack. :D

That .45/.410 is a fun gun to goof off with, but seriously, for a survival gun, I'll want a long gun, preferably a shotgun along. I have a 20" Spartan 20 gauge SxS that's perfect for that, open choke in the slug barrel, modified in the shot barrel, you have a combination gun for big game to small. You could get the same gun in 12 gauge if you wanted more umph in the slugs. It's really my dove gun, but it's sort of a multi-task gun, home defense, doves, survival, whatever.

I see the judge at its best as an apartment self defense gun loaded with buckshot loads. I never saw it as anything I'd want in an outdoor gun. The .410 is just pretty much worthless in the field and the excessive free bore limits, somewhat, accuracy, though my Contender barrel shoots about 8 MOA, 2" 25 yards, which ain't too bad, really. But, my Blackhawk is a whole lot better, twice as accurate, and it's a smaller, lighter gun.
 
Geneseo1911 said:
I'm dying to see this thing, but the Taurus website is slower than....well actually I can't think of anything; I think it just became the new standard of slowness.
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I noticed that too, what is up w/ the Taurus web page.

Anyway Im thinking at the very least the Ragin Judge is a 6 shot vs 5 for the Ragin Bull. If it can handle 454 then it will handle hotted up 45LC. I doubt I would shoot much 410 out of it, but its more of an "I can if I wanna" proposition.

MB I could put some hot sauce in a hollowpoint seal it up w/ wax and call it a "Ragin Cajun" ;-)
 
I have no use for this gun but that doesn't prevent me from thinking it would be a hell of a lot of fun. Luckily there are like 50 guns higher up on my wish list.
 
The old RB .454 was 5 shots; this one is now SEVEN rounds according that video?

Is that a good idea for a 65K PSI round? :eek: I'd be very skeptical going from 5 to 6 even. There is NOT a lot of meat between the cylinders there - if you pause the video on youtube, you can count 7 on the large RB. You go first! Shake, rattle, and roll I'd imagine, after a few full house rounds.

That'd be my concern, assuming there IS some utility, which is a bit IF.

I'm pleased with my non-Judge 5-shot .454 Taurus RB 4". Can't see going in for any of those, except maybe the ultralight just for .410 snake gun, but even then - meh.
 
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Pray that for some reason .460 doesn't fit. If it does, that'll be one BIG kaboom
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Case length .460: 1.80"

Case length .410 3": Approx. 2.75" before opening

So yeah, it will fit. But I'm not so sure it's much MORE likely to blow up than a standard .454 Casull round - same pressure psec (65K PSI), just a longer chamber - but same chamber dimensions inside and out all the way down the (albeit longer) cylinder.

I ain't saying that a full house .454 casull WON'T blow it up. Just saying that a .460 round wouldn't *increase* the likelihood all that much, seems to me. I wouldn't shoot either one of them in that 7-shot revolver. Yeah, steel alloys and heat treatments have advanced, but I ain't trusting Argentinian heat treatment expertise THAT much!
 
Holy hell. 7-shot .454 Casull revolver? That's completely uncharted territory. I really hope (for both Taurus' and their buyers' sakes) that they're using some kind of super-alloy for those cylinders...
 
Case length .460: 1.80"

Case length .410 3": Approx. 2.75" before opening

So yeah, it will fit. But I'm not so sure it's much MORE likely to blow up than a standard .454 Casull round - same pressure psec (65K PSI), just a longer chamber - but same chamber dimensions inside and out all the way down the (albeit longer) cylinder.

I ain't saying that a full house .454 casull WON'T blow it up. Just saying that a .460 round wouldn't *increase* the likelihood all that much, seems to me. I wouldn't shoot either one of them in that 7-shot revolver. Yeah, steel alloys and heat treatments have advanced, but I ain't trusting Argentinian heat treatment expertise THAT much!
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So based on these numbers, the S&W .460 would fit in a standard judge as well!!! :what::what::what::what::what:
Fire in the hole!!!!!!
 
the guy in the video contradicts whats in Taurus's catalog. The ultra lite Judge was a 7 shot 45LC/410ga not a 454. The 454 version is an all steel 6 shot, unless I missed something in the catalog.

Interesting observation about the 460 being able to fit in the cylinders. Hmmm if thats true are we now up to 4 different rounds that can be shot out of that gun.

Either way I dont see much use for any more power that a 454 out a handgun so I wouldnt even try shooting a 460, but no worries some brave or stupid soul out there will jam em in the gun and give it a try

I think I want one, but I wanna see how much 1st
 
I'm nearly certain that the 460 S&W will not fit the cylinder unless they want it to. A 454 Casull will not fit a regular Judge. There's a lip in the cylinder just past the end of the 45 Colt brass reducing the cylinder diameter to bullet diameter (about .452). You can't fit 460 brass in a 452 hole.
 
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