Rapid fire

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Jack Ryan said:
You don't go from ten shots in ten minutes to ten shots in 5 seconds on the first day.

I don't think I need a "chart" or a book to analyze those targets. You are practicing MISSING. Stop practicing MISSING and start practicing HITTING on target, what you are aiming for or WANT to hit. The more you practice what you want to be good at, the better you'll be and the faster it will happen. Just don't miss, every time you miss, you just practiced missing.
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I'm sorry, but this is just terrible advice for people learning to actually shoot fast. There is no way to learn how the gun moves in recoil during rapid fire, how to control it, how to track the sights, etc., without pushing beyond current capabilities.

Now if, like the OP, you reach a point where you are exceeding your capabilities and are not seeing any growth in capabilities, then it's time to take a step back and figure out what specifically might improve outcomes.

But to quote a high national-level USPSA competitor and instructor: "You can't learn to pop a wheelie without skinning some knees."
 
If the OP is putting all his/her shots in a 3" circle at 30yds. there is no need to adjust the sights. I am an instructor and I have never seen that accuracy from anybody on our range.
Others have given good advice. When I find myself going lo left during a somewhat rapid fire string is is usually from me clenching my fingers around the grip causing low hits.
The best advice I have ever heard, "learn to shoot fast slowly"
 
Jack Ryan said:
You don't go from ten shots in ten minutes to ten shots in 5 seconds on the first day.

I don't think I need a "chart" or a book to analyze those targets. You are practicing MISSING. Stop practicing MISSING and start practicing HITTING on target, what you are aiming for or WANT to hit. The more you practice what you want to be good at, the better you'll be and the faster it will happen. Just don't miss, every time you miss, you just practiced missing.
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That’s why earlier I suggested slowly increasing speed.
I had a Karate instructor who made us go slow and get technique down for an annoyingly long time. But it helped us get fast as when we increased speed we used that to keep working on technique. I moved and the new instructor was obsessed with going fast. His students sucked as they had bad technique that they did fast.

So yea muscle memory is important. And the only way to get it is to train properly.

Learn good technique
Increase speed as your technique is “perfect”
Back off a bit until you find the point that you’re still “perfect” but faster than your slow base.

It takes time but it works not only for martial arts but for shooting (which is also a martial art not just one we recognize) and any other skill that requires speed and muscle memory.
 
Thank you all for the great advice, when I'm shooting longer range I'm taking my time and aiming, a shot every 10 seconds or so, I take the time to reset my grip and stance, cannot do that while fast firing, this is the reason I'm trying to work on that, I also hope it will help with my longer distance shooting which is what I really enjoy
 
Stew0576 said:
I take the time to reset my grip and stance
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This comment is VERY revealing. If the gun is moving AT ALL in your hand such that you have ANY need to adjust or reset your grip between shots, your grip is literally failing you.

Now I know for sure that what I suggested as the most likely option and remedy above is correct. You have grip issues. That’s causing the gun to move in your grip, and that more or less compels you to actively push the gun around to get it back from recoil.

Solve the grip issues and shooting rapidly will become vastly easier, and you won’t ever need to “reset” the grip until you reload.
 
I'm just looking at your target quickly and have two conclusions. First, you need slightly more trigger finger on the trigger, assuming you're right-handed. You're pushing the pistol to the left with the trigger squeeze.
Secondly, you need to do a lot of dry fire and ball & dummy drills because you're anticipating recoil and diving the muzzle down as the trigger breaks.
Video of you shooting would tell the tale, but those are my hunches based solely on the target.
 
ATLDave said:
This comment is VERY revealing. If the gun is moving AT ALL in your hand such that you have ANY need to adjust or reset your grip between shots, your grip is literally failing you.

Now I know for sure that what I suggested as the most likely option and remedy above is correct. You have grip issues. That’s causing the gun to move in your grip, and that more or less compels you to actively push the gun around to get it back from recoil.

Solve the grip issues and shooting rapidly will become vastly easier, and you won’t ever need to “reset” the grip until you reload.
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Two different shooting disciplines...two different grips. In Bullseye if you grip to hard you induce tremors, which increase group size, so readjusting your grip is no big deal. Going high speed/low drag a moving gun causes issues.
 
GE-Mini-Gun said:
Two different shooting disciplines...two different grips. In Bullseye if you grip to hard you induce tremors, which increase group size, so readjusting your grip is no big deal. Going high speed/low drag a moving gun causes issues.
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Fair point. But since the thread is about rapid fire, and doesn't involve bullseye targets or any other indication that the OP is doing that style of shooting, I assumed that we're talking about modern shooting approaches/disciplines.
 
Sounds like what works for my long distance shooting needs to be changed when I do rapid fire, I will work on slowly increasing my speed, I didn't realize the 2 would be different
 
Stew0576 said:
I'm still struggling with rapid fire, I'm deadly out to 30 yards with my 9mm (can put them all in a 3 inch bullseye) slow fire but rapid fire is another thing, the following picks are from 7 yards

30 rounds
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90 rounds
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150 rounds
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Really frustrating
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Is there a reason you want to shoot fast? Competition or just for the heck of it?

I've always felt that the most important shot is the very first one. Done properly with an effective caliber, anything after the first one doesn't matter. Besides, I think you did a pretty credible job on that target!

35W
 
35 Whelen said:
Is there a reason you want to shoot fast? Competition or just for the heck of it?
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Just want to be a well rounded shooter, always looking to improve my skills, I agree that the first shot is the most important but in a defense situation you need to respond fast and I figure getting good at fast fire would help with that, honestly prefer long shooting so that had been my primary skill I've been working on
 
Stew0576 said:
Sounds like what works for my long distance shooting needs to be changed when I do rapid fire, I will work on slowly increasing my speed, I didn't realize the 2 would be different
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I suggest you take atldave's advise and fix your grip, first. find one that will allow the gun to return from recoil to the original sight picture. then use this grip for all shooting speeds.

luck,

murf
 
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