Remember the brouhaha about new merchant codes for firearms purchases?

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There are all kinds of indoctrinations.
I've probably seen most of them.
Along the way, I've attended:
  • Two universities,
  • Five community colleges.
  • Three night schools,
  • Three high schools,
  • Five middle schools, and
  • Around 16 elementary schools (I've lost count).
I have been pressured and silenced in just about every way that a child and young man can be by teachers and administrators, from being beaten with a rubber hose to having gangs of kids sicced on me while the teacher watched.

I've come by my skepticism about the goodness and mercy of those that are in power honestly.
That's why I'm leery about letting those that are in positions of power have any information that they can use to gain even more power... .
 
I have been willing to trade my phone number at the local grocery store for a discount on my bill, and yes I know they track the orange juice! Do I care? No, because it’s food and the store stocks the food they can sell, and my participation in their game allows them to see what I, as a consumer take from their inventory. It is a trade, information on my spending habits as a regular customer for a cheaper grocery bill. The thing is, nobody is trying to make the orange juice illegal. There is a solid chunk of our government that are trying to restrict and remove arms from the people, and a third of the citizens don’t understand the harm in it. The merchant codes allow the private money lenders to see what purchases are made with ever increasing detail, and government has multiple ways to monitor that information. The point is, our government can, at any time, dig into our private life and we really can’t stop it. But we can restrict parts of it. If you don’t care, buy your guns and ammo with a credit card. If you do care, use cash. But you can be sure that eventually the pieces will all come together on a government list, and some number cruncher that thinks they are doing the right thing will ask “why is this person buying 9mm ammo online when we don’t have a record of their firearm?”
 
It’s not just the Government that has access to your information.

You will be amazed at what information is on commercial information sites like Lexis Nexis, Westlaw and others. Those are subscription sites used by all sorts of people and industries to find out stuff about folks.

If you think you are hiding off the grid, these places will have all sorts of stuff about you for sale to whoever wants to pay for it. :(

Stay safe.
 
dogtown tom said:
Well of course location matters....but that wasn't what you wrote was it?;)
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I wrote "Education is now indoctrination." Note the word "now". You replied with your experience from 1963-1975, hardly "now" given that your end date is almost 50 years ago, and IAC certainly more traditional than other areas of the country.
 
old lady new shooter said:
I wrote "Education is now indoctrination." Note the word "now". You replied with your experience from 1963-1975, hardly "now" given that your end date is almost 50 years ago, and IAC certainly more traditional than other areas of the country.
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Well, horsehockey.:rofl:
"My end date" wasn't 50 years ago. o_O and the only way you could come to such a conclusion is you just chose to ignore my experiences in the last forty odd years.

I last stepped foot in a classroom on Friday. I'll be back in several on Monday. Education "now", right freaking now is my job. Note the word "now". I'll have more experience in an actual classroom this month than you've had in decades.

Your comment is ignorant now, it was ignorant ten years ago and certainly was fifty years ago.
 
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The poison in this obscene creation of limitless rules is who defines "suspicious, large, or unusual" purchases? The Government of course. The many THR responses to this post reflects justified distrust. We have witnessed phenomenal growth of government lies in the last few years. All for "the greater good", they say. Allowing government officials a blank slate on which to scribe new rules requires believing that government officials are honest. Many, perhaps most of us, who follow THC would automatically fall in the category of suspicious because we buy new guns often and order ammo, sometimes in bulk, by mail and pay with a credit card. How much would you like to bet that we would not end up on a "suspicious" list? My gun club has groups of guys who make group purchases of several cases of ammo....with a credit card. Suspicious? The government is going to surveil such groups. I spend a fair amount of time on THR and other sites....(I'm old and it's cold outside and TV is boring)....Suspicious? This proposal stinks like a dead skunk under an outhouse. Don't be fooled into thinking that the government has your rights in mind.
 
When it was getting clear that there was a good chance measure 114 would pass in Oregon,I decided to purchase a 9mm DW guardian from Grab a Gun as my last firearm purchase. It was instantly rejected by Visa. When I called Visa the next day to find out why,I was told it was flagged as a fraudulent purchase and had to be quite firm with CS agent to proceed with the sale. I have never had this happen on any online purchase with CC before or since. I should have taken it as an omen as the Guardian is now back at CZ USA for major warranty work....I should have purchased a $400 Turkish one!
 
JohnB-40 said:
When it was getting clear that there was a good chance measure 114 would pass in Oregon,I decided to purchase a 9mm DW guardian from Grab a Gun as my last firearm purchase. It was instantly rejected by Visa. When I called Visa the next day to find out why,I was told it was flagged as a fraudulent purchase and had to be quite firm with CS agent to proceed with the sale. I have never had this happen on any online purchase with CC before or since. I should have taken it as an omen as the Guardian is now back at CZ USA for major warranty work....I should have purchased a $400 Turkish one!
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Visa or the bank that issued your Visa card?

Chase has stopped fraudulent charge attempts on my Visa card at least five times in the last decade. They have also texted me an alert "is this you making this purchase?" several times.
 
Apparently I’m not smart enough to follow what is actually going on. Lol
I Guess it needs to be explained to me like I’m someone who wears a mask while driving alone.
I will say if the federal government is involved with firearm sales information in any way, then I start at uneasy and skeptical of the intentions.

I’ll also say it is hard for me to get to worked up over something I can avoid by not using my CC…. IF that’s all that’s happening.
 
I have recently gone to cash only purchases/sales on anything gun/target/sporting related including dues at my clubs, purchases at the trap club, and only do f-t-f deals.
 
Guns and Gadgets now reports receiving a report from an FFL of a sale being denied because the bank doesn't process transactions "at this type of merchant". The bank was contacted and said the issue was using a debit card as a credit card, but here is what the FFL and the customer saw on their respective devices:

The FFL's device:
G&G reports charge declined - from FFL POV.png

The customer's device:
G&G reports charge declined - from customer POV.png

Here is the link to the G&G video:
 
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I sometimes feel like I have slipped through to an alternate reality. We just watched the free world countries including the US lock down and wipe out 4-5 human rights over a virus that even if you get it is 3x less likely to end your life than just being fat. And there is thread after thread of worries over small fry stuff like the OP's topic. It brings the saying ignoring the elephant in the room to a new level.

Fellas the test came and went and we failed. They wont even bother hard targeting guns now because they know now gunowners wont use them. The day comes they say get up on the truck or wait inside for instructions, we will fall in line.
 
I keep a maximum of three months worth of cash to cover my bills in the bank.
No more than that.
Banks have decided that they can just confiscate any cash that they hold if they decide that you are a bad person.
They just did that to BitChute.

So, guns today, air conditioners tomorrow, lawn mowers the day after... .
 
N555 said:
Back door registry, denial of service or just compiling names on a list that will be used for god only knows what.

Likely scenarios:
Mass shooting happens and credit card companies pressured to "do something" so they decline sales to gun shops.
Gun grabbers would love this.
Credit card companies compile sales data. Some one makes a list of gun buyers, the list gets stolen or leaked not that the how matters and now your name and where you live is published to the Internet as a "gun buyer".
Gun grabbers would really love this.
There's no way anything good comes from this.
Crazy people and criminals intent on shooting up people are just going use cash or trade other things for stolen guns or steal them for themselves.
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That didnt take long. I figured they would wait for at least one mass shooting before rolling it out. If they were smart they would wait till a gun and ammo buying panic to cut people off.
 
DoubleMag said:
Well, there goes the ''I don't see a problem'' argument:cool:
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I knew that "I told you so" wouldn't take long.
Just like all the people running flack for UPS, saying there's no proof! More and more evidence came out and more and more it was like arguing with a 3 year old.
Actually it looks like a lot of the same people on both issue, on the same sides.
The "conspiracy theorists" are almost always right and the "I don't see a problem people" are usually always wrong.
 
N555 said:
I knew that "I told you so" wouldn't take long.
Just like all the people running flack for UPS, saying there's no proof! More and more evidence came out and more and more it was like arguing with a 3 year old.
Actually it looks like a lot of the same people on both issue, on the same sides.
The "conspiracy theorists" are almost always right and the "I don't see a problem people" are usually always wrong.
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Several memes circulating along the lines of "They called Noah a conspiracy theorist. Then it started to rain."
 
RetiredUSNChief said:
...There are any number of historical examples which can be cited to illustrate how deadly government, and those within the government, can be.
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It's not registration. It's merely private companies keeping records on your types of purchase for merchandising purposes.

Which can be accessed by subpoena authorized by a compliant judge.

Which therefore automatically becomes a registry in fact, but one which is not created or maintained by the government.

Loophole! And what if this data is hacked by foreign agents?

Per RetiredUSNChief's remark above, note in the following link how many items in the last column ("Features of Over-all 'Gun Control' scheme") contain "Registration" or "Licensing" or "Permits" or the like.

https://jpfo.org/filegen-a-m/deathgc.htm#chart

Also note how many in column three ("Targets") contain the words "Political Opponents". Also notice the mention of "religion, " "rural" folks, "critics," and other specific groups.

Suuuuuure, "merchandising."

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