Remember the brouhaha about new merchant codes for firearms purchases?

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Looks like you were wrong.


Her post and video wasn’t proof of anything. The man even stated the bank’s response. I’ve got CC’s that will deny if swiped instead of using the chip, no matter the location. I’ve got some that will deny, then shut, off after multiple purchases at the same location. it is what it is.

Did you get an itemized receipt from your CC/Bank? I’ll wait
 
It's not registration. It's merely private companies keeping records on your types of purchase for merchandising purposes.

Which can be accessed by subpoena authorized by a compliant judge.

Which therefore automatically becomes a registry in fact, but one which is not created or maintained by the government.

Loophole! And what if this data is hacked by foreign agents?

Per RetiredUSNChief's remark above, note in the following link how many items in the last column ("Features of Over-all 'Gun Control' scheme") contain "Registration" or "Licensing" or "Permits" or the like.

https://jpfo.org/filegen-a-m/deathgc.htm#chart

Also note how many in column three ("Targets") contain the words "Political Opponents". Also notice the mention of "religion, " "rural" folks, "critics," and other specific groups.

Suuuuuure, "merchandising."

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Terry, 230RN

Yeah...just as it's not a First Amendment infringement when private companies are pressured by government to censure people on their social media platforms.

You and I are going to have to agree to disagree on this. When the government is seeking to mandate private companies keep such records, it IS a form of registration. And not only that, the government has historically proven time and again that it cannot be trusted to follow both the letter of the laws and the spirit of the laws with respect to gathering information and acting on it.

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

Pretty frickin' clear, right?

And yet Civil Asset Forfeiture exists.

And yet we have powerful government agencies like the FBI conducting a raid on a Beverly Hills safe deposit box business with a warrant they intentionally mislead a judge about with respect to the scope of their warrant...and permanently seized the contents of every box containing at least $5,000 in cash or goods

And yet, even though the government "cannot" spy/collect information on its own citizens without warrants, they freely engage foreign spy agencies to collect and turn over such information because there is no law against THAT.

And yet, we have The Patriot Act, which allows the government to look at records of an individual's activities being held by third parties (read: private businesses and the like), increases the authority of the government to search private property without notice to the owner, allows for the collection of addressing information about the origin and destination of communications (as opposed to the content), expands a narrow exception to the Fourth Amendment which had been created for the collection of foreign intelligence information (read: foreign spy agencies of friendly nations).

And yet, we have the Utah Data Center, sitting there quietly collecting exabytes of information from literally all forms of electronic communications, with storage capacity increasing by orders of magnitude over time as technology in this area is constantly improving.

The "and yet" list goes on and on.


This means that this data collection issue IS, defacto, a registration.


The only thing that's really pretty frickin' clear is that the government is actively circumventing or outright ignoring the constitutional protections we're TOLD we have IN WRITING under the Fourth Amendment.
 
Her post and video wasn’t proof of anything. The man even stated the bank’s response. I’ve got CC’s that will deny if swiped instead of using the chip, no matter the location. I’ve got some that will deny, then shut, off after multiple purchases at the same location. it is what it is.

Did you get an itemized receipt from your CC/Bank? I’ll wait
I don't plan on finding out.
Plus anymore, I just make my own.
 
Reference my remark about it NOT being registration:

You and I are going to have to agree to disagree on this. When the government is seeking to mandate private companies keep such records, it IS a form of registration.


Actually when I emphasized "not," I was trying to speak with the voice of a supporter of CC firearms purchase codes. This, as an underline to what they were sayimg. Poor choice of literary devices on my part.

My very next paragraph launched into why it was.

Terry
 
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This forum is littered with the bodies of boiled frogs. How did this happen? Worst part, I fear it’s too late to get out of the pan.

As I see it, it's just a question of having enough other life activities and kids to worry about, so that exquisite details of what's going on rarely hit the frontal cortex.

I myself was that way until I retired 12 years ago and had time to think beyond simply "NFA and GCA are inherently unconstitutional" and started to analyze and observe the gradual, but deliberate and single-minded corrosion of our rights and the purpose behind it.

So it is for most of us. In a manner of speaking, all we really want is to sit on the back porch and pop tin cans off the fence with a .22. But the opposition doesn't see it that way. They actually understand fully the reason and intent behind the Second Amendment... more so than some of us.

And they don't like that reason and intent.

Terry, 230RN
 
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The US government is planning to roll out a new official digital currency in June of next year.
After that, anything financial that involves the government will probably be done digitally.
Not having a card or device may not be an option... .
Funny you bring that up. :)

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2022/12...he-fed-moves-toward-monetary-totalitarianism/

Even if they could never hit anything with their Mini 14's, Hannibal would sure be proud of how the plan is coming together. :p
 
Funny you bring that up. :)

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2022/12...he-fed-moves-toward-monetary-totalitarianism/

Even if they could never hit anything with their Mini 14's, Hannibal would sure be proud of how the plan is coming together. :p

They might start trying to roll out digital currency next year but they are not going to force everyone to use it for everything 7 months from now.

You need 223 handloads with approximately a start load of H322 or about a max load of RE7 for those mini14s, then they shoot real good.
 
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All one has to do to avoid “registration” is not use a CC, then it’s not registering anything.

Sorry, but this particular case seems like a nothing bomb to me.

If you ONLY consider "this particular case", then sure. I'd agree with you.

But it's NOT. This is only a tiny piece of the overall puzzle with respect to information gathering by the government.

And cash shound great...until you realize that a long term goal of the government is to move to a cashless society. In a cashless society, EVERYTHING can be tracked.

Kinda changes the perspective then, doesn't it?
 
Reference my remark about it NOT being registration:




Actually when I emphasized "not," I was trying to speak with the voice of a supporter of CC firearms purchase codes. This, as an underline to what they were sayimg. Poor choice of literary devices on my part.

My very next paragraph launched into why it was.

Terry

Gotcha!
 
It's not registration. It's merely private companies keeping records on your types of purchase for merchandising purposes.

Which can be accessed by subpoena authorized by a compliant judge.

Which therefore automatically becomes a registry in fact, but one which is not created or maintained by the government.

Loophole! And what if this data is hacked by foreign agents?

Per RetiredUSNChief's remark above, note in the following link how many items in the last column ("Features of Over-all 'Gun Control' scheme") contain "Registration" or "Licensing" or "Permits" or the like.

https://jpfo.org/filegen-a-m/deathgc.htm#chart

Also note how many in column three ("Targets") contain the words "Political Opponents". Also notice the mention of "religion, " "rural" folks, "critics," and other specific groups.

Suuuuuure, "merchandising."

FOR SALE
CLASSIC INCOME-PRODUCING
BRIDGE IN BROOKLYN
Call for listing price

Terry, 230RN
That chart is outstanding. Can't believe I'm a member of JPFO and somehow never saw it before. Anyway, thanks very much for posting.
 
So if we go to digital currency, what's the equivalent to "speeding up the printing presses" to "create" more money and how would they handle the National Debt?
 
That chart is outstanding. Can't believe I'm a member of JPFO and somehow never saw it before. Anyway, thanks very much for posting.


It's been a featured page for years, and appears in the left column as "The JPFO Genocide Chart" at <jpfo dot org>. I've been getting their e-mail alerts for a loooooong time, and if I recall after all these years, hitting that on a search for genocide pulled that up and "sold" me. And heck, as they say, "You don't have to be Jewish to be a member."

I don't know the ethics of "recommending" another firearms site here on THR, but if there's a problem with it, I'm sure our watchdogs will let me know toot sweet.

Terry, "Not Jewish but I was the 1% goy in a 99% Jewish neighborhood as a kid," 230RN

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"JPFO" stands for "Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership."
 
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Very strong 2A supporter but also able to actually read what it says.

Sorry but nothing in the issue of collecting data on commodities infringes in anyway on the 2A.
Correct.

The rights enshrined in the Second Amendment concern solely the relationship between government and those governed, not between or among private individuals or private entities, such as private commercial resellers.

And the notion that this policy is a prelude to ‘gun registration’ fails as a slippery slope fallacy.
 
I don't know the ethics of "recommending" another firearms site here on THR
JPFO is in the category of SAF, GOA et al, i.e. it's an organization working to protect our Second Amendment rights, not a discussion forum. We certainly encourage members to support the organizations who work to protect our Second Amendment rights. :)
 
The rights enshrined in the Second Amendment concern solely the relationship between government and those governed, not between or among private individuals or private entities, such as private commercial resellers.
The problem lately has been private companies doing favors for the government and allowing the government to flat tell them what to do.

It is quite literally the privatization of tyranny.

I believe this exact issue started with a letter from several senators to several banks. Sure the banks voluntarily complied but did they do so because the feared retaliation? More regulation? Something swept under the rug for them?…..
This is bad road to go down, but to be fair I have no idea what could be done about it.
 
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