Remington’s Ilion Plant Will Return to Production March 1st

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March 1 is the target date; whether or not they'll make that date remains to be seen.
 
it is necessary for the new owners to show a goof faith effort. However, once the effort is made, and fails, an argument could be proven that would allow the move to greener pastures. One must know the rules and play the game, by the rules, step by step. If the state of NY or the unions will not allow, gone down the road in a flash. Big money game for serious folks.
 
Howdy

I went to college not far from Ilion way back 1968-1972.

About 20 years ago or so I was in the neighborhood and took a tour of the factory.

This was quite a while before Marlin production was moved to the Ilion factory.

That area was economically depressed even when I was in college.

When I visited the factory back 20 years ago things had not improved markedly, I could still see plenty of signs of unemployment.

I wish the new owners and the workers well, the area could probably still use the jobs, probably even more so now.
 
Best news I've heard in a while. Remington was once one of the greatest of American companies. Hopefully it can be again.
 
Shotgunworld has a few threads about this. Most folks there, while wishing for success, are not that optimistic given D'Italia's trackrecord with his paintball company he BK'd and left in tatters.
https://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=527474
https://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=521572

There is no question about it, Remington is long gone. Remington wasn't just sold, it went bankrupt with no buyer interested anywhere. It was then busted into many bits and liquidated at auction. Apparently few care about the majority of Remington employees, that were not living in New York at all . . . but Kentucky, Utah, Arkansas, Missouri, South Dakota, Alabama, etc. Who isn't wishing them well, for all the good anonymous internet lip-service can provide?
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Why in the world would you start a new company making a gun that had no patent protection whatsoever with low margins in a high labor cost, high tax state especially when the used market is flooded with the same gun? I’m a former business man and I would hate to try to sell this to my banker with a straight face


Now you know why CZ, Ruger, Mossberg, S&W, Beretta, FN, and everyone else with successful expertise in the industry ran away at lightning speed from Ilion.

Soon after the "Roundhill" acquisition of RemArms, Richmond Italia's G.I. Sports screwed their suppliers to the tune of $29 million dollars. G.I. Sportz racked up more than $45 million of losses since the end of 2018.

Italia tried to bust up the union, using a "improper and most likely unlawful" rehire letter that changed employment terms to employment at will. This is the same Rich Italia that fecklessly claimed Remington would reopen in a matter of weeks back in October.

The sloppy RemArms website is bizarre. No pricing, no warranty, no customer service, featuring listings for mythical firearms that failed twice and will not be made again, like the R51. https://www.remarms.com/handguns/reming ... ington-r51

No engineering staff, no dealers, no orders, no customer service, and a defective website bursting with vaporware. It is impressive.
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George P said:
Shotgunworld has a few threads about this. Most folks there, while wishing for success, are not that optimistic given D'Italia's trackrecord with his paintball company he BK'd and left in tatters.
https://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=527474
https://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=521572
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I refer to the post that you quoted and recognize that these are statements by others, not by you.

D’Italia et al picked up the Remington firearms business for $13 million. That’s an awful lot of IP and brand goodwill for not much money.

“Patent protection” on a pump shotgun? Not sure what this chap is thinking. The Remington brand still carries considerable value and only RemArms can make a Remington 870 or a Remington Model 700. Anybody can and could make a copy of those firearms last year, or ten years ago, and many people do. But none of them will Remingtons.

No defending D’Italia or D’Arcy, neither of whom I know and both of whose pasts are not confidence instilling, but the patent protection concern is silly. How far in hock Roundhill is may be an issue but RemArms comes out of bankruptcy and auction without debt, so the idea that profit cannot be made selling well regarded prooven firearms with enormous global brand recognition is absurd.

Roundhill can certainly mess this up, but the reasons listed in the posts quoted aren’t why. Greed, over-leverage, incompetence, poor quality control, poor distribution are all ways they can screw the pooch. Let’s hope they don’t.
 
mcb said:
But it seems the new owners and the Union are not communicating very well.

https://romesentinel.com/stories/union-for-remington-arms-workers-denies-strike-rumors,110033

This does not bode well for the restart if the executive management can't figure out how to deal with and communicate with the union. But then again they are not very good leadership if you look at the previous companies they have run...
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I would ditch NY and the union so fast that there would be tornado warnings given. I would tell them, we have jobs, you can work with a good attitude or stand in line at the shelter. Which is it going to be. Nothing is owed to the union or anyone else after the bankruptcy so if it were me, I would not even speak to the union. I would put out a we are hiring sign and send the union packing.
 
3Crows said:
I would ditch NY and the union so fast that there would be tornado warnings given. I would tell them, we have jobs, you can work with a good attitude or stand in line at the shelter. Which is it going to be. Nothing is owed to the union or anyone else after the bankruptcy so if it were me, I would not even speak to the union. I would put out a we are hiring sign and send the union packing.
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I agree but somehow (I am not a lawyer) the union was written into the deal with who ever bought the Ilion plant. I don't believe any of the other Remington facilities were union. I know Huntsville was not. So Roundhill/RemArms is stuck with the union as far as I can tell.
 
3Crows said:
I would ditch NY and the union so fast that there would be tornado warnings given. I would tell them, we have jobs, you can work with a good attitude or stand in line at the shelter. Which is it going to be. Nothing is owed to the union or anyone else after the bankruptcy so if it were me, I would not even speak to the union. I would put out a we are hiring sign and send the union packing.
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Not in NY you won't; NOT a right to work state
 
George P said:
Not in NY you won't; NOT a right to work state
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Then I would leave to a right to work state, like Texas. It is still a free country. Sometimes it is best to start over in fresh, fertile soil than plow a rocky and worn out dirt patch.

Sell off whatever, take the CNC coding and IP and haul axx. And there is no such thing as an ironclad contract. That is what lawyers are for, to figure out a way out. No way to start fresh hauling the baggage of a bunch of disgruntled and entitled people. Those Remingtons everyone has been bashing on for years now were built by those people. The holes drilled through the receivers on 700s, the crappy wood fit on Marlins, the bean counters did not do that, the employees did. It is called pride in workmanship. And if one does not like a job and feels taken advantage of, go get another one somewhere else instead of doing s----y work to get even and whining about their poor lot in life.
 
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3Crows said:
Then I would leave to a right to work state, like Texas. It is still a free country. Sometimes it is best to start over in fresh, fertile soil than plow a rocky and worn out dirt patch.

Sell off whatever, take the CNC coding and IP and haul axx.
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You have missed previous excellent analyses by folks with detailed knowledge of the Ilion facility and industry HES experience explaining the phenomenal costs of vacating or selling that plant, costs that would exceed the price Roundhill paid for Remington firearms by a factor of 20.
 
DocRock said:
You have missed previous excellent analyses by folks with detailed knowledge of the Ilion facility and industry HES experience explaining the phenomenal costs of vacating or selling that plant, costs that would exceed the price Roundhill paid for Remington firearms by a factor of 20.
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I have not missed anything, I stay with what I said. Spending good money after bad is not a solution. That is how it got to the sorry state to begin with. No amount of money will fix people who do not want to work with a good attitude and the market is as it is, very tough and very competitive, something has to give to make a profit and a good product down the road.
 
3Crows said:
I have not missed anything, I stay with what I said.
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Then you are a silly person. Stop being silly.

The issue, which you clearly did miss, is the enormous state and federal environmental related costs of vacating or selling Ilion. It is not something that Roundhill has any control over. Ilion was part of the sale. Leaving Ilion would cost, as I explained, and you ignored, something like 20 times what they paid for Remington firearms. We get that you hate unions. It has been noted.
 
3Crows said:
Then I would leave to a right to work state, like Texas. It is still a free country. Sometimes it is best to start over in fresh, fertile soil than plow a rocky and worn out dirt patch.

Sell off whatever, take the CNC coding and IP and haul axx. And there is no such thing as an ironclad contract. That is what lawyers are for, to figure out a way out. No way to start fresh hauling the baggage of a bunch of disgruntled and entitled people. Those Remingtons everyone has been bashing on for years now were built by those people. The holes drilled through the receivers on 700s, the crappy wood fit on Marlins, the bean counters did not do that, the employees did. It is called pride in workmanship. And if one does not like a job and feels taken advantage of, go get another one somewhere else instead of doing s----y work to get even and whining about their poor lot in life.
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My understanding is that the existing machinery is there and is unable to be moved due to its size. To reopen Huntsville and order new versions might take years to get that equipment, not to mention coming up with a way to pay for it all. I wouldn't be surprised at all is these folks are on a prepay basis for raw materials, at least in the beginning.
 
I think the big issue 3crows is missing is it’s New York! They just sued the screws out of the NRA and chased them to Texas. If they could then nail a major gun company on union contract breach and environmental stuff it’d be a leftists lawyers wet dream.

NY DEC is about the worst when it comes to “Environmental Clean Up.” I cant imagine the amount of chemicals dumped out back of the plant o so many years ago. I’d be 100’s of millions to clean that up to today’s environmental standards
 
Fishingted said:
As a union worker all my life they are better off to stay with the union people who have the experiance to build a gun right.
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Guess you haven't seen the lousy quality coming out of there before the BK then. Being union means nothing as regards to quality; it only means that those who can't do the job right get to keep their jobs; whether you're talking a machinist at Remington or a public school teacher
 
I wish them luck but I'd rather Gov. Kemp extend his hand and bring another gun manufacturer to southern Georgia.
 
We could use one here n N. FL; you guys got Taurus from us and Colt reneged on their deal
 
The obsession with unions by some in every Remington and Colt thread is tiresome. Management is to blame for Remington and Colt's failure. Management decided to use a crappy bead blast finish that rusts, decided to keep using tooling after it was worn out, crippled the company with massive bond debt, and designed junk like the RP9 and R51.

George P said:
Guess you haven't seen the lousy quality coming out of there before the BK then. Being union means nothing as regards to quality; it only means that those who can't do the job right get to keep their jobs; whether you're talking a machinist at Remington or a public school teacher
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