Remington 700

[ColtPythonElite]

I know a gunsmith with 50 years of experience. He blames those unintentional discharges on improperly adjusted triggers and/or lack of maintenance.

 

[Lloyd Smale]

heheh do you work for remington or something?

no I dont. Im a retired electrical lineman. I do tire of this crap though. Anyone that isnt totaly dumb or blind knows that this whole deal was nothing but the antis trying to bash remington. Who the hell do you think payed for all the lawyers that went after remington. It was just another attack on gun manufactures and cost remington alot of money and no doubt caused remington to have to raise there prices and just like the car industry when one raises prices they all do. the antis want to make every gun seem like some dangerous thing that only a nut case would buy. About 75 percent of the posts ive seen on the internet from guys claiming to have problems were either guns that were tampered with or guys that have brand loyalty. Guys who swear by winchesters or savages and just want to bash remingtons. I find most of those are savage guys that feel they have to justify the fact that they dont want to pay more for a remington. The other 25 percent are just bald face liers who want to look like there some kind of gun expert on the internet and dont think that what there doing is actually hurting all gun owners. Ive owned quite a few 700s and have put as many rounds down range as probably anyone in the country short of a sniper with them and theres guys here that no me and no theres no bs in that statement or any other i post. if there was a problem id about bet i would have ran accross it at least once. Bottom line if there was actual shootings they were caused by improper gun handling and idiots that want to play gunsmith that dont know there !!! from there face. Do i care what he does with his gun. Not in the least unless he uses it to give anti gun people reason to come after my guns! No i dont work for remington and yes i own other guns. I have bolt guns from about every manufacture and think they all make a good product and all have there plusses and minuses. If i ran accross a gun that was dangerous no matter what the brand it would be back to the manufactures tommarow. I drive a chev but dont feel i need to badmouth a ford or dodge to make myself look like someone that is so smart hed only drive the best. One things for certain. If your a gun owner and believe in our constitution this is surely no matter to chuckle about.

 

[jmr40]

So you keep a defective dangerous gun??

My gun is no more defective or dangerous than any other Remington made since the 1940's. Just because yours hasn't done it YET does not mean it is any safer. Your guns are just as likely to do this tomorrow as mine is.

The real problem is the un necessary trigger connector that Remington used to use in all of their bolt rifles, (except the 788 series). It makes for a much more complex trigger that is highly suspctable to dirt and debris. Remington claims their triggers won't do this if clean. Probably so, but what they don't tell you is how little it takes to foul their triggers. If something as small as a single flake of unburned powder finds its way into the trigger connector, it will pull the trigger for you. When you move the safety, the gun fires. When the debris falls out, the problem goes away. It is impossible to keep a Remington trigger clean enough to guarantee this won't happen. The more I research this the more I'm convinced this is what happened to my gun. The same can happen to any other Remington.

Try reading and doing a little research and learn. Here is a bulletin for gunsmiths to help them understand the Remington trigger and connector.

http://www.rifflawfirm.com/areas/pdf/remington4.pdf

Trying to blame a TV network for attempting to destroy a gun company is just plain silly. This problem has been well known and documented for decades. Remingtons own people discovered the problem and suggested a trigger change before the 1st rifle ever left the factory. Management decided not to make the change because of cost over runs. That is easily documented.

In the last 60 years an estimated 10,000 incidents have been reported to Remington. They have been sued 75 times for guns doing this. I have no doubts that some, maybe many of these incidents are caused by improperly adjusted or maintaned guns, but I know for a fact many are not.

Find just one incident where someone has a rifle made by any other manufacturer were the gun discharged for an unexplained reason. Find me one person who has sued any other gun manufacturer claiming this happened to them.

 

[Lloyd Smale]

youve obviously got the answers so ill bow to your superior gun knowlege and say goodby to this post

 

[mljdeckard]

Just imagine, all those Army, Navy, and Marine snipers running around with defective rifles for DECADES!!

I always start with a 700 unless there is a clear reason to use something else. I currently have two, and I have no plans to get rid of them. I plan on getting Timney triggers, but only because I want better triggers.

 

[Hangingrock]

I’ve owned Remington 700 series rifles chambered in 30-06, 338Win-Mag, 416Rem, and a 40X chambered in 7.62mm-Nato. I’ve never had a problem with the OEM trigger system. The rifles aren’t safe queens and have been used extensively.

 

[Old Shooter]

I've owned several 700's and to date none of mine has exhibited this sort of failure. However...when I do anything with this weapon it is always pointed either at the sky or at the ground, just a habit I have fallen into over the past 60 years of handling firearms.

It may be a good idea to change out the trigger assembly to a timney but I personally wouldn't do it unless I just desired the timney trigger features in place of the factory set up.

I don't doubt that this has happened in the past but I won't let it scare the frog legs off me now.

 

[351 WINCHESTER]

For all you die hard loyal Remington fans, please explain the trigger recall by Remington on their 600 and 660 models with the exact same trigger.

 

[Lloyd Smale]

Reason is the old trigger can be made dangerous by a hack gunsmith and its cheaper for rem to replace them and get them out of the hands of idiots then to pay law suits out to idiots who screw them up. Law suit kind of reminds me of the law suit Freedom Arms had to pay out on. They got took to court by a gun that shot himself in the leg quick drawing his gun. Idiots get rewarded by or sad ass court system.

 

[Gtimothy]

I have 2 in my safe right now and have never had a single problem with them.
I too assume all guns are loaded and am VERY muzzel aware!

My first reaction to the story was - another CNBC attack on gun manufacturers. I have seen several stories on the "safety issue" but most of the problems couldn't be duplicated on the gun under investigation. I place most of the blame on the user for either not following the "4 rules" or for doing home gunsmithing on the trigger. Anyone with a small allen wrench can adjust the trigger and if he doesn't know what he's doing, can make the gun unsafe!

 

[Lloyd Smale]

Gtimothy your absolutely right. I guess some people just need IDIOT proof guns. Its why we have key locks on smith handguns and crossbolt safetys on 94 winchesters and why ruger feels they need to stamp on a barrel that you need to read the operators manual.