Remington Phoenix Wish List

[Legionnaire]

So assume for a moment that a new Remington rises from the ashes of the old, this time directed by savvy management committed to serving the market with quality products. What would you like to see them do?

I would like to see the 700 and Seven lines continued with a few tweaks. For starters, add a side bolt release and outsource the triggers to TriggerTech. Then update the barrels with twist rates appropriate to modern heavy-for-caliber bullets.

In fact, if a company was investing in up-to-date manufacturing techniques, it would be pretty cool if one could order a semi-custom rifle factory direct: pick your action, trigger, cartridge, barrel length, profile, and twist, stock ... etc. Sure it would cost a bit more, but we should be there by now.

What about you? One can always hope ...

 

[JeeperCreeper]

I liked where they were heading with the pistol and braced 700's.

I would love a lightweight hunting pistol that could fit in a backpack. Right now, that's dominated by ARs, but a 5 pound scoped bolt pistol shouldn't be too hard to do

 

[Mr. Zorg]

Since the ammunition stuff is being purchased by Vista Outdoors my primary wish list item is for Remington 1.5 small pistol primers to be beefed up to the same pressure tolerance as CCI #500 and Federal #100 small pistol primers.

Similarly I'd like to see Remington 6.5 small rifle primers beefed up to have the same pressure tolerance as Federal #205 small rifle primers for consistency but doubt this will happen as some people have reported problems with CCI #400 small rifle primers and AFAIK those still haven't been beefed up in the 20+ years of CCI and Federal being owned by the same company. It would be great if both Remington 6.5 small rifle primers and CCI #400 small rifle primers were beefed up to the same pressure tolerance as Federal 100 small rifle primers as some synergy effort of all three brands having common ownership.

The only Remington firearm I own is a shotgun I purchased preowned 27 years ago so I don't have any input on changes to current or recent production Remington firearms.

 

[rodregier]

The CCI #400 (small)is intended for lower pressure rifle cartridges.

The CCI #450 (small) is the recommended product for the higher pressure rifle cartridges (.223 Rem for example)

 

[SweaterBones]

I would just like them to continue to make the 700 and 870. They are staples of the firearm world that I would hate to see disappear.

 

[Cannibul]

In fact, if a company was investing in up-to-date manufacturing techniques, it would be pretty cool if one could order a semi-custom rifle factory direct: pick your action, trigger, cartridge, barrel length, profile, and twist, stock ... etc. Sure it would cost a bit more, but we should be there by now.

What about you? One can always hope ...

That's not a semi-custom rifle. That's a full on custom and there are many shops that offer that.

 

[Mr. Zorg]

The CCI #400 (small)is intended for lower pressure rifle cartridges.

The CCI #450 (small) is the recommended product for the higher pressure rifle cartridges (.223 Rem for example)

Much like the Remington 6.5 & 7.5 SRP's.

The Remington 5.5 SPP is for "High Intensity" cartridges including 40S&W which has the same SAAMI max average pressure spec as 9X19mm so it's not all about pressure at Remington.

Remington 1.5 SPP
Special Note:

• These primers are NOT recommended for loading high pressure loads such as 357 Mag, 357 Sig or 40 S&W. Please consult a Reputable Loading Manual for loading data.

Remington 6.5 SRP
Warning:

• Remington does not recommend this primer for use in the 17 Remington, 222 Remington, 223 Remington, 204 Ruger, 17 Remington Fireball. Use the 7-1/2 Small Rifle Bench Rest primer in these cartridges.
• This 6-1/2 Small Rifle primer is primarily designed for use in the 22 Hornet.

My"wish list" items are to do away with these self-imposed limitations. Remington 5.5 SPP aren't Magnum primers (40S&W isn't a magnum cartridge) and Remington 7.5 SRP similarly aren't Magnum Primers (223 Remington isn't a Magnum cartridge).

So I'd like to see things done differently by the new owner Vista Outdoors but doubt that will happen based on CCI 400 SRP'S self imposed limitations vs Federal 205 SRP's considering CCI & Federal have had the same owner for 19+ years thus far.

CCI #450 is designated as a Magnum primer, and 223 Remington still isn't designated as a Magnum cartridge.

 

[NIGHTLORD40K]

Let Remington die.

They stopped producing unique, high-quality firearms in 1945. Everything since then has been "bleh" at best (and dangerous at worst) and doesnt perform any better than their competitors offerings in the same catagories.

 

[WestKentucky]

Bring back silhouette pistols. There are plenty folks into handgun hunting now and that would be a top of the line gun in both power and accuracy.

And bring back the 700 based muzzleloader.

swappable barrels I know is too much to ask, but it could be done.

 

[Spats McGee]

Moderator Action: I've done some thread cleanup. This thread is about Remington. Stop the bickering over who mentioned the wrong brand.

 

[edwardware]

And bring back swappable barrels I know is too much to ask, but it could be done.

Wait, what? They are swappable!
. . . once you get the barrel nut loose the first time.

 

[Legionnaire]

I'd like to see another run of 541Ts, but with better magazines than the original plastic. A modern polymer would be okay, but steel would be even better. The plastic magazines made an otherwise classy gun seem cheap.

 

[HB]

An 870 Express that doesn’t rust if you look at it wrong

 

[WestKentucky]

An 870 Express that doesn’t rust if you look at it wrong

AND that ejects spent shells without having to polish the chamber.

 

[Frulk]

20 gauge 11/87 with a straight English stock glossed finish like the old Wing Masters with the same style checkering. Deep blued. 24 inch barrel. Screw in chokes.

 

[Howland937]

They stopped producing unique, high-quality firearms in 1945. Everything since then has been "bleh" at best

I have to disagree. For quite a while, Browning was the only "American" gun company building a semi-auto worthy of comparing to the 1100's.

Always wished they'd make an 1100 Classic. Same satin finished walnut as the 700 Classic, nice deep bluing. I'd even take the gold inlaid engraving but silver would be better. Silver trigger and silver bead sight. Make mine a Light 20...and a 28,12, 16, 410

 

[NIGHTLORD40K]

I have to disagree. For quite a while, Browning was the only "American" gun company building a semi-auto worthy of comparing to the 1100's.

Always wished they'd make an 1100 Classic. Same satin finished walnut as the 700 Classic, nice deep bluing. I'd even take the gold inlaid engraving but silver would be better. Silver trigger and silver bead sight. Make mine a Light 20...and a 28,12, 16, 410

Well, ya, but Browning never BUILT much of anything, they are FNs, Mirokus, Sigs, etc.....

That said, the last Remingtons that interested me were John Browning and John Petersen designs. Now, Im not saying they should ONLY rehash classic Remington designs, though a few of those would be nice, but to get any of my money in the future, they would have to come up with something new and original rather than just more boring 700 derivatives.

Just my 2cents. If other folks still need and want more 700s and 870s more power to ya.

 

[Howland937]

Well, ya, but Browning never BUILT much of anything, they are FNs, Mirokus, Sigs, etc....

Very true. That's why I put quotations around "American" though, and attempted to specify company. I was mostly just saying that nothing Winchester, Mossberg, Savage/Stevens, etc in the way of semi-auto shotguns was on par with the 1100's. The old Wingmaster's were pretty good too, but everybody made a serviceable pump shotgun.

but to get any of my money in the future, they would have to come up with something new and original rather than just more boring 700 derivatives.

Even if they brought back that ugly a... I mean wonderful basket weave checkering stuff they put on a lot of BDL's back in the day?
I'm not interested in much of anything Remington's made recently, but my line in the sand isn't as far back as yours

 

[Legionnaire]

This is a "wish for" thread. Okay to draw the line anywhere you want. The question is, if a new Remington actually listened to the market and committed to quality, what would you like to see them do?

 

[NIGHTLORD40K]

This is a "wish for" thread. Okay to draw the line anywhere you want. The question is, if a new Remington actually listened to the market and committed to quality, what would you like to see them do?

Well, how about a new version of their old pump .22s to start with. Aside from Henry (ugly) and maybe Rossi (Winchester copy), I dont think anyone currently offers one. They could even chamber it in a few centerfire pistol calibers like 9mm and .45? That would be cool.

Gimme a 9mm, 16-18" barrel, 10-15 round tube magazine, and keep it under $500 and Im in.

 

[troy fairweather]

I'd at least like to see the 700 updated, and if the would bring the model 8 and 141 back.

 

[DairyVet]

I’d like to see some quality control for starters. If they can figure that out then I’d really like to see a gen3 R51 without so many corners cut on fit/finish. Heck, go one step further into dreamworld and make it a .45!

 

[NIGHTLORD40K]

I’d like to see some quality control for starters. If they can figure that out then I’d really like to see a gen3 R51 without so many corners cut on fit/finish. Heck, go one step further into dreamworld and make it a .45!

Here ya go-

If they keep it under a grand, Id burn rubber to get one. Steel frame please, no rubber ball springs either.

 

[Detritus]

My wish may be impossible but.
There HAVE to be reasonable production tech changes that they can make to allow the 700 to be made well and at a price that is actually SANE! every model higher than the SPS series has a blatant case of "hood ornament syndrome" in that the rise in price is higher than you'd pay for the stock or other upgrade(s)

Actually what I think is that the only way the new owners can save the brand long term, is if they close the Illion plant, maybe make it a museum, then move production to a new plant, with modern production tools/techniques, and a lower cost workforce than NY state. otherwise production costs Vs. what the average customer is willing to pay is going to drive Remington out of the bolt action market (the 783 isn't gonna save 'em)

 

[Steve Milbocker]

I was pretty fond of the 760. That was a pretty good shooting rifle even if it was a pump action.