Remington Undergoes Major Consolidation, Move

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That's not surprising. The political climate in NY is so absolutely hostile to guns and gun manufacturers that I still wonder why the manufacturers have taken this long to start moving out of NY and similar hostile states.

Ohh, and I fixed the title for you. :)
 
Whelp, glad I didn't send in my R51 for any reason, and I guess we'll expect another round of teething issues for all the products being moved (R11). Shame, but it's the only way some of the people will keep their jobs.

TCB
 
This is good news for Huntsville. Time will tell if it is a good move for Remington. Hopefully it goes smoother than the Marlin transition. Big green has had some serious quality control issues on multiple product lines, I hope the move will help with that rather than making it worse.
 
This will actually make Remington/Freedom Group quite a bit more marketable for sale from Cerberus, so I fully believe it to be a good thing. Remington's been far bigger than it deserved to be for quite some time, now.

TCB
 
This will actually make Remington/Freedom Group quite a bit more marketable for sale from Cerberus
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I think you are a bit behind on events.

It is important to note that, as we reported last December, the Freedom Group is no more. It is now called the Remington Outdoor Company (henceforth referred to as Remington).
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Oh noes! We've been blaming the wrong company over in the R51 thread! :evil:

TCB
 
What happened to Freedom Group? Did it just change names or did Remington buy all gun realated assets from Cerberus Capital Management?

Evidently I'm a little behind on events:)
 
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[EDIT] Ah, much better :D

You blew it up you maniacs! (Too lazy/irate to shop in a roll mark...). On a positive note: total karmic retribution for Para job on the R51 :). On a negative note: don't bother waiting up for their special AAC suppressor and threaded barrel :(

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On another message board it was claimed that the "vintage" machinery used to produce the Marlins were moved, but the machinists who could nurse it along to produce in-spec parts were left behind. Apparently the current mgmt were not made aware of the challenges embedded in the vintage machinery. Unclear if that was an oversight on the part of the seller or the buyer.

That supposedly resulted in out-of-spec Marlins being mfgr at the new location :-(
 
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yzguy87 said:
What happened to Freedom Group? Did it just change names or did Remington buy all gun realated assets from Cerberus Capital Management?

Evidently I'm a little behind on events:)
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Name change. In Dec, 2013, Freedom Group changed its name to Remington Outdoors Company (ROC) and the consolidation will bring all of the separate brands that formerly operated as separate companies under a single corporate management structure. It is kind of like when K-Mart bought Sears and became Sears Holdings Company.

The Wiki article is scarce on detail and needs to be updated. The CNN article appears to just be behind events as it is reporting on a year old issue regarding Freedom Group.
 
rodregier said:
On another message board it was claimed that the "vintage" machinery used to produce the Marlins were moved, but the machinists who could nurse it along to produce in-spec parts were left behind. Apparently the current mgmt were not made aware of the challenges embedded in the vintage machinery. Unclear if that was an oversight on the part of the seller or the buyer.

That supposedly resulted in out-of-spec Marlins being mfgr at the new location :-(
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Probably an oversight on the buyer's part.

More precisely a failure of comprehension and imagination, i.e. not understanding the inter-related complexities of the manufacturing process.

Most definitely an inability to comprehend the importance of human capital and human nature.
 
or just Remington deceiving the people they sold the company to... :rolleyes:

"Yeah, mill's solid; only ever used to face billet on Sundays" :D

TCB
 
Hey barn, is that picture supposed to show Remington with its head in the proverbial sand?
 
Remington had already owned Marlin for many years when they closed the factory and moved production of the lever actions to another Remington plant. The old, inefficient equipment was one of the reasons they closed the Marlin plant. Continuing to use obsolete equipment because some old time employees know how to keep it going is not a wise long term strategy. That's one of the reasons why Colt stopped making double action revolvers. Eventually all the old machines died and they didn't want to spend the money to modernize the production.
 
"Hey barn, is that picture supposed to show Remington with its head in the proverbial sand?"
I photo-shopped the R51 over the Statue of Liberty in the infamous Planet of the Apes "climax" scene wherein Heston very nearly ruins an otherwise excellent movie with his superlative hamming ("You maniacs! You blew it up! Damn you all to Helllllllllllllllllll!")

A cautionary tale to those who wish Remington too much ill will (you will miss them if they go under ;))

MAKster,
It would seem that somehow the (relatively) new Para facilities in SC making the R51 suffer from the same 'equipment issues' as Marlin. Go figure :confused:

TCB
 
It would seem that somehow the (relatively) new Para facilities in SC making the R51 suffer from the same 'equipment issues' as Marlin. Go figure
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Having worked in more than one "consolidation" situation, and observed first hand what it can do to the moral of employees who know their jobs are ending, I think it more likely the issues were human, not mechanical.

IMO, ROC wanted Para to get the R51 out the door before they shut down the plant for the move. And Para employees, knowing it was their last job could not care less about how it was done.
 
So they're closing 6 plants which have a total of 2.1 million square feet and moving to 1 plant that totals 500,000 square feet. What will they do import triggers from China, Purchase more stocks from Bell & Carlson, make barrels on the same machines?

We'll see what the future does sounds like it will be different.

Shoot straight

Bob
 
After the R51 screw up to me they just don't matter any more . The other two remmys I still have are 50 and 37 years old and have not made any thing for in years and don't service them now. I own nothing else under else under the Remington outdoor /freedom group banner so they just don't matter to me anymore . As an American company there the pits.
 
Considering they're trimming that much fat, and the gun market is still red hot, I think the future looks profitable :cool:

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