Rifle behind every blade of grass

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saturno V,Many of the things you seem to support,I am adamantly opposed to. It runs much deeper than just personal opinion. It goes to the core of moral principles. If you won't post that type of "stuff" I won't respond. Deal?
 
If you allow the Christian nuts to control your life today because you think they share your beliefs, there are two problems, jimmyraythompson:

1. Not everyone who calls himself "Christian" would agree with your morality. Those who seek to wield earthly power over others, with guns and handcuffs, to impose their particular doctrines by force, are certainly not Christians. Don't be fooled.

2. If you allow one wing of one religion to control you today, it will be extremely easy for another wing of that religion, one you might not like much, to control you tomorrow, using the infrastructure you supported when it was "your guys" in power. It will be almost as easy for an entirely different religion to do the same thing, the day after that, again using that same infrastructure. If one allows this country to be restructured so as to be controlled by Christian fundamentalists today, it can be much more easily controlled by Muslim fundamentalists tomorrow.

Check out the book cited in my sig. It's eye-opening.
 
Not sure if Yamamoto said that exact thing or not. He did however, advise against attacking the US. He was educated here and spent several years here. He traveled all across the US, making a cross country trip by train from coast to coast. He saw wheat fields the size of Japan, coal mines the size of Japan, iron mines the size of Japan, huge tracts of industry making steel and cars, timber, oil fields (back then)...all the things that Japan had none of. He knew on day 1 that the US could not be defeated by Japan. He was loyal to the Emperor and his sworn duty and died trying, all the while knowing that defeat was inevitable.

He understood the character of Americans who to the untrained eye seemed lazy and undisciplined speak easy going, jazz listening, beach combing, movie watching folk. He knew that Americans would fight tooth and nail to preserve those little freedoms if the chips were down. He knew the ferocity with which the Blue and the Gray fought. He knew what he needed to know about America to know he couldn't win...but he could not convince the Imperial High Command.

I would not doubt that Yamamoto said that because that is how he felt.
 
ArmedBear

Yep..


It would be totalitarianism....the oldest trick of the book of dictators and madmen....they know the truth, they have the truth, they do it for your own good (history is full of examples, Nazism, Communism, Islamic states, etc...)

Ron Paul is really the only politician I would trust...

The only limit to freedom should be when that freedom limit someone else freedom or imperil somebody else rights...

A good example:

You can drink or get doped as much as you want but you cannot drive a car under the influence because you would risk somebody else life...

With sound money the state would not have funds to waste in useless projects, political favoritism with corrupted corporations, military adventures, etc....because they cannot raise your taxes they take the other route, debauching the currency so the gullible population would not notice.....then people wonder..."Why I need $4.00 for a gallon of milk??"
 
From the Nordyke v. King decision in 2009 where Ronald M. Gould, Circuit Judge said on page 4508/4509...

...We should not be overconfident that oceans on our east and west coasts alone can preserve security. We recently saw in the case of the terrorist attack on Mumbai that terrorists may enter a country covertly by ocean routes, landing in small craft and then assembling to wreak havoc. That we have a lawfully armed populace adds a measure of security for all of us and makes it less likely that a band of terrorists could make headway in an attack on any community before more professional forces arrived...
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Invading the US and controlling its entire land area by force would be nearly impossible.
Controlling a centralized government is more realistic.
Defeating the government and using the existing government structure and police to rule the population is much more realistic.
It would be the same people enforcing new laws, they would just be taking orders from new people after a "truce" was agreed to, and using existing databases and tools within the government to rule and implement policies without concern for things like the Constitution.


I am reminded of France when the Nazis conquered them. Vichy France.
Most of the Nazi rules were enforced not by the Nazis themselves but by the same police who were in power before the Nazis took over.
So it would just be a change in federal law, and new leadership of federal and state LEO.
With violations enforced more severely and curfews imposed to compensate for increased civil unrest.
 
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May we nuts refer to the non Christians as soulless heathens then??
 
HoosierQ said:
Not sure if Yamamoto said that exact thing or not.
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Yamamoto could not have made the statement the OP suggests; he died during WW2, his plane was shot down by a flight of P-38s.
I believe some Japanese officer said it, but I don't recall the name of said officer.
 
He was shot down for sure but the time frame of the statement precluded his death I think.
 
I'm a Christian but I'm not nut...big difference...religious fundamentalism is dangerous no matter the religion...
 
I believe the attribution of this true and eloquent statement to Yamamoto is uncertain at best - as is the more well known attribution of another quote that was probably said (and thought) by many more informed Japanese officers after Dec. 7, 1941: "I fear we have wakened a sleeping giant and filled him with a terrible resolve". The movie "Tora Tora Tora" had Yamamoto uttering this to quiet his ectstatic younger staff officers on board the Nagato after the code phrase "tiger tiger tiger" was relayed from Nagumo's strike force, signifying complete surprise had been achieved in Hawaii.

There is no doubt that Yamamoto spent time in the US (grad school at Harvard, a stint in the attache's office in Washington) and traveled widely. He was especially impressed not just by the oil fields of Texas, but those of next-door Mexico as well. In fact he ended up being "rescued" with some US funds when Mexico let the US Embassy know they had a flat-broke Japanese naval officer (I believe in Monterrey or Veracruz) at a flea-bag hotel who belonged back in DC. A colorful and brilliant character (we won't mention his preposterously ill-designed Midway strike plan).

Also no doubt Yamamoto was dubious about attacking the US, and literally gave the high command 6 months of room following a first-strike on US forces - after which he could promise nothing.

The "blade of grass" quote probably reflected the views of the most worldly Japanese officers. And while (comparatively speaking) true, the shelling of a pier northwest of Santa Barbara by a Japanese submarine on Feb. 26, 1942 led to more than that - coastal artillery was quickly installed in San Diego (Point Loma) and San Pedro, and casements built in the Marin Headlands north of the Golden Gate (guns never got there, as Midway ended any fears of west coast raids). And I spoke with one woman, a teenager at the time, who lived on a ranch near SB and close to Elwood, site of the Jap shelling - country sheriffs came around and handed out shotguns and ammo to those who needed them and told people to black out their windows. The panic in SoCal (the basis, sort of, for the movie "1941") was real.

For history buffs there's a good little exhibit on this bit of histor at Cabrillo Nat. Monument on Point Loma, and when you're driving up 101 north of Santa Barbara you can stop at the Timbers Restaurant, partially constructed of wood from the pier damaged by the Imperial Japanese Navy what seem like a billion years ago .....
 
http://factcheck.org/2009/05/misquoting-yamamoto/

There are many who still dispute the use of this quote.

As far as liberal and conservative go. I prefer to call my self liberal. I am proud of it in fact.

I love guns and feel anyone should be able to purchase one so I am pro-freedom and pro-gun.

I believe that gays should be able to get married and thusly pro-freedom and pro-gay marriage.

I believe that a baby is not a bunch of cells but an actual being outside of the body able of sustaining life on its own, without an umbilical cord, so I am pro freedom and pro-choice.

I believe that everyone has the right to an education and economic class should not be a factor in your ability to go to college as knowledge and education are the great equalizers. So I am pro-equality and pro-education.

I believe that everyone has the right to healthcare irregardless of their economic status and ability to pay for it. Nobody should have to die because they cannot afford surgery or medication. So I am pro-equality, pro-charity, and pro-socialized healthcare.

I think these labels of conservative and liberal are misleading. I am vey fiscally conservative in some areas such as military spending and government contracts while very open to government spending on healthcare and education.
 
I think these labels of conservative and liberal are misleading. I am vey fiscally conservative in some areas such as military spending and government contracts while very open to government spending on healthcare and education.
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+1 Oldskoolfan

Healthcare and education should be probably the only areas where government should help less fortunate people....the government should foster opportunity for everyone.....provide the very basics.

However is not the job of government to keep you in your overpaid home where you lied about your income when you got your mortgage nor is a government responsibility to give you a job or to keep alive inefficient industries (and that includes some of the industrial-military complex apparatus)
 
This thread is like a collection of the best and worst of internet discussion in one condensed place. We have folks adding something on topic and fascinating, such as the links to Thos. Jefferson's letter in the Yale Law School Library and the GunCite collection of quotes. And then we have the inevitable decline into religion and politics and grammatical obfuscation. Methinks the Mod needs a big eraser. :banghead:
 
We have folks adding something on topic and fascinating, such as the links to Thos. Jefferson's letter in the Yale Law School Library and the GunCite collection of quotes. And then we have the inevitable decline into religion and politics and grammatical obfuscation.
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Different people with different beliefs all bound together by our love of firearms. The rifle behind every blade of grass exists and I pity the enemies of our nation should they ever forget it.
 
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