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Not what you'd call a screemin deal, but I have no regrets
Not what you'd call a screemin deal, but I have no regrets
Ripoffs On Online Auctions
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Gaucho Gringo
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XDKingslayer's example is exactlly what I am talking about. But then PT Barnum was right. In the example in my first post the price listed on the gun was more than $100.00 over the MSRP for the same NIB. I guess I will stick to local dealers and local gun shows. Seems like the gun shows have been my best bet lately. Thanks to those who chimed in on the subject. I read everyone's opinion and respect & defend your right to voice it.
Gunsamerica is not an auction site. It is a classified listing. You might want to try gunbroker or auction arms.
I purchased a Saiga 12 ga for $277+20 shipping+20 transfer = $317. This is a good price on a 24" barrel Saiga 12.
Also Purchased a Star 30M 9mm auto for $222 + $10 shipping + tax +transfer = $278.
Both of these purcases were made in the last 6 weeks on Auctionarms. There are deals out there you just have to spend the time and effort looking.
I purchased a Saiga 12 ga for $277+20 shipping+20 transfer = $317. This is a good price on a 24" barrel Saiga 12.
Also Purchased a Star 30M 9mm auto for $222 + $10 shipping + tax +transfer = $278.
Both of these purcases were made in the last 6 weeks on Auctionarms. There are deals out there you just have to spend the time and effort looking.
As with shopping for anything, you have to know what a "good deal" is for that particular item. Additionally, you must know how much you are willing to spend on that item.
Also you have to figure in extra costs such as shipping and handling, taxes fees etc. Sadly, that is just part of the buying process.
And if the total price is not what you want to spend, there are more out there, you just have to keep looking.
Also you have to figure in extra costs such as shipping and handling, taxes fees etc. Sadly, that is just part of the buying process.
And if the total price is not what you want to spend, there are more out there, you just have to keep looking.
U.S.SFC_RET
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Seems to me that online auctions are a great example of what's called fair market value. Owner is not pressed to sell, buyer is not pressed to buy. Here in Md I have seen gunshops that are way overpriced compared to online gun auction sites. If you are going to use the online sites make sure you buy with the three day inspection period.
I will give you an example of an auction that I consider questionable that is going on right now on Gunbroker.
Fella from Texas has three seperate auctions going on for a Browning/FN Model 1900 .32acp pistol.
The pictures on the three seperate ads depict a 1900 laying on two different holsters and one ad offers a pistol without a magazine.
In all three seperate ads the guns look exactly the same, they are the same gun from what I can determine from the pictures.
I get the feeling that this is a deceptive practice in action.
The guy makes sale on three seperate offerings, takes the money and amscrays and keeps the gun too. Caveat Emptor!
Fella from Texas has three seperate auctions going on for a Browning/FN Model 1900 .32acp pistol.
The pictures on the three seperate ads depict a 1900 laying on two different holsters and one ad offers a pistol without a magazine.
In all three seperate ads the guns look exactly the same, they are the same gun from what I can determine from the pictures.
I get the feeling that this is a deceptive practice in action.
The guy makes sale on three seperate offerings, takes the money and amscrays and keeps the gun too. Caveat Emptor!
Critter183
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I have gotten a couple rifles at a fair price one deal of the century at GB.
Here's the deal of the century:
A Bushmaster lower topped with a les Baer 24" SS bull barreled flat top upper with a Leupold 4.5-14X40 VXIII Tactical Mil dot scope, a Harris Bipod, a JP adjustable trigger, a soft carrying case with 50 USGI 30 round mags for $1100.
Here's the deal of the century:
A Bushmaster lower topped with a les Baer 24" SS bull barreled flat top upper with a Leupold 4.5-14X40 VXIII Tactical Mil dot scope, a Harris Bipod, a JP adjustable trigger, a soft carrying case with 50 USGI 30 round mags for $1100.
I've bought about a dozen guns total off gunbroker or auction arms in the last few years.
I am a cheap s.o.b. and will not pay more than I absolutely have to. And yet I bought about a dozen guns off these sites.
I also appreciate being able to do a search on any rare or uncommon piece and typically finding an example for sale on one of the big 3 sites (BG, AA, GA).
The deals are out there, if you are patient.
I am a cheap s.o.b. and will not pay more than I absolutely have to. And yet I bought about a dozen guns off these sites.
I also appreciate being able to do a search on any rare or uncommon piece and typically finding an example for sale on one of the big 3 sites (BG, AA, GA).
The deals are out there, if you are patient.
Right on...if you don't like the price...well...don't buy it! While many of the guns on these sites may be overpriced, there are quite a few that are not. No one says you have to buy anything! Personally I often use them as a guide as to what the "going rate" might be for a particular gun. There'll be some low, some high, but you can get and IDEA of what the market is like. Search closed auctions to see what they actually sold for. I'm talking about guns no longer produced, by the way. I've only bought one gun from any of these, but was quite happy with the whole deal.
What I see often as good deals, are various accessories (you con't have tax and transfer fees on these). I've bought a variety of things from stocks to bayonets, to reloading equipement, to misc. parts, over the past few years, and gotten great deals on most of it. For many its just stuff they wann get rid of, and get a few bucks to finance another purchase.
The definition of deal...
often lies in the eyes of the dealee.
I live in Hawaii, there are six gunshops here (each aiming at a slightly different market share), all of them adequate, none of them huge or all inclusive of the various firearms disciplines. We have a relatively small gun show 2 times a year. Mostly the same people, a lot of non-gun/not even gun related tables.
If you are looking for a specific firearm sometimes the only option is to go to the internet. Ms. Migoi wanted a S&W 3913 after shooting someone else's at the range. That person was not willing to part with hers, none of the gun stores had even had one in recent memory. Didn't find one at the next interation of our gun show. I turned to the internet.
Got the best deal on that particular firearm ever. Especially when you consider my other option would have included the price of an airline ticket to the mainland. Want to think about a really expensive firearm...throw in the price of an airline ticket, hotel room, rental car, gas, and transfer and shipping fees to the price of the firearm.
Got a good deal though... Ms. Migoi got the gun she wanted and showed her appreciation in many quite creative ways.....
Some have suggested that internet deals are often negated by transfer and shipping fees. I wonder if those same folks are counting gas for traveling to various gun shops and shows and the entrance fee to those shows. Or do those things not count?
migoi
often lies in the eyes of the dealee.
I live in Hawaii, there are six gunshops here (each aiming at a slightly different market share), all of them adequate, none of them huge or all inclusive of the various firearms disciplines. We have a relatively small gun show 2 times a year. Mostly the same people, a lot of non-gun/not even gun related tables.
If you are looking for a specific firearm sometimes the only option is to go to the internet. Ms. Migoi wanted a S&W 3913 after shooting someone else's at the range. That person was not willing to part with hers, none of the gun stores had even had one in recent memory. Didn't find one at the next interation of our gun show. I turned to the internet.
Got the best deal on that particular firearm ever. Especially when you consider my other option would have included the price of an airline ticket to the mainland. Want to think about a really expensive firearm...throw in the price of an airline ticket, hotel room, rental car, gas, and transfer and shipping fees to the price of the firearm.
Got a good deal though... Ms. Migoi got the gun she wanted and showed her appreciation in many quite creative ways.....
Some have suggested that internet deals are often negated by transfer and shipping fees. I wonder if those same folks are counting gas for traveling to various gun shops and shows and the entrance fee to those shows. Or do those things not count?
migoi
One thing that must be remembered about auctions. If they can get next to you they will. If someone is willing to pay 100 dollars for a 50 dollar gun, the seller is going to be extremely happy and won't care if he cheated someone.
Part of the problem is people get to one of the auctions and forgets that he has to pay what he bids and just goes nuts. If he gets outbid he has to prove that he can win and the compitition begins. I watched a piece of junk straight razor go for 1200 bucks one night on ebay.
Part of the problem is people get to one of the auctions and forgets that he has to pay what he bids and just goes nuts. If he gets outbid he has to prove that he can win and the compitition begins. I watched a piece of junk straight razor go for 1200 bucks one night on ebay.
45Broomhandle
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I MUSTA MISSED A MEETING...
Commenting to the original post, I consider ALL of my auction buys as "Good Deals," otherwise I WOULDN'T HAVE BID THAT HIGH!!! duhhhh.....
NOW, if you want to talk about "steals," how about a working Liliput 4.25mm semi-auto pistol, nickeled (some flaking) and white plastic grips badly chipped, for UNDER $100 SHIPPED? I spent half that much on a new set of repro white plastic grips for it. TWO rounds of original ammo cost me $60+.
That auction deal was SO good that I could afford those little extras - and I'm still WAY under the estimated value. Couple of different Liliputs went at online auctions immediately thereafter and the cheapest one sold for $750!
My BEST BUYS however, have come from acquaintances I've made at these online gun forums. In the last six months I've bought six guns I had been searching all over H... for, for years! Mossberg Brownie (wrong patent date); unfired, cased, Daisy-Heddon .22 VL; Wamo Powermaster .22rf ss; Sheridan Knocabout ss .22rf; Hartford Single-Shot .22rf; and a Quackenbush .22rf ss "Bicycle Rifle.", SO FAR... 45Broomhandle
Yes, there IS a place for all of God's creatures: right next to the potatoes and gravy.
Commenting to the original post, I consider ALL of my auction buys as "Good Deals," otherwise I WOULDN'T HAVE BID THAT HIGH!!! duhhhh.....
NOW, if you want to talk about "steals," how about a working Liliput 4.25mm semi-auto pistol, nickeled (some flaking) and white plastic grips badly chipped, for UNDER $100 SHIPPED? I spent half that much on a new set of repro white plastic grips for it. TWO rounds of original ammo cost me $60+.
That auction deal was SO good that I could afford those little extras - and I'm still WAY under the estimated value. Couple of different Liliputs went at online auctions immediately thereafter and the cheapest one sold for $750!
My BEST BUYS however, have come from acquaintances I've made at these online gun forums. In the last six months I've bought six guns I had been searching all over H... for, for years! Mossberg Brownie (wrong patent date); unfired, cased, Daisy-Heddon .22 VL; Wamo Powermaster .22rf ss; Sheridan Knocabout ss .22rf; Hartford Single-Shot .22rf; and a Quackenbush .22rf ss "Bicycle Rifle.", SO FAR... 45Broomhandle
Yes, there IS a place for all of God's creatures: right next to the potatoes and gravy.
The guy makes sale on three seperate offerings, takes the money and amscrays and keeps the gun too. Caveat Emptor!
that is not what 'buyer beware!' means. Caveat Emptor applies to when you have the purchased product in hand, and then notice it's failings and shortcomings. At that point, too bad. However, Caveat Emptor does NOT apply to a person who fails to deliver the goods, that is theft.
that is not what 'buyer beware!' means. Caveat Emptor applies to when you have the purchased product in hand, and then notice it's failings and shortcomings. At that point, too bad. However, Caveat Emptor does NOT apply to a person who fails to deliver the goods, that is theft.
cropcirclewalker
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The auction is the last best thing for buying things that are not over priced.
Sellers are always way too proud of their stuff.
Buyers always want the seller to give their stuff away.
The auction is the cure for that.
You pay one increment more than the last guy that wanted it.
The American way.
I bought an old WWI Winchester Military rifle an an auction in Kansas in like 1996. (all matching, non rearsenaled, collectible) I shot it, I stroked it, I loved it.
Time passes.
I get old, I have no sons. My only grandson is the child of a coupla school teachers. What to do?
12 bids later on GBdC, I get 700 more bux than I paid, and the high bidder gets a great piece to shoot, love and stroke.
I yam happy.
He is happy.
11 other guys bitch about the high prices at gun auctions.
What can be bad about that?
Sellers are always way too proud of their stuff.
Buyers always want the seller to give their stuff away.
The auction is the cure for that.
You pay one increment more than the last guy that wanted it.
The American way.
I bought an old WWI Winchester Military rifle an an auction in Kansas in like 1996. (all matching, non rearsenaled, collectible) I shot it, I stroked it, I loved it.
Time passes.
I get old, I have no sons. My only grandson is the child of a coupla school teachers. What to do?
12 bids later on GBdC, I get 700 more bux than I paid, and the high bidder gets a great piece to shoot, love and stroke.
I yam happy.
He is happy.
11 other guys bitch about the high prices at gun auctions.
What can be bad about that?
deadin
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Guess what? If it sold, it's a $275.00 gun. If it didn't, there was no "rip-off". (Just some fool wasting his time listing it. No skin off your teeth.)
MatthewVanitas
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At times, the intense hatred that some board members have towards Capitalism is rather frightening...
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rbernie
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Everyone's a fan of capitalism when they're on the profiting side of it. But heaven forbid that anyone ELSE should turn a profit...
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