RM380 Compared to P-64

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I'd like all who have shot the two above to give their comments on the similarities and differences.

I'm especially interested in the differences in weight (for CCW), and recoil control.
 
The P-64's trigger sucks DA has to be over 30 lbs. And I mean bad. Even worse than the CZ100 which was hard to be worse than.

Never had an RM380 but it has to be better
 
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I've never fired a P-64, but I have fired its cousin the Makarov, and even a Walther PPK. Of course the PPK isn't the same but the Mak and the PPK are blowback guns similar in size and operation to a P64.

I also own a RM380.

What you don't get with the RM380 that you get with those other three guns is the single action/double action trigger and the manual safety lever.

What you do get with the RM380 is a locked breech gun that surprisingly stings the hand less than those blowback guns, even though those blowback guns weigh 50% or so more.

Also, the RM380 is a true pocket gun while those others are really belt holster guns, whether IWB or OWB.

If you want a historically interesting carry gun, the P64 may be it. If you want something lighter, smaller, soft shooting (for its size), and with an easy to pull (but long) trigger with double strike capability, the RM380 may be what you are looking for.
 
I own the RM380, have owned a P64, & still own a P64 trainer (interesting example for training with no firing pin thru the bolt face & an observation port in the barrel chamber).

IMHO the RM380 wins on all counts for modern pocket carry. Felt recoil is lighter than the Ruger LCP or KelTec P3AT & it is only a tiny bit larger & a little heavier; this is due to the metal frame and the slightly wider blackstrap. Weight is about +/-13 oz versus 22oz for the P64.

Recoil on the blowback P64 is just short of hitting my hand with a hammer! LOL!! Maybe not quite that bad, but close. That's one reason why I no longer own that gun.

And trigger pull in the RM380 is in the +/-6 pounds true DAO with restrike capability. The DA trigger on the P64 would range from 15-20 lbs depending on the springs installed; SA pull will be 4-5 pounds. My trainer DA trigger is about 22 lbs - I use if for dry fire practice for that reason.

The P64 is a reliable, older, comm-bloc military & police service pistol. It's neat in its own way, but can't match current production pocket pistols for practicality.
 
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cc-hangfire said:
I own the RM380, have owned a P64, & still own a P64 trainer (interesting example for training with no firing pin thru the bolt face & an observation port in the barrel chamber).

IMHO the RM380 wins on all counts for modern pocket carry. Felt recoil is lighter than the Ruger LCP or KelTec P3AT & it is only a tiny bit larger & a little heavier; this is due to the metal frame and the slightly wider blackstrap. Weight is about +/-13 oz versus 22oz for the P64.

Recoil on the blowback P64 is just short of hitting my hand with a hammer! LOL!! Maybe not quite that bad, but close. That's one reason why I no longer own that gun.

And trigger pull in the RM380 is in the +/-6 pounds true DAO with restrike capability. The DA trigger on the P64 would range from 15-20 lbs depending on the springs installed; SA pull will be 4-5 pounds. My trainer DA trigger is about 22 lbs - I use if for dry fire practice for that reason.

The P64 is a reliable, older, comm-bloc military & police service pistol. It's neat in its own way, but can't match current production pocket pistols for practicality.
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I agree with those above. These two pistols are so different in type, build, and mission that they really cannot be objectively compared to each other.

The RM380 is a pocket gun. The P64 is a collectible that, if carried, probably belongs on a good belt. Ammo selection for the Remington is going to be greater and more diverse, too.

For rudeness to the hand, I'm anxious to put my P64, which I have not yet fired, up against my Kel-Tec PF9. :D
 
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I agree with those above. These two pistols are so different in type, build, and mission that they really cannot be objectively compared to each other.

The RM380 is a pocket gun. The P64 is a collectible that, if carried, probably belongs on a good belt. Ammo selection for the Remington is going to be greater and more diverse, too.

For rudeness to the hand, I'm anxious to put my P64, which I have not yet fired, up against my Kel-Tec PF9. :D
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Get ready for a jolting recoil, with the P64, but mucho power for close up defense. Kind of heavy too. Wolff Springs help with DA, otherwise use as a SA. Also, Hogue Handall Jr. Grip Sleeve helps control and comfort. If you have the option, shoot the two-handed method too. I'm keeping my P-64 (short for Punisher 64), in spite of the negatives.
I'm thinking of getting a RM380 for pocket CCW.
 
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I will have to agree with all of the above comments. I have three P64's and two RM380's. The RM380 is my favorite pocket gun and I have owned a good number of others. The 9x18 round and the guns that use it are also of great interest to me and I currently have over twenty handguns in that caliber. I really wanted to like the P64 but it had such a painful recoil that I quit shooting it. With the Wolff springs and the Polish Iron rubber grip it is much more pleasant to shoot. The P64 has nice rounded features that will not snag on clothing as if it were designed for conceal carry.

Still for pocket carry and even IWB carry the RM380 is far better. Over 400 rounds with various ammo including steel cased and not one issue. Easy slide racking and mild recoil. The trigger pull is long but smooth and it breaks right at the back of the trigger guard. For pocket carry I only use DAO or DA and use some form of holster to cover the trigger.
 
DA trigger on P64 is a beast, but I bet in an emergency, adrenaline will handle that tough pull. The SA is on the other end of the spectrum- maybe 1-2 lbs, if that.

I don't find the recoil to be that bad; certainly not the worst, even in that caliber. That would go to the PA 63, with it's aluminum frame.

I wouldn't sweat the differences in available SD ammo, a lot of tests have indicated that ball is best for .380 and below, especially with a short barrel. JHPs often don't penetrate as far as you want them to.

New with warranty vs surplus- really, that part's a tossup in my opinion. Commie guns are pretty well made to not ever need a warranty, as they work and rarely break. I remember the recent Remington disaster with the R51, and I'm seeing a bunch of complaints now coming out about the S&W Shield... the long and short of it might be, the older gun might be better made.

Get the one that you like, or better yet, get both.
 
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New with warranty vs surplus- really, that part's a tossup in my opinion. Commie guns are pretty well made to not ever need a warranty, as they work and rarely break. I remember the recent Remington disaster with the R51, and I'm seeing a bunch of complaints now coming out about the S&W Shield... the long and short of it might be, the older gun might be better made.
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Yeah, I'm pretty sure the old commie war horse is built to last through many more rounds fired downrange than the RM380. Such is the nature of lightweight pocket guns versus all steel guns that are a bit larger.
 
I've only handled the P64, so I can only comment on the size and weight...which are a stark difference to the RM380. I will say my RM380 is one of my favorite mouse guns. It is also the best for actually shooting a couple hundred rounds in a single training session. As mentioned, it is DAO with a long trigger pull, somewhat similar to a J frame .38. Accuracy was better than expected and it was 100% reliable with several different brands and bullet types I had on hand.

For a pocket gun, it is a no brainer compared to a P64. I did see one test where they ran 1000 rounds in one session with the RM380 without any malfunctions. Pretty impressive for a pocket pistol.

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